CD Projekt Red Hack: Red Engine, Multiple Games' Source Code Sold by Hackers

[Octopuss]

I don't understand.
They said they wouldn't negotiate and now the hackers are "prohibited" to make it public by a deal?
So they negotiated with them or not?
And is anyone so stupid to believe the hackers' word they wouldn't publish the data IF <something>?

Someone explain this to me because I honestly don't know what am I reading.

 

[ixi]

time spent developing does not matter, the end product does. Time is by no means any way judge a game.

Dont agree with your opinion. The more time you have the more possibilities you can add and polish them.

 

[AltCapwn]

Working in IT / Security, I wouldn't want to be in CD Projekt red shoes.
At this point, I just hope for them they bought back their own data.

Poor bastards.

Concerning Cyberpunk 2077, their mistake was to give a release date instead of leaving it TBD until ready.
I personally still love the game as I didn't drank all their marketing bullshit and false promises so my expectations weren't high.
But from playing the game you can clearly see that some quests aren't finished, some features are missing, some gameplay systems are broken and unfinished, but damn story wise it's "CD Projekt Red" quality.

But I'm SURE they will fix everything, I just remember how Witcher 3 UI was a nightmare on release, and the missing features could be released as *free* DLC I hope.

Second playthrough as of now, trying to get the secret ending.

 

[ixi]

Working in IT / Security, I wouldn't want to be in CD Projekt red shoes.
At this point, I just hope for them they bought back their own data.

Poor bastards.

Concerning Cyberpunk 2077, their mistake was to give a release date instead of leaving it TBD until ready.
I personally still love the game as I didn't drank all their marketing bullshit and false promises so my expectations weren't high.
But from playing the game you can clearly see that some quests aren't finished, some features are missing, some gameplay systems are broken and unfinished, but damn story wise it's "CD Projekt Red" quality.

But I'm SURE they will fix everything, I just remember how Witcher 3 UI was a nightmare on release, and the missing features could be released as *free* DLC I hope.

Second playthrough as of now, trying to get the secret ending.

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First they need to fix the current game with all the bugs, glitches. And then only to start thinking of dlc...

 

[Meta]

Deckers stealing data from the corpos and selling it to the highest bidder? Peak Cyberpunk.

 

[AusWolf]

"And despite any ill sentiment that can be levied at the company for the state of Cyberpunk 2077's last-gen versions, I'd say that respect for the company's developers and team should have us all on their side on this one."

yeaaahhhhhh no, I dont even care about the last-gen versions, that is so beyond unacceptable its pathetic, all anyone had to do was start the game up 1 afternoon to figure out it was not ready for release but apperently that was too much work, better cash in on those pre-orders and dont release a new trailer that actually represented to lack of content it has, not even a shadow of the promisses.

Imagine though this being some eleborate scheme to create some sympathy by them being the victims and then have modders go ham on teh source code to fix the game for them, ez money for no effort.

CDPR botched the CP77 launch, true, but how can you connect individual opinion of a game to the fact that the source code of some highly successful games were stolen and potentially sold? Even if it was EA (a company whose business practices are hated by almost everyone), I would still side with them. Theft of one's intellectual property is not the answer to anything.

It's like reading the news of a murder and commenting: "well deserved, the victim was a fat bastard anyway". Disgraceful.

 

[Vario]

I could potentially see Chinese region specific games with elements of the stolen code given China's history of IP theft, but otherwise its going to be hard to sell any product based on this code.

 

[AltCapwn]

I could potentially see Chinese region specific games with elements of the stolen code given China's history of IP theft, but otherwise its going to be hard to sell any product based on this code.

ChinesePunk 2077; in a dystopic society ravaged by an opressing government and an ongoing pandemic, our hero falls into criminality as its his only way to survive without any job and revenue.

 

[Palladium]

I could potentially see Chinese region specific games with elements of the stolen code given China's history of IP theft, but otherwise its going to be hard to sell any product based on this code.

As someone at Ars commented, why would they do that when they will have a much easier job developing with Unity and UE4?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Dont agree with your opinion. The more time you have the more possibilities you can add and polish them.

See, now that depends on the publisher and how hard they're pushing the dev to get it done faster. Most Gamers have no clue what developers can go thru, I was a playtester for 7 days to Die for a while, I can tell you first hand that one person can push back development, there are other various problems, like upgrading [developmental] software or migrating to a new engine and like waiting for other developers to finish their outsourced project.

Polish is the last thing devs worry about until closer to final beta and after release. Devs dont stop developing just cuz a game is released, unless you are TellTale Games.

So no time is not a factor as you put it.

 

[Tartaros]

As someone commented before, is there any problem if the code is leaked? They have no mp games so no online aspect to be careful with, and people will have to give up on torrenting those games if the torrents were published from now on, and mods. Apart of that, what else could happen, if someone releases a game with a part of the source code copied they would be liable for a crime no?

 

[ZoneDymo]

CDPR botched the CP77 launch, true, but how can you connect individual opinion of a game to the fact that the source code of some highly successful games were stolen and potentially sold? Even if it was EA (a company whose business practices are hated by almost everyone), I would still side with them. Theft of one's intellectual property is not the answer to anything.

It's like reading the news of a murder and commenting: "well deserved, the victim was a fat bastard anyway". Disgraceful.

uhh this might be a little dark for you but if the "victim" indeed was a idk, child molesting, rapist, etc etc waste of air then I would indeed say "well deserved" if they ended up being murdered.


Source code was stolen sure, but then imo they stole a bunch of money from the people as well launching fake trailers and broken products and not telling anyone the truth beforehand, so yeah, I dont shed a tear for them sorry.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why?

The current incarnation of the CP2077 engine was developed 2 years ago. However, the project as a whole has been in the works for a little over 8 years. So your statement is sort of true in a round-about way.

time spent developing does not matter, the end product does. Time is by no means any way judge a game.

Also true.

Concerning Cyberpunk 2077, their mistake was to give a release date instead of leaving it TBD until ready.

Nope, they did things just right. It was whiny, simpering users that made a mess of it all.

 

[TheUn4seen]

As someone commented before, is there any problem if the code is leaked? They have no mp games so no online aspect to be careful with, and people will have to give up on torrenting those games if the torrents were published from now on, and mods. Apart of that, what else could happen, if someone releases a game with a part of the source code copied they would be liable for a crime no?

No sane company would use stolen code in their products, even China kind of cracks down on such behavior, at least in high profile cases like this. The stolen data wasn't really worth much to anyone other than the owner who would pay for the whole ordeal to just vanish into obscurity and waves of bad PR to end.
That's how these things work. It's no coincidence that the targets are usually big, wealthy companies which fall on rough times and therefore are more inclined to pay for silence. The amount the seller wanted was ridiculous, considering the very limited usefulness of what he was selling, but such auctions usually go in one of two ways - either the owner silently buys back his stuff and gets to keep a brave face, or the seller finishes the auction early saying that "someone bought it" because this community is all about appearances and reputation, and then sells the data in smaller chunks for a more reasonable price. If parts of the data, especially the parts coming from HR and administration such as employee personal information, don't start to surface in smaller "leaks" in a few weeks you can assume the owner silently bought it back.

 

[Athlonite]

I have exactly Zero F's to give CDPR over this they totally deserved to be Cyber Punked

CDPR> <Me the gamer

 

[thesmokingman]

They seem to be run by idiots, not taking this seriously.

 

[Athlonite]

ChinesePunk 2077; in a dystopic society ravaged by an oppressing government and an ongoing pandemic, our hero falls into criminality as its his only way to survive without any job and revenue.

Starring Mao Zedong as Comrade Johnny

 

[AusWolf]

uhh this might be a little dark for you but if the "victim" indeed was a idk, child molesting, rapist, etc etc waste of air then I would indeed say "well deserved" if they ended up being murdered.


Source code was stolen sure, but then imo they stole a bunch of money from the people as well launching fake trailers and broken products and not telling anyone the truth beforehand, so yeah, I dont shed a tear for them sorry.

They never stole money from anyone. People (myself included) paid willingly for a product. Sure, the game did not live up to expectations because of the bugs, but CDPR is constantly working on it still. I pre-ordered the game a couple weeks before launch, and haven't even touched it yet. I'm not saying that everybody should wait half a year before playing a new game. All I'm saying is, you got something for your money. Something that's slowly improving as we speak. You can ask for a refund, or just stop crying. The product in no way has any connection with any criminal activity. Like I said, if this had happened with EA, a company that charges a fortune for DLCs and skin packs, it would still be wrong.

If you order pizza, and it ends up being not very tasty, do you go and rob the pizza place?

 

[Vya Domus]

We know that there was an auction but there's no evidence anyone actually bought it.

Well, there would be a pretty big problem if there was any for whoever bought it, wouldn't it ?

 

[Solaris17]

And is anyone so stupid to believe the hackers' word they wouldn't publish the data IF <something>?

Yes actually. If the group that did the exfiltration is known enough by reputation then compliance is important. It is a business deal after all and trust weirdly does go both ways. If they sold the source for a few million.

Then turned around and tried to hawk it again the public at large would find out and the companies or entities this group is trying to do business with would stop doing business with them.

This happen A LOT in the security industry, but is generally out of scope of this forum so it doesn't surprise me almost 0 members understand this. It happens all the time when massive conglomerates like hospitals or fedex get hit with ransomware.

Its literally within the best interest of the hacking group to be honest.

 

[Midland Dog]

"cdpr caves into demands" would make a better title
external buyer wanted no further bidding
who tf else would it be lmao

 

[Octopuss]

Yes actually. If the group that did the exfiltration is known enough by reputation then compliance is important. It is a business deal after all and trust weirdly does go both ways. If they sold the source for a few million.

Then turned around and tried to hawk it again the public at large would find out and the companies or entities this group is trying to do business with would stop doing business with them.

This happen A LOT in the security industry, but is generally out of scope of this forum so it doesn't surprise me almost 0 members understand this. It happens all the time when massive conglomerates like hospitals or fedex get hit with ransomware.

Its literally within the best interest of the hacking group to be honest.

Who gives a shit about trust or whatever when possibly just a few individuals get so much money out of it they are set for life?

 

[ZoneDymo]

They never stole money from anyone. People (myself included) paid willingly for a product. Sure, the game did not live up to expectations because of the bugs, but CDPR is constantly working on it still. I pre-ordered the game a couple weeks before launch, and haven't even touched it yet. I'm not saying that everybody should wait half a year before playing a new game. All I'm saying is, you got something for your money. Something that's slowly improving as we speak. You can ask for a refund, or just stop crying. The product in no way has any connection with any criminal activity. Like I said, if this had happened with EA, a company that charges a fortune for DLCs and skin packs, it would still be wrong.

If you order pizza, and it ends up being not very tasty, do you go and rob the pizza place?

Its hard to quantify but im sure you can atleast throw this under "false advertisement" hence the lawsuits against them, again the old trailer did not represent the game because the game was barely made at all and then they had to scramble to match that bullcrap trailer that tried to and did sell us on the game.
Why were you interested in this game? because of what they claimed what was in it due to that trailer and again, the end product is not even a remote shadow of that trailer, its a complete lie and they never released a new trailer or statement beforehand to warn anyone if the complete lack of anything the game they were buying actually was.

The bugs and glitches is actually not the issues, its the complete lack of content.

 

[AusWolf]

Its hard to quantify but im sure you can atleast throw this under "false advertisement" hence the lawsuits against them, again the old trailer did not represent the game because the game was barely made at all and then they had to scramble to match that bullcrap trailer that tried to and did sell us on the game.
Why were you interested in this game? because of what they claimed what was in it due to that trailer and again, the end product is not even a remote shadow of that trailer, its a complete lie and they never released a new trailer or statement beforehand to warn anyone if the complete lack of anything the game they were buying actually was.

The bugs and glitches is actually not the issues, its the complete lack of content.

I don't know... I didn't expect any sort of content based on the trailers (I never do anyway) other than a great story and customizability. What I did expect from CDPR based on their previous games is a lively environment where I can get lost for hours - sort of like The Witcher 3's cities. Based on the gameplay videos I've seen and on what some friends told me, it's all there, just kind of ruined by the bugs.

Anyway, the guys at CDPR are working on ironing out the bugs and adding more content, so I'm going to give it some time. I've got lots of other games to play in the meantime. If some people are too impatient to do the same, I completely understand, but that's what asking for a refund is for. Stealing source code and selling it on the internet is just too extreme regardless of whether CDPR deserved it or not.

 

[Bzuco]

If you order pizza, and it ends up being not very tasty, do you go and rob the pizza place?

I see this on every forum. People are trying to find example from real life to describe what cdpr management committed against customers. And people always failed. So I will correct your example to make more sense, even it is still not suitable example.
It should be something like this: "If you order pizza, and it ends up being not very tasty, it is not the right size,..., and after a while you will find out that this happend not only to you, but also 8 milion people, and even after few days/weeks there is no sign of correction and immediate refunds is not guaranted, and the owner of the pizzeria had no noble reason to keep the facts secret ...yes, then bad things start.
Again, your pizza story is bad example, but you know where I am pointing.