Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

70 is understandable but going from reviews and tests from that cpu cooler saying its running a 5900x at 68c top open bench,
wow vs a 5600x i thought i was gonna get those temps or close to 70c in my case at 75F in my house, damn
the stuff flew directly to 81c, like boom directly on my face.
Ive been planning on grabbing the lian li lancool mesh II, i will have options to use aio too ,
like the artic freezer 280 that GN recommends for ryzen cpus or just going air cooling that i always prefer that way.
Since that case has better airflow can improve a little the temps. Ive never like h510 but was a cheap deal i got.

5900X is, in the most simplistic sense, a better 5600X taped to a crappier 5600X all under 1 heatspreader. Low thread count loads always go to the better CCD, and the crappier CCD is always made to clock lower. So the 5600X and 5900X will behave about the same.

The vast majority of these reviewers are used to more conventional CPUs, where the hottest temperatures come from full all-core load. The TPU review lists temperatures running Blender; the 6-core chiplet SKUs sit at about 70C max in those loads under any decent cooler. But when you start playing CPU-bound (or older, stupidly single-threaded and CPU-bound) games that sustain long-term maximum effective clock on a single core, the temp spikes start climbing.

It's a lot more liberal in making use of its temp envelope than Ryzen 3000. 5600X is allowed up to 95C by AMD. As long as you're not pushing more current (via all-core OC or some PBO configs) than the PB algorithm restricts through the core at those temps, longevity won't be an issue.

 

[jjnissanpatfan]

I have Cooler Master - Hyper 212 with 2x 120 fans with the 5600X and have yet to see over 74C...I just did a small aida 64 stress test with gpu load for 5 mins and 72C was the max.

 

[jormungand]

I have Cooler Master - Hyper 212 with 2x 120 fans with the 5600X and have yet to see over 74C...I just did a small aida 64 stress test with gpu load for 5 mins and 72C was the max.

ill test the 212 evo i have on my 7700k tomorrow, but i understand the point @tabascosauz is telling me. Even though im skeptical
You have the same case i have so its something really weird since those 2 cpu coolers are much alike, but do you play Bf or cyberpunk? My card is a big fat brick too

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[tabascosauz]

ill test the 212 evo i have on my 7700k tomorrow, but i understand the point @tabascosauz is telling me. Even though im skeptical
You have the same case i have so its something really weird since those 2 cpu coolers are much alike, but do you play Bf or cyberpunk? My card is a big fat brick too

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Have you run anything all-core like Cinebench R23 or video encoding? Single-thread temp spikes are hard to compare with other people's results, because silicon quality variances mean different ST performance. But all-core temps, at stock settings without PBO, should be comparable, as all-core is generally governed consistently by the PB algorithm.

The U12A is as good as the D15 and superior to the D15S, but the density of Ryzen pretty much equalizes all air coolers, so if you really want to lower those temps you're going to have to pull out all the stops. ie. AIO with Kryonaut or liquid metal

 

[jormungand]

Have you run anything all-core like Cinebench R23 or video encoding? Single-thread temp spikes are hard to compare with other people's results, because silicon quality variances mean different ST performance. But all-core temps, at stock settings without PBO, should be comparable, as all-core is generally governed consistently by the PB algorithm.

The U12A is as good as the D15 and superior to the D15S, but the density of Ryzen pretty much equalizes all air coolers, so if you really want to lower those temps you're going to have to pull out all the stops. ie. AIO with Kryonaut or liquid metal

for real ive never tried any of those, since i only use my pc for gaming and watching anime, youtube... etc never was interested on trying it, suppose ill do it know
in look for numbers.
update running atm

 

[tabascosauz]

for real ive never tried any of those, since i only use my pc for gaming and watching anime, youtube... etc never was interested on trying it, suppose ill do it know
in look for numbers.
update running atm

Might run a little hotter by the end of the 10min default loop in Cinebench.

Didn't you just build the computer? Give the paste a few days to settle in.

Since you come directly from Kaby Lake, for posterity keep in mind the layout of the dies in your CPU when applying paste. The one in the top right (bottom right when installed in the socket) is the one making all the heat:

 

[jormungand]

Might run a little hotter by the end of the 10min default loop in Cinebench.

Didn't you just build the computer? Give the paste a few days to settle in.

Since you come directly from Kaby Lake, for posterity keep in mind the layout of the dies in your CPU when applying paste:

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Done , never passed the 71c for the 10 mins, and yeah i built the pc this morning. I used the same thermal paste that came with the cooler,uhmmm ill take that note

 

[jjnissanpatfan]

ill test the 212 evo i have on my 7700k tomorrow, but i understand the point @tabascosauz is telling me. Even though im skeptical
You have the same case i have so its something really weird since those 2 cpu coolers are much alike, but do you play Bf or cyberpunk? My card is a big fat brick too

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I played and beat the newest Black Ops..and play Warzone every now and then. My power supply fan faces the bottom and I have 2 fans on the CPU heatsink. And for 1 card that thing is beast is there something under it?

 

[jormungand]

I played and beat the newest Black Ops..and play Warzone every now and then. My power supply fan faces the bottom and I have 2 fans on the CPU heatsink. And for 1 card that thing is beast is there something under it?

yeah the bracket to help the sagging. i dont have a push/pull but the difference shouldnt be that big in temps from 1 to 2 fans on those coolers

 

[jjnissanpatfan]

Might help with reapply of paste. Also something I noticed was I had a beefy screwdriver and was surprised at how many turns it took to get the the cpu cooler firmly in there and the process overall. If I had a smaller screwdriver I might of not got the cooler tightened all the way. Before you spend money try the paste and extra fan...and making sure it all tight.

 

[thesmokingman]

Have any of you guys gone to the latest AGESA bios yet? Asus released theirs yesterday iirc and MSI before that.

 

[biffzinker]

Have any of you guys gone to the latest AGESA bios yet?

I flashed the BIOS for my B450 Tomahawk a couple days ago. AGESA V1.2 - latest bios available for download.

Memory Overclocking seems improved for me besides loosening the primary timings.

 

[Mussels]

Have any of you guys gone to the latest AGESA bios yet? Asus released theirs yesterday iirc and MSI before that.

its finally here? installing now then

 

[thesmokingman]

Yea, I just downloaded the bios for my strix-e. I also checked and damn, the Germans already have the modded version out, down'd that one too.

 

[8BitZ80]

its finally here? installing now then

Is that the AGESA 1.2.0.2 or whatever it is? I don't see one yet for my Asus B550-F board. I hear it substantially increases the L3 cache performance.

 

[tabascosauz]

Is that the AGESA 1.2.0.2 or whatever it is? I don't see one yet for my Asus B550-F board. I hear it substantially increases the L3 cache performance.

I don't think 1202 will be out before April, the one with the USB fix. 1201 is the one with the aida L3 fix, and that one seems to be out only on beta BIOS. Rest of the boards are still on 1200. Neither of my B550s have 1201 yet.

I don't care about either of the fixes, but I heard somewhere 1201 reduces short temp spikes on Tctl/Tdie and TCCD. That could be useful.

 

[Mussels]

1.2.0.1 - the .2 comes later with the USB fix

This one has the L3 cache fix which might affect more than just aida so i wanted it
Also checked and GPU-Z doesnt show ReBar working for me just yet, cmon nvidya i wants it

 

[biffzinker]

me just yet, cmon nvidya i wants it

I think your card needs a BIOS update before it’s functional. Only the 3060 has the feature enabled in the BIOS. I may be wrong about that though.

 

[tabascosauz]

1.2.0.1 - the .2 comes later with the USB fix

This one has the L3 cache fix which might affect more than just aida so i wanted it
Also checked and GPU-Z doesnt show ReBar working for me just yet, cmon nvidya i wants it

Something tells me it's just so the numbers look better in AIDA. It's ridiculously synthetic so I'd imagine it's not hard to "tweak" by preventing the cores from sleeping or something, since we already know that high all-core OC gets better L3 in AIDA.

I remember a post a few dozen pages back from @Alyjen

You can ignore this Aida L3 cache reading, it's wrong.
If you enable F-max enhancer in BIOS it'll go back to what it's supposed to be BUT your boost clocks & performance results will dive
If you do all core OC vs PBO it'll also be higher (usually)

I think it's related to how Aida boost cores during these tests or sth, for some motherboards it varies between BIOS versions, for others it doesn't. Like I said you can ignore this, it's not proving anything.

 

[jormungand]

Update:
212 tested with what i got left of thermal grizzly 75-79c,gonna return the Vetroo and try my luck with the Noctua.

 

[jjnissanpatfan]

Well at least you tried! Let us know how it works with the Noctua.

 

[jormungand]

windows updated yesterday before going to bed , todays morning i realized i got no audio , i used the usb signal receptor on both usb ports front of the case and motherboards back.
no luck, reinstalled the drivers and still nothing
uninstalling corsair icue to see if it helps

 

[Mussels]

windows updated yesterday before going to bed , todays morning i realized i got no audio , i used the usb signal receptor on both usb ports front of the case and motherboards back.
no luck, reinstalled the drivers and still nothing
uninstalling corsair icue to see if it helps

oh corsair? when that happens you need to manually update the driver for the dongle in device manager
welcome to iCue, its a buggy mess - try that BS when you have half a dozen corsair items and you never know which ones will vanish or give the red triangle of doom

 

[Alyjen]

oh corsair? when that happens you need to manually update the driver for the dongle in device manager
welcome to iCue, its a buggy mess - try that BS when you have half a dozen corsair items and you never know which ones will vanish or give the red triangle of doom

oh yes, my good old RM850i, whenever I start iCUE (or even older Corsair Link) app I get instant loop of USB disconnected/connected sounds. Funny is that it can stay connected to USB for months without any issues & same data can be pulled by HWiNFO, but apparently Corsair soft really hates Corsair hardware
It's one of the reasons I'll always buy Logitech mouses & keyboards and never ever gonna try Corsair.

 

[Mussels]

I disabled icue starting with windows - every time i manually start it, i get the ding/dong and my USB devices refresh (which causes a system stutter and my OTHER brands RGB lighting freezes for a moment)
Corsair released a new update today with no changelog, so you can see if updating helps