Intel B460 and H410 Chipsets Don't Support 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake"

[80-watt Hamster]

Why bother upgrade to Rocket lake? Adds little benefit tbh. PCIE 4.0? So? Bandwidth of PCIe 3.0 doesn't seem to be bottlenecking current GPU's. And besides PCIE 4.0 X4 NVME's speeds, there is little to no real world performance gain.

So why waste the money in it? Alder lake is anyway end of this year or early next anyway.

If on Skylake or later? Probably no reason at all. This is true EVERY generation; upgrades from a recent* platform hardly ever make sense. But maybe someone's coming from 1155 or AM3 (or earlier!), or starting from scratch. IF choosing an Intel platform and buying new, you've got the choice of 400- or 500-series. May as well go 500 if the price is right.

*For a given value of recent, on which YMMV. KBL is probably the newest arch worth upgrading from, IMO, presuming one's looking for higher core count.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

What consistent support? Haven't they always been like this to consumers?

No. Previous generations of chipsets from intel ran like this:

1st gen for a socket: supports first generation of CPUs, gets support for second generation via BIOS update
2ng gen for a socket: supports both the first and second generation of CPU for said socket.

The 2nd generation of chipset for a socket only supporting the FIRST generation of CPUs is a fustercluck.

 

[sepheronx]

If on Skylake or later? Probably no reason at all. This is true EVERY generation; upgrades from a recent* platform hardly ever make sense. But maybe someone's coming from 1155 or AM3 (or earlier!), or starting from scratch. IF choosing an Intel platform and buying new, you've got the choice of 400- or 500-series. May as well go 500 if the price is right.

*For a given value of recent, on which YMMV. KBL is probably the newest arch worth upgrading from, IMO, presuming one's looking for higher core count.

My comment was more aimed at people who already have a b460 Mobo and setup. Even then, if you can pick up b460 and CPUs for cheaper than rocket lake, it's a good option.

Wasn't there some AMD GPU that had a PCIe 4.0 x8 interface only where it made a difference?
Based on the tests here done by @W1zzard over the years, once we hit PCIe 2.0 there hasn't really been any significant gains from the PCIe interface when it comes to game performance.

I believe that was RX 5500

 

[1d10t]

Appealing are the prices, in my country i5 10400f costs 150euro and ryzen 3600 costs 265, never ever will i pay more than 200 for an 6 core cpu

Well if you only factoring CPU cost not total platform cost, everything will look bleak but that's not the whole picture.
Based on Newegg

Intel Core i5-10400F $155
ASRock B460M Steel Legend $135
Total $290

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $200
ASRock B450M Steel Legend $95

Total $295

$5 Premium for upgrade path to 16 core current gen or next gen and also offering faster RAM support. I'd say it's worth it

 

[Cobain]

Well if you only factoring CPU cost not total platform cost, everything will look bleak but that's not the whole picture.
Based on Newegg

Intel Core i5-10400F $155
ASRock B460M Steel Legend $135
Total $290

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $200
ASRock B450M Steel Legend $95

Total $295

$5 Premium for upgrade path to 16 core current gen or next gen and also offering faster RAM support. I'd say it's worth it

135 for a b460m motherboard? Those cost 80€ here and 10400f 140€. 3600 costs 220€ Alone....

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

So Intel pulling an AMD here, what really surprises me is the lack of a new socket.

 

[TheLostSwede]

So Intel pulling an AMD here, what really surprises me is the lack of a new socket.

That's next time...

 

[windwhirl]

Wasn't there some AMD GPU that had a PCIe 4.0 x8 interface only where it made a difference?

The RX 5500 and its XT variant. But the non-XT variant and some XT variants had also cut its memory to 4 GB, so I imagine that was a factor too, since games would not be able to allocate as much content in the GPU, forcing more frequent transfers through the PCIE bus. Some specific games did show quite the improvement just by upping the total VRAM to 8 GB, like Assassin's Creed Odyssey or Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and other games showed improvement only when playing at 1440p or higher (which really isn't the target resolution for those cards).

 

[1d10t]

135 for a b460m motherboard? Those cost 80€ here and 10400f 140€. 3600 costs 220€ Alone....

Might depend on region specific for price discrepancies, but I think its fair in comparison as both offering same level of feature. I agree B460 should cost less than B450, those motherboard has a feature that stood out, one time purchase

 

[billEST]

Well if you only factoring CPU cost not total platform cost, everything will look bleak but that's not the whole picture.
Based on Newegg

Intel Core i5-10400F $155
ASRock B460M Steel Legend $135
Total $290

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $200
ASRock B450M Steel Legend $95

Total $295

$5 Premium for upgrade path to 16 core current gen or next gen and also offering faster RAM support. I'd say it's worth it

you think like 10yo boy

450M :

• l'audio 7.1 CH HD (Realtek ALC892/897 l'audio Codec)
• 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4), 1 M.2 (SATA3)
• 2 USB 3.1 Gen2 (Type A arrière+C)
• 6 USB 3.1 Gen1 (2 en façade, 4 l'arrière)
• Realtek LAN Gigabit

460M

• 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC1200 Audio Codec), Nahimic Audio
• 6 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4 & SATA3), 1 Ultra M.2 (PCIe Gen3 x4)
• 7 USB 3.2 Gen1 (2 Front, 4 Rear, 1 Rear Type-C)
• Dragon 2.5 Gigabit LAN
• ASRock Polychrome SYNC

ask you father to explain the difference and if 30e is very small

put 16core on B450 for fun






its a hard problem : B460 its different chip of h470 , not a 470 light

not made by the same manufacture : there is electric / power difference

 

[Tomorrow]

Uhm, where are all the people with virtual pitchforks now? They sure all came out in force when AMD tried to do something similar with their 400-series chipsets...

You mean the 3 people who actually bought a H or B series Intel motherboard?. Lol.
There is also the mentality of buyers of certain products. If Intel, Nvidia or Apple screws up theres rarely any big backlash. But when AMD, Samsung etc screws up people are more vocal.

Alder Lake is being fast tracked to September ( i still have doubts it will launch until 2022). That would make 500 series shelf life only ~6 months. Alder Lake requires 600 series and will reportedly bring DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 (DDR5 is being tested and Microchip just announced Gen5 retimers for motherboards).

So Rocket Lake is entirely pointless and will quickly be superseded by Alder Lake with superior feature set (even to AMD until Zen 4) and ofcourse performance.

 

[1d10t]

@billEST
Gonna appreciate that effort, made an account just for trolling
- Realtek ALC 892/897 are the same as ALC 1200. Read here
- 4 port vs 6 port SATA, and people mostly use only 2, sooo....
- I don't see any benefit going from USB 3.1 to USB 3.2. Do you have any specific device that take full advantage of USB 3.2 Gen 1?
- Gigabit LAN vs 2.5G LAN. Hmm, let me see, most country had internet bandwidth between 100Mbps and 2.5G managed switch cost around $500. Pointless?

 

[Rowsol]

I dropped 100 dollars on a b460 mobo. Feelsbadman.

 

[billEST]

@billEST
Gonna appreciate that effort, made an account just for trolling
- Realtek ALC 892/897 are the same as ALC 1200. Read here
- 4 port vs 6 port SATA, and people mostly use only 2, sooo....
- I don't see any benefit going from USB 3.1 to USB 3.2. Do you have any specific device that take full advantage of USB 3.2 Gen 1?
- Gigabit LAN vs 2.5G LAN. Hmm, let me see, most country had internet bandwidth between 100Mbps and 2.5G managed switch cost around $500. Pointless?

• DACs with 95dB SNR (A-weighting), ADCs with 90dB SNR (A-weighting) / 892
• 1200 ALC :110

more pci line

you want put 16 core and usb 5gb

each time you use usb / have multiple usb plug in , you divide the bandwitch , have more is better

switch 2.5 / about 120 euro QNAP QSW-1105-5T

nas asustor 10gb 4002T / 200 euro

wifi 6 3000 need 2.5 gb ..


i have 1600 X strix X370 and itx B460 with 10400F : to compare i have send back B550 E strix , amd is mad with they price actualy i will remplace the X370 by B560 / 11XXX perhaps or M1

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You gotta love the irony, totes shit show.

And I been hearing so much about Intel doing this cross compatibility right(sigh), we just need PCH fans on the high end intel boards and we're all set for comedy central.

 

[oldwalltree]

BIOS mods inbound.

 

[Chrispy_]

If at this point, after 25 years of this same shit from Intel, you buy a CPU expecting it to work in an old motherboard, you are as stupid as people say you are.

Sometimes, rarely, in exceptional circumstances, it has made some kind of sort of edge-case sense, but the reality with Intel is that you buy a new board for every CPU and if there is any compatibility you're going to be missing features, performance fixes, or other microcode updates anyway.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

My comment was more aimed at people who already have a b460 Mobo and setup. Even then, if you can pick up b460 and CPUs for cheaper than rocket lake, it's a good option.

Fair enough. It had sounded to me like you were responding to an argument that hadn't been made.

 

[londiste]

Sometimes, rarely, in exceptional circumstances, it has made some kind of sort of edge-case sense, but the reality with Intel is that you buy a new board for every CPU and if there is any compatibility you're going to be missing features, performance fixes, or other microcode updates anyway.

Two CPU generations per platform. At least that has been the case for the last 10 years or so.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

If at this point, after 25 years of this same shit from Intel, you buy a CPU expecting it to work in an old motherboard, you are as stupid as people say you are.

Sometimes, rarely, in exceptional circumstances, it has made some kind of sort of edge-case sense, but the reality with Intel is that you buy a new board for every CPU and if there is any compatibility you're going to be missing features, performance fixes, or other microcode updates anyway.

I get you, but back in the day, when we didn't have jobs or money ,drop in upgrades for your pc were a joy, and with shit shaping up as it is we seem to be heading back there to the day's of saving up, just with jobs n shit now, proper jobs.
I think my point is edge case to you, YYessss to others though not massive amounts of people fair enough.

As for the who drops an i7 or i9 in a shit motherboard argument, a kid three years on just cos, or a kid getting the newer but not balls to the walls one, they will have a 11400 RL at some point ,I'd swap a 10400 for that.

 

[maxforces]

Might depend on region specific for price discrepancies, but I think its fair in comparison as both offering same level of feature. I agree B460 should cost less than B450, those motherboard has a feature that stood out, one time purchase

Not really. The cheapest b460 cost $105, the cheapest b450 cost $60

 

[Mussels]

Intel are well aware that if they can lure budget buyers in with cheaper, locked down hardware they've got them stuck.

The amount of threads i see here, reddit, facebook from budget intel users "how do i upgrade?" and the answer is "well first you buy a Z motherboard.... then a new CPU.... and then new ram.... oh and then a new cooler and a new PSU, and then hooray! your new 1660Ti wont be bottlenecked any more!"

 

[billEST]

Not really. The cheapest b460 cost $105, the cheapest b450 cost $60

b450 are so good , all manufacter do v2 version

with egual spec the price is egal , but now more expensive

 

[B-Real]

Well im still gonna buy b460 and an 10400f, in total will cost me 235 euro in the other hand if i bought an b550 and ryzen 3600 the total would be 355, Ryzen prices are ridiculous at the moment

1. And as the b460 doesn't support memory above 2666 MHz, 3600 will be faster in games beside being an overall better CPU. If you want an apple to apple comparison in terms of performance, you need to buy a Z460 mobo for the 10400F to get the faster memory support.
1. I wonder which country is that: in Germany, 3600 and 10400F is 191 and 148 EUR, respectively. That is a 43 EUR difference. I bet a B550-B460 difference is 77 EUR.
2. Why would you buy a B550 if B450 is cheaper?

 

[Mussels]

You know what, i'm going to start describing it to people like intel has even more socket types than they do.

With the inherent limits to these budget mobos, are they really any more than token compatible with the high end options?

Lets say you have a H410 board,
you can: Install any electrically compatible CPU (10th gen)
Install DDR4 RAM

You cannot:
Run RAM speeds above 2933
Expect full CPU performance beyond base clock (PL1/PL2 targets VRMs)
Upgrade to any new CPUs released later
overclock/tweak things (least important, really)


So lets say you bite the bullet and grab a Z board, all of a sudden your non K chip and sub 3200Mhz ram need to be upgraded anyway to make your performance match what you expect from intel anyway. It's like an entirely different platform, with regards to which components go together.

Meanwhile a B450 with a 5600x behaves the same in gaming as on an x570, except you wont overclock the RAM as high