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[lexluthermiester]

ok, I always thought the 5690 was the only chip ion the family that could be overclocked, as I'v seen youtubers do it with the evga sr2 mobo, but i may be wrong. When I made thoes changes, nothing happened, but my pc wasn't under load. Would it need to be in order to see results?

Not sure where you've seen that, but it seems that none of the X5600 series of Xeons was unlocked. Only the W3680 & W3690.

 

[Susquehannock]

Not sure where you've seen that, but it seems that none of the X5600 series of Xeons was unlocked. Only the W3680 & W3690.

Yeah. And even if it were the lack of voltage control in the Dell Tx500 BIOS is a limiting factor. Wish my x5690 was unlocked. Still a very good CPU.

 

[lexluthermiester]

eah. And even if it were the lack of voltage control in the Dell Tx500 BIOS is a limiting factor.

Actually with the W3680 and ThrottleStop, OCing is very viable as you can alter the power limits. It's not direct voltage control, but it still works well. I'm currently at 4.2ghz stable in a T3500.

 

[FIROGR]

Hi!

I currently have T3500, W3680 @ 4.0GHz, 24GB ram. I have started to think about power consumption what it have compared to Ryze 3600 system. Ryzen have power consumption under full load arround 130-140W and idle arroun 60W. I dont have power meter so do you have any idea how much this consumes power?

If there is large difference on idle power I think that I sould move on from x58 because electric bill are pretty expensive in my country. Price is arround 0,4€/kWh and I spend arround 4-10h on computer daily. I have to do calculations when I know powerconsumption of T3500 to define is there point to buy new cpu + mobo + ram combo for 400€

 

[frankr2994]

There's more than just the cpu in play. How many things are going on with you pc. There's always some loss through the power supply and old big hard drives especially if they are fast enterprise drives can suck some juice. Graphics cards are another factor. If you could deal with less all around you could probably save power buy building a new system.

 

[leopardtag]

Hello everyone. I'm counting on your advice about the T5500. Currently I have a dual E5620 cpu, 32MB of ram, 3 SSD and recently made an GPU upgrade and installed an R9 290x 8Gb. The installation went well but everytime I try to run a game the PC just rebooted. I've tried to change to an R9 290 4Gb but no avail, the problem persists. I've used Heaven, OCCT and even Furmark but everytime I start the tests, the PC reboots. The Even Viewer informs that a Kernel power related event occured. The AMD drivers are OK.
I'm thinking that the PSU maybe is not good enough for the GPU card but it's an 825w Dell Plus Silver PSU that is supposed to handle the upgrade! Can anyone give me an insight about this problem?

Thank you very much.

 

[imrazor]

GPU power delivery on the T5500 is limited to 150w. Even with a software power limit of 135w I found that a Vega 56 would peak too high and flatline the system. I had to drop in an HD 7950 to prevent power related crashes. Also as PSUs age their ability to deliver quality power erodes.

IIRC the r9 290 is an extreme power hog. I’d recommend something more efficient, or you can try redirecting SATA power. I’ve heard that the T5500’s PSU can be replaced with an 1100w unit from a T7500, or even standard ATX. Never tried it myself though.

 

[leopardtag]

GPU power delivery on the T5500 is limited to 150w. Even with a software power limit of 135w I found that a Vega 56 would peak too high and flatline the system. I had to drop in an HD 7950 to prevent power related crashes. Also as PSUs age their ability to deliver quality power erodes.

IIRC the r9 290 is an extreme power hog. I’d recommend something more efficient, or you can try redirecting SATA power. I’ve heard that the T5500’s PSU can be replaced with an 1100w unit from a T7500, or even standard ATX. Never tried it myself though.

So I should just upgrade the PSU to something like an Corsair CV650W? I can drop the second CPU and try to get a better one... Any ideas? Maybe a X5675 for example?

 

[imrazor]

So I should just upgrade the PSU to something like an Corsair CV650W? I can drop the second CPU and try to get a better one... Any ideas? Maybe a X5675 for example?

Yes a standard ATX PSU probably will not have a power connector for the 2nd CPU. More expensive ones may however. And you may need extensions for those long runs to the bottom of the case. Please do verify with another source though that it will take an ATX PSU; that’s just what I’ve heard.

As far as the CPU...well that depends on your intended use and budget. For gaming I’d recommend something like the quad core X5687 which can hit 3.8 GHz turbo. Otherwise the X5675 or X5680 are good choices.

 

[crazydrve`]

HI everyone,

Yesterday my machine started running the fans at high speed, I rebooted the T5500 and I get the following...

CPU2 fan failure

I have reset the cmos, etc. but its only good when I take out the cpu riser.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thank you
Bill

 

[imrazor]

Is the fan actually working? If not, replace it. If it is working, it might be a bad sensor.

 

[crazydrve`]

Is the fan actually working? If not, replace it. If it is working, it might be a bad sensor.

@imrazor

Thanks for responding, yes the fan is working but that's a good idea to replace it.

 

[Wadadli]

Been lurking for some time, so time for a first post...............

My T3600 Specs:
E5-1660
4x8GB DDR3 ECC RAM
NVIDIA RTX 2080
2 HDD in RAID + 1 SSD
WiFi PCIe card
635W PSU


-Temperatures are all below spec and max out at 83C and in some cases it doesn't even exceed 80C.
-Used HWINFO to log all the sensors and checked if anything was out of the ordinary. Nothing stood out.

Very similar to my system, except for the RTX2080. Got a Powercolor RX580 Red Devil (overclocked). I've had no issues at all, even with a power draw of 235-240W when stress testing, That's 10-15W over the theoretical maximum of the 2*6pin(75W) cables from the 635W PSU. I saw a discussion some 20 pages back regarding converting a 6pin to 8pin and although I would generally urge caution, in this case it works fine as the exceedance is in practise rare. Maybe also a testament to (older?) Dell PSUs reputation of delivering rated power and beyond.

Talking of PSUs and 12v rails check interviews with JohnnyGuru on YouTube and maybe this article Single Rail vs Multi-Rail Power Supplies (PSU) | PCPARTGUIDE. The short of it is with better protections now available, a 'good' PSU is fine with one high Amp 12v rail whereas previously it was spread over several rails so that a single failure of a rail would not mean a complete PSU failure.

Just my 5cents worth:

Your Tcase is 64°C. Check more info here: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...60-15m-cache-3-30-ghz-0-0-gt-s-intel-qpi.html

Did you do a:

• clean-up of the dust on coolers?
• vacuum/blow air on all fans & coolers?
• rework the thermal paste between CPU & cooler? (might be old & not working, with your (83°C on CPU)
• check which cooler you have? Maybe you don't have a proper cooler for 130W CPU.

I would say it's your CPU, who is faulty.
Here's a list of possible alternatives, which might work on your T3600 system: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...622,64583,64595,64597,64602,64593,64591,64620
Check the text for A18 BIOS to confirm that.
& no, you don't need fastest lower core count for CPU - you're not running CAD programs like CATIA. All games support multi-CPU architecture, so no problem with having more cores.

2nd guess is the RAM, which can be checked with MEMtest bootable program.
3rd guess would be the PSU (but don't think it is).

With regards to the temperatures, they're completely fine and indeed in line with mine. Of course a good clean of the CPU cooler and fan never hurts

With regards to the Tcase of 64ºC that's correct, but only half of it. The T3600 also uses the more advanced Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) based thermal specification for acoustic and fan speed optimizations up to a maximum. This is 83.4℃ for the E5-1660. In essence this is max Tcontrol. There is then a further buffer of 6℃ to Tjmax beyond which throttling (TCC) kicks in at 91℃.

Hope this helps. Links for bedtime reading below:

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1600/E5-2600/E5-4600 Product Families Datasheet - Volume One
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1600/2600/4600 v1 and v2 Product Families Thermal/Mechanical Design Guide

@imrazor

Thanks for responding, yes the fan is working but that's a good idea to replace it.

I was about to suggest swapping the fans between the CPU risers, but that may not be an option having had a quick look in the manual

 

[crazydrve`]

Machine is working now for some reason? I wonder if that means the cpu riser is going bad?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Machine is working now for some reason? I wonder if that means the cpu riser is going bad?

What changed that now allows things to work properly?

 

[crazydrve`]

What changed that now allows things to work properly?

Not really sure, I had it out running on 1 cpu for a day. When I put it back in its quiet again.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not really sure, I had it out running on 1 cpu for a day. When I put it back in its quiet again.

Perhaps it was just a slightly loose connector. It happens from time to time in even the most high quality components.

 

[leopardtag]

Yes a standard ATX PSU probably will not have a power connector for the 2nd CPU. More expensive ones may however. And you may need extensions for those long runs to the bottom of the case. Please do verify with another source though that it will take an ATX PSU; that’s just what I’ve heard.

As far as the CPU...well that depends on your intended use and budget. For gaming I’d recommend something like the quad core X5687 which can hit 3.8 GHz turbo. Otherwise the X5675 or X5680 are good choices.

Corsair PSU Cx650W installed and working fine. No more Thanos reboot!

However I was thinking about that CPU upgrade. The X5675 is a 95W CPU vs the x5675 that is a 130W. Considering that I'm using an R9 290 card I should stick within the 95W cpu or go ahead and try to buy the 130W instead?!

 

[imrazor]

Corsair PSU Cx650W installed and working fine. No more Thanos reboot!

However I was thinking about that CPU upgrade. The X5675 is a 95W CPU vs the x5675 that is a 130W. Considering that I'm using an R9 290 card I should stick within the 95W cpu or go ahead and try to buy the 130W instead?!

So are you running on one CPU or two at the moment? You may have to use a PSU power estimator to be sure your Corsair can deliver enough juice.
And how hard was the PSU upgrade? Been thinking about doing one myself, but it looks like some of the cables run under that wacky motherboard...

 

[leopardtag]

So are you running on one CPU or two at the moment? You may have to use a PSU power estimator to be sure your Corsair can deliver enough juice.
And how hard was the PSU upgrade? Been thinking about doing one myself, but it looks like some of the cables run under that wacky motherboard...

Only one. I had to "drop" the second CPU since the CPU cable wasn't long enough (it can get to the end of the board but not the CPU riser). The PSU, according to various PSU wattage calculators, is more than enough to accommodate the muscled version of the family (x5690) but the prices are way to high (on ebay) comparing to the x5675.
I had to dismount and mount the board just to get those power cables out.

 

[Azhrarn]

My current system.
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NVIDIA Quadro P600 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

My usage will be homelab. Probably as a pure Hypervisor with Wake On Lan Enabled. So that I can wake it up when required.
How long will I keep it, I guess less then a year, but more then 3 months.
So I think I will just use one e5-2697v4 with 128GB RAM. Probably enough. Selling the rest of as keeping it wil just devaluate it's money.

I don't want to run custom AIO Water Cooling no room in this case. In fact not even enough room for a normal CPU Heatsink If you don't get rid of the ODD Drive bay.
Also the Dell T7910 AIO solution is horrible without making a hole in the side panel, as the T7910 ventilated side panel doesn't fit the t7810...
Question : Can you run single CPU in CPU2 location? Probably not...

I was more thinking about something like a Noctua NH-U9S (125mm height clearance required) or if not fit the Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U (110mm height clearance) or do you have a good recommendation?

About the 3 * Chassis Fan : Forcecon DFS923212MD0T : 92x92x32mm 12V 1.5A 4W --> Which fans as searching around doesn't give much.
Also Can I buy new spare parts from Dell somewhere? Might be easier and hope they are more silent?

PS : Removing the Front Assembly Fans is a b*tch in this t7810. What an idea to need to remove the entire motherboard for that!

Just to give you guys a heads up.
My system (Dell T7810) is completely up and running now.

The reason for this extra announce is because I made some modifications to the system.
1. I replaced the fan on the MAIN CPU Heatsink with Noctua NF A9 PWM fan. (Together with Dell 5pin to 4pin fan adapter.)
The plastic has been around the cpu was a bit cut to get the fan in and all is kept tightly together with a few tiestraps.
Works fine and WAY more silent then old fan. (Idle as well under load.)
2. I was unable to install the Noctua NH-U9S on the 2nd cpu location. This is because Dell uses a special kind of CPU Socket. In short the Noctua doesn't fit and contacting them did not help. They just mention it is special and they do not support it. You can replace the socket screws, but this requires disassembling the board a bit. Disassembly of the pc is fine for me, but I don't touch the board. So this was a no go. In the end I bought what everyone does and just got the 2nd CPU/FAN Heatsink from Dell.
3. The PSU fans have both been replaced with new ones found on aliexpress. The system is again way more silent now.
4. The Front Chassis fans have been tested and 2 were replaced for being too noisy.
5. System now has 2 * Intel E5-2697v4 and 256GB RAM (8*32GB). (Cinebench score are about 25% better then an AMD 5950 X)
6. No thermal throttling detected during cinebench R20 (half an hour run). I guess the cooling solution is good enough.
7. The fan noise when idle is barely audible. Even when running under a fractional load (25%) the system is still barely audible.
6. When running at full load the system does becomes noisy (in my opinion), but this doesn't happen very often and I have heard way worse then this workstation.
7. The most noisy is the GPU fan on the PNY Quadro P600. Wanted to fix that, but that seems to be quite tricky. Tried it, but abandonned soon. Too complicated and seems custom stuff...
8. I placed 4 extra Samsung 860 EVO 1TB in the system as well for storage reason. (Mostly VM's)
9. In the future I might install an Asus Hyper M.2 X16 card for extra storage. But so far this is plentiful enough for my labo purposes.

In the end I am quite happy with my build. All my labs (GNS3 as well Cisco Voice) have no performance or RAM issues now. Nor are they killing my ears. Mostly silent.
Just one thing ennoys me. The boot time before I get to Bios screen is about a minute. Which is LONG when you are wiating for it...
I know this is not so long compared to servers. But this is my 3rd workstation. And the first one that takes really long to show BIOS... Is it normal? Can I do something about it?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just to give you guys a heads up.
My system (Dell T7810) is completely up and running now.

The reason for this extra announce is because I made some modifications to the system.
1. I replaced the fan on the MAIN CPU Heatsink with Noctua NF A9 PWM fan. (Together with Dell 5pin to 4pin fan adapter.)
The plastic has been around the cpu was a bit cut to get the fan in and all is kept tightly together with a few tiestraps.
Works fine and WAY more silent then old fan. (Idle as well under load.)
2. I was unable to install the Noctua NH-U9S on the 2nd cpu location. This is because Dell uses a special kind of CPU Socket. In short the Noctua doesn't fit and contacting them did not help. They just mention it is special and they do not support it. You can replace the socket screws, but this requires disassembling the board a bit. Disassembly of the pc is fine for me, but I don't touch the board. So this was a no go. In the end I bought what everyone does and just got the 2nd CPU/FAN Heatsink from Dell.
3. The PSU fans have both been replaced with new ones found on aliexpress. The system is again way more silent now.
4. The Front Chassis fans have been tested and 2 were replaced for being too noisy.
5. System now has 2 * Intel E5-2697v4 and 256GB RAM (8*32GB). (Cinebench score are about 25% better then an AMD 5950 X)
6. No thermal throttling detected during cinebench R20 (half an hour run). I guess the cooling solution is good enough.
7. The fan noise when idle is barely audible. Even when running under a fractional load (25%) the system is still barely audible.
6. When running at full load the system does becomes noisy (in my opinion), but this doesn't happen very often and I have heard way worse then this workstation.
7. The most noisy is the GPU fan on the PNY Quadro P600. Wanted to fix that, but that seems to be quite tricky. Tried it, but abandonned soon. Too complicated and seems custom stuff...
8. I placed 4 extra Samsung 860 EVO 1TB in the system as well for storage reason. (Mostly VM's)
9. In the future I might install an Asus Hyper M.2 X16 card for extra storage. But so far this is plentiful enough for my labo purposes.

In the end I am quite happy with my build. All my labs (GNS3 as well Cisco Voice) have no performance or RAM issues now. Nor are they killing my ears. Mostly silent.
Just one thing ennoys me. The boot time before I get to Bios screen is about a minute. Which is LONG when you are wiating for it...
I know this is not so long compared to servers. But this is my 3rd workstation. And the first one that takes really long to show BIOS... Is it normal? Can I do something about it?

Pictures?

 

[silie96630]

Hello community,

I have a Dell Precision T3500 running Windows 7. I want to format it and install Windows 10. However, I am unsure about what to do with the drivers situation because my PC only supports Windows 7 drivers.

Now the model of computer I have is really popular so on benchmark sites such as "www.userbenchmark.com", almost every T3500 benchmark submitted is running Windows 10 so it must be possible. My question is - how do approach the situation with the drivers?

Furthermore, I have seen much older Dell and HPs run Windows 10 and perform great in games but I know for a fact they don't have officially supported Windows 10 drivers.

My GPU is a GTX 750 ti which has no issues with Win 10 drivers but what about chipset drivers and audio?

Am I correct in saying you can forcefully install Win 7 drivers on Win 10 and have them working fine? Or do you just install GPU drivers and call it a day?

Thank you in advance,

Silie96630

 

[leopardtag]

Have you heard of Driver Booster? Not all people like it but it does find that driver that we somehow could not find. I've have windows 10 installed (even used the windows 7 key that came with the PC) and everything is ok. You should installed all the needed and updated drivers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have a Dell Precision T3500 running Windows 7. I want to format it and install Windows 10. However, I am unsure about what to do with the drivers situation because my PC only supports Windows 7 drivers.

Windows 10 has most of the needed drivers built in. Those that are not built in, the Windows 7 drivers from the Dell support page will work fine in Windows 10. No worries. Install Windows 10 with confidence.

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