Intel B460 and H410 Chipsets Don't Support 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake"

[1d10t]

• DACs with 95dB SNR (A-weighting), ADCs with 90dB SNR (A-weighting) / 892
• 1200 ALC :110

SNR is just meaningless number, like PMPO or 1ms GTG. Most onboard sound doesn't had proper I/V buffer and output filter, and the fact manufacture write "A-weighted" in their sheet just further cemented that they never had it. Sound just get louder, but obviously not better.

more pci line

1995 calling you back, PCI lanes?
10400F has 24 lanes PCIe Gen 3.0, meanwhile Ryzen 5 3600 got 24 lanes but Gen 4.0. Now do the math.

you want put 16 core and usb 5gb
each time you use usb / have multiple usb plug in , you divide the bandwitch , have more is better

So if I had Ryzen 9 3950X and I plugged 10 USB they became Ryzen 5 3600. Such an enlightenment, I'll make sure I wouldn't do that.

switch 2.5 / about 120 euro QNAP QSW-1105-5T
nas asustor 10gb 4002T / 200 euro
wifi 6 3000 need 2.5 gb ..

So there's cheaper option for unmanaged 2.5G switch, good luck hooking them with older GBE and FE devices on same network.
Fastest NVMe Gen 4.0 only give 5GBps sequentials, asustor better had that M.2 slot.
Yeah, 50Mbps on WiFi 6 are much faster than 100Mbps 802.11 a/c.

 

[Countryside]

Well if you only factoring CPU cost not total platform cost, everything will look bleak but that's not the whole picture.
Based on Newegg

Intel Core i5-10400F $155
ASRock B460M Steel Legend $135
Total $290

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $200
ASRock B450M Steel Legend $95

Total $295

$5 Premium for upgrade path to 16 core current gen or next gen and also offering faster RAM support. I'd say it's worth it

Are you trolling or what, i specifically wrote in my country and two pc components dont make a total platform. The fact is that with my local pricing and in most EU countries at the moment 10400f is cheaper than 3600

Intel Core i5-10400F $150€
MSI B460m PRO 90€ or ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 135€
Total: 240€

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 250€
ASRock B450 Steel Legend 97€
Total: 347€

107€ Premium.

 

[Tomorrow]

Fastest NVMe Gen 4.0 only give 5GBps sequentials,

Not true. Now the fastest is 7400MB/s read and 6400MB/s write (Adata Gammix S70 2TB using InnoGrit IG5236 controller).

 

[WeeRab]

Why would anyone want to side-grade to Rocket Lake anyway? It's a dead platform from the word go.
Alder Lake will be coming along later in the year. Better to keep your money for a new motherboard that *might*
last for more than one processor.

 

[1d10t]

Are you trolling or what, i specifically wrote in my country and two pc components dont make a total platform. The fact is that with my local pricing and in most EU countries at the moment 10400f is cheaper than 3600

Intel Core i5-10400F $150€
MSI B460m PRO 90€ or ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 135€
Total: 240€

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 250€
ASRock B450 Steel Legend 97€
Total: 347€

107€ Premium.

*Citation needed.

Not true. Now the fastest is 7400MB/s read and 6400MB/s write (Adata Gammix S70 2TB using InnoGrit IG5236 controller).

Please don't take out of context, I was referring to Asustor for having 10GB network but only provide SATA port.

 

[Berfs1]

So I see a lot of angwy people in the comments. Look at the chipset size. It seems that, the H410 and B460 chipsets are actually 23x24mm, while the other 400 series chipsets are 25x24mm. I doubt that is a typo, because that is too much of a coincidence. Also, Z370 for example, has 23x24mm. Soooo, remember how there were rumors of 10th gen being able to work on LGA1151 motherboards? Yeah, the chipset size says something. H410 and B460 are actually the same silicon as 200 and 300 series chipsets (100 series is 23x23). So, here's the fact: 6th-10th gen are all basically Skylake architecture, hence the 0.00000% IPC improvement. Because the socket was essentially the same, you could actually run 9th gen CPUs on a Z170 motherboard even though Intel artificially limited the compatibility between 6th/7th and 300 and vice versa. For 10th gen, Intel decided to stir things up a bit, and actually change the socket to LGA1200, and changed the notches, and well, I thought there was a way to mod the CPUs to work on older motherboards, because we have seen this in the past (LGA775 to LGA771 mods). Yes, 10th gen (Comet Lake) has the same architecture as Skylake. So yes, if someone figured out how to get it to work, you could get a 10900K working on a Z370 if you really wanted. Now to get to the interesting part, all 200 and 300 series chipsets are 23x24mm. H410 and B460 just happen to have the same size, while the other 400 series chipsets are listed as 25x24mm. It just so happens that Intel explicitly states that H410 and B460 will not support 11th gen. There is your reason why. H410 and B460 have the same silicon as 200 and 300 series chipsets, while the other 400 series chipsets have a newer silicon. My guess is that the 23x24mm supports anything "Skylake based", and 25x24mm supports anything "Skylake based" as well as Rocket Lake, not the first time something like this has happened; Z87 only supported Haswell, and Z97 supported Broadwell (technically not the same architecture) and Haswell.

TLDR: The H410 and B460 limit seems to not be an artificial limitation (unlike the LGA1151 fiascos), but a technical limitation.

Edit: I just checked the 500 series chipsets, they are all 25x24mm, just like the 400 series chipsets (aside from H410 and B460).

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Because the socket was essentially the same, you could actually run 9th gen CPUs on a Z170 motherboard

Are you saying it's technically possible due to electrical compatibility and pinout, or that it's actually been done?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Are you saying it's technically possible due to electrical compatibility and pinout, or that it's actually been done?

Not only has it been done, here's a guide to doing it:

[TOOL] Easy automated Mod tool for Coffee Lake bios

since our win-raid already have some thread about run CoffeeLake on 100 and 200 series MB [GUIDE] Coffee Lake CPUs on Skylake and Kaby Lake motherboards Fixing PCI-Express for Coffee Lake CPUs on Sky/Kaby Lake non-Asrock(and some new Asrock) motherboards [GUIDE] Fixing HT for Coffee Lake CPUs...

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There was 0 necessity for 8th/9th gen to be limited to z200 and up other then intel being intel.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Not only has it been done, here's a guide to doing it:

[TOOL] Easy automated Mod tool for Coffee Lake bios

since our win-raid already have some thread about run CoffeeLake on 100 and 200 series MB [GUIDE] Coffee Lake CPUs on Skylake and Kaby Lake motherboards Fixing PCI-Express for Coffee Lake CPUs on Sky/Kaby Lake non-Asrock(and some new Asrock) motherboards [GUIDE] Fixing HT for Coffee Lake CPUs...

www.win-raid.com

There was 0 necessity for 8th/9th gen to be limited to z200 and up other then intel being intel.

Dang. Now I need to decide what to do when the 9700K shows up: Re-sell the 8600K it was going to replace, or mod my Z170 to accept the 8600K and sell the 6600K instead.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Dang. Now I need to decide what to do when the 9700K shows up: Re-sell the 8600K it was going to replace, or mod my Z170 to accept the 8600K and sell the 6600K instead.

I'd sell the 8600k, it'll grab more $$$ then the 6600k would manage. The 6600k isnt a slouch anyways.

 

[Berfs1]

Are you saying it's technically possible due to electrical compatibility and pinout, or that it's actually been done?

Yes to both, assuming you are referring to 9th gen on LGA1151 v1. You can even get the mobile versions on an LGA1151 socket motherboard, like an i9-9980HK on a Z170 if you wanted, and the bonus is, direct die. Funny enough, I have a Maximus 8 Impact (Z170), and it has a removable BIOS chip, which is important because the people shipping the mobile CPUs also provide a custom BIOS, and a swappable BIOS chip is really helpful. So I will be going for an extremely high binned mobile chip, either the 8950HK, 9980HK, or 10980HK (which actually can work through the same adapter). Also, 10th gen mobile chips use BGA1440, which proves Intel did not have a technical reason to make LGA1200, and they really could have just stuck with LGA1151, but alas.

There was 0 necessity for 8th/9th gen to be limited to z200 and up other then intel being intel.

(Side note, 300 series only) If I were to somehow defend Intel, I could argue that yes, the power consumption may have been an issue, because this is the first time that we had a jump of 50% in core count on the same socket. Even LGA2011 v3 didn't have that big of a jump, so the potential power consumption of a 8700K would be about 40-50% higher than a 6700K or 7700K with all things even. So, I still do agree with you that, honestly Intel did not have to restrict it, they could have just supported it on powerful enough Z170/Z270 boards and call it a day. Even good enough H170/H270 boards would be fine, because they can just power throttle the CPU after it hits the safe VRM limit. It's not like OEMs don't do this to their systems lol.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I'd sell the 8600k, it'll grab more $$$ then the 6600k would manage. The 6600k isnt a slouch anyways.

Yeah, that's probs the best plan. Despite having successfully managed a 771 mod, this particular risk/reward ratio is more unfavorable than I'd like.