AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT

[Camm]

So just snagged a Reference 6700 XT for roughly MSRP if I translate USD to AUD + Sales Tax, making (for me) the 6700 XT 61.8% the cost of the cheapest 3070 I can find (out of stock), in Australia, and still $50 AUD cheaper than the cheapest 3060 12GB I could find in Australia.

If AMD can keep decent stock of reference cards in circulation, this isn't a bad card.

 

[Chrispy_]

So just snagged a Reference 6700 XT for roughly MSRP if I translate USD to AUD + Sales Tax, making (for me) the 6700 XT 61.8% the cost of the cheapest 3070 I can find (out of stock), in Australia, and still $50 AUD cheaper than the cheapest 3060 12GB I could find in Australia.

If AMD can keep decent stock of reference cards in circulation, this isn't a bad card.

Nice.

MSRP is still FUBAR. It's no 3070 even in raster titles and with subpar RT performance, missing NVENC and missing DLSS it's barely worth the $399 of the 3060Ti, certainly not the near-3070 MSRP they've set.

However, in the current market, getting one for MSRP is essentially "bargain of the year" and I'd take it over a 3060 12GB any day of the week

 

[dirtyferret]

How can you speak on availability when the card isn't even available yet

Well if the card is not available yet, its unavailable right?

If it never becomes available will AMD launch a new line called RX 6700 XT "inaccessible" version or "unattainable" version??

 

[bug]

If it never becomes available will AMD launch a new line called RX 6700 XT "inaccessible" version or "unattainable" version??

Unobtainium edition?

 

[Chomiq]

$480 right?

Wrong!

^ that's near $1000.

 

[Anymal]

Ceseking lists all the cards but all are unbekannt

 

[W1zzard]

Guess my estimates weren't so far off

 

[Shatun_Bear]

I was on AMD's website in a pathetic attempt to buy one of these at 1pm GMT, refreshing like crazy. I estimate the stock sold out in about 5 seconds as I saw the 6700XT pop up and then 'out of stock'.

Crazy state of affairs right now trying to get a graphics card in UK.

Looks like they wanted to push it as far as possible in order to beat 3060 Ti. Still, cards will not be available in EU markets for months, and they'll eventually pop up they will be nowhere near the MSRP.

Not true, you get the standard 5% overclocling headroom on the non-ref models.

 

[evolucion8]

It just seems like RDNA2 is RDNA1 with mediocre DXR support, tweaked for higher clocks. The gamecache seems to have no effect at lower resolutions and only makes a difference at 4K, which is a bit silly because the 6700XT is already at unplayable framerates in several of the tested games at 4K. Who cares if the cache improves performance by 30% when you're still only getting 24.1 fps?

If you look at some of the heavy factory OC 5700XT models with 2150MHz clock speeds they aren't doing a whole lot worse than the ~2450MHz 6700XT reference. I get the impression that a 1900MHz 6700XT would be close enough to a 5700XT that you'd struggle to see the difference in a side-by-side comparison; You'd question whether there was actually an improvement or whether it was just within margin-of-error.

People are arguing that RDNA2 is a huge architectural leap forward, but to me the results sure look like most of the gained performance over the 5700XT is proportional to the clockspeed, meaning that IPC gains are close to zero and power efficiency takes a massive hit from running at those higher clocks.

The most clueless post of the day.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

So just snagged a Reference 6700 XT for roughly MSRP

May I ask, how? Did you order online? Seems pretty impossible to get one here in UK.

 

[Chrispy_]

The most clueless post of the day.

How do you explain a 25% performance increase from a 25% clock increase? I call that "zero IPC gain".
Even at MSRP, it's also 20% more expensive which makes it a pretty solid "meh" IMO.

 

[N3M3515]

I call that "zero IPC gain"

Yeah, it seems this gen, both amd and nvidia just upped dramatically the amount of shaders because the ipc remained the same...

 

[Camm]

May I ask, how? Did you order online? Seems pretty impossible to get one here in UK.

Australian retailers have pretty good bot protection thank god (and I guess a smaller population might mean a slightly higher allocation). That being said, we were sold out after 10 minutes on all sites I saw.

 

[ratirt]

How do you explain a 25% performance increase from a 25% clock increase? I call that "zero IPC gain".
Even at MSRP, it's also 20% more expensive which makes it a pretty solid "meh" IMO.

There's an IPC gain but it does not look impressive. You can blame it on the mem bandwidth.

Honestly, I expected the 6700XT to be a bit better regarding performance. Not saying it is a bad card or performs bad but in comparison to 3070 I thought the 6700XT would stand up better.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

There's an IPC gain but it does not look impressive. You can blame it on the mem bandwidth.
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Honestly, I expected the 6700XT to be a bit better regarding performance. Not saying it is a bad card or performs bad but in comparison to 3070 I thought the 6700XT would stand up better.

This is bizarre, the 6700 XT is meant to compete against the 3060 and 3060 Ti, the 6800 already dumps all over the 3070, which can't be had for less than £800 here. So why are people trying to feign disappointment because this $480 card is slightly slower than one a tier or even two above it?

 

[ratirt]

This is bizarre, the 6700 XT is meant to compete against the 3060 and 3060 Ti, the 6800 already dumps all over the 3070, which can't be had for less than £800 here. So why are people trying to feign disappointment because this $480 card is slightly slower than one a tier or even two above it?

6800 is more expensive than a 3070. I think people were expecting 6700XT to be just as good as 3070 or better. You can't say it is though. If you consider MSRP the 6700Xt is only $20 less. That is not much. If it were $70 less than the 3070 it would have been an awesome card for the money. It's still not a bad card by all means but if it cost $440 for instance it would have been a killer card.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

How do you explain a 25% performance increase from a 25% clock increase? I call that "zero IPC gain".
Even at MSRP, it's also 20% more expensive which makes it a pretty solid "meh" IMO.

There's an IPC gain but it does not look impressive. You can blame it on the mem bandwidth.
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Honestly, I expected the 6700XT to be a bit better regarding performance. Not saying it is a bad card or performs bad but in comparison to 3070 I thought the 6700XT would stand up better.

6800 is more expensive than a 3070. I think people were expecting 6700XT to be just as good as 3070 or better. You can't say it is though. If you consider MSRP the 6700Xt is only $20 less. That is not much. If it were $70 less than the 3070 it would have been an awesome card for the money. It's still not a bad card by all means but if it cost $440 for instance it would have been a killer card.

Well That's not right at all, because you didn't account for added hardware for raytracing. Which still means it had to have an increase in IPC. It's now doing more work than what RDNA1 did, when raytracing is in use,

You can decrease ipc and still have a performance increase. If you don't believe it, look back a long time ago at AMD's original phenom vs Phenom II. The phenom II is slight slower pre-clock than the original phenom series. Yet it doesn't matter because Phenom II can clock far higher than what the original phenom could. Now granted that had a node shrink to get it. RDNA1 vs RDNA 2 doesn't still an improvement.

I was looking oh HWbot and the average 5700 XT overclock on air isn't even near the 6700 XT normal clock. Neither is it's liquid nitrogen cooled overclock.

 

[Anymal]

They sacrificed several billions of transistors in 6700xt to push clocks higher, considerably higher than in 5700xt, same count of CU though. 6800 an 6900 are bigger chips and therefor on par with top Geforces this round.

 

[1d10t]

5s for bank verification and that's all it takes to sold out. Sigh, I almost got it for MSRP price. Later that day everyone posted 6700 XT ad for $1000. Easy money.

 

[Caring1]

snip everyone posted 6700 XT ad for $1000. Easy money.

Only easy money if idiots buy them at that price.

 

[Chrispy_]

This is bizarre, the 6700 XT is meant to compete against the 3060 and 3060 Ti, the 6800 already dumps all over the 3070, which can't be had for less than £800 here. So why are people trying to feign disappointment because this $480 card is slightly slower than one a tier or even two above it?

Double standards there: You call this a $480 card and say that the 3070 is over £800.
Well, so is the 6700XT. £825-999 based on this morning's quick ebay hunt.

All MSRPs are out of whack right now, but if the 3060Ti is supposed to be $399 and the 6700XT is supposed to be $479, then the 3060Ti pisses all over it with similar raster performance, better raw raytracing performance, usable raytracing at realistic resolutions with DLSS, and a bunch of other features that AMD doesn't even have.

I'm disappointed that the 32CU card isn't much of a step forward over the old 32CU card in either efficiency or value. The raytracing that is part of the blame for the die-size and cost hikes is too bad to use, being no better than the mid-range chip of 2018 (TU-106) and too slow to actually run any RTX games at reasonable resolutions/framerates. DLSS was the crutch that weaker Turing chips could skirt the issue with. AMD's weak 1st-Gen raytracing doesn't even have that.

It's not even a well made card for $480. Steve's teardown of the reference 6700 slams it for being poorly-designed and cheap. He was complimentary of the build quality and design of the 5700XT, for comparison. This one has a pointless backplate with no heatpads. Only a flat alu. plate for the GDDR6, and no transfer from the baseplate to the heatsink for VRMs or inductors. The partner models at $550 are WORTH the extra cost, because the reference cooler is underwhelming, to put it kindly:

"Not terrible but otherwise very lazy and AMD should have tried harder."
"Pretty disappointing for just the amount of money - it's completely absurd how little of that money went into the video card itself"

 

[bug]

Only easy money if idiots buy them at that price.

And we all know idiots are in short supply, right?

 

[Chrispy_]

There's an IPC gain but it does not look impressive. You can blame it on the mem bandwidth.
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Honestly, I expected the 6700XT to be a bit better regarding performance. Not saying it is a bad card or performs bad but in comparison to 3070 I thought the 6700XT would stand up better.

Oof, 6% IPC on average. That is weak. No wonder AMD themselves haven't been bragging about the IPC improvements of RDNA2!

The 6700XT would make a good card with $100 lopped off the MSRP (in this fictitious future where cards are available at MSRP of course!) - at $379 it would be somewhere close enough to undercut the $399 3060Ti but at a slight discount to account for the higher power consumption, lower raytracing, and missing features like DLSS and NVENC.

Right now, cards are valued on ETH hashrate and not much else so I guess it's worth whatever the miners will pay for it.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Oof, 6% IPC on average. That is weak. No wonder AMD themselves haven't been bragging about the IPC improvements of RDNA2!

The 6700XT would make a good card with $100 lopped off the MSRP (in this fictitious future where cards are available at MSRP of course!) - at $379 it would be somewhere close enough to undercut the $399 3060Ti but at a slight discount to account for the higher power consumption, lower raytracing, and missing features like DLSS and NVENC.

Right now, cards are valued on ETH hashrate and not much else so I guess it's worth whatever the miners will pay for it.

Well that IPC is about right they said some where around 7% being, 1% below that is fine. GPU IPC is a lot different from cpu 1% can aggregate more performance than what a cpu gets from 1%. Since there are far more general cores added. At that price this card would be amazing,

 

[N3M3515]

at $379 it would be somewhere close enough to undercut the $399 3060Ti

Not in a million years would amd or nvidia for that matter price a higher performing gpu below a lower one, specially now that amd is back in the flagship competition. $430 would be a more real guess.
That said, nvidia does have more features, the problem with those is that they only apply for 2% of the games?(and that's not taking in to account that amd is working on a dlss alternative). When more rtx games become available, these gpus won't cut it even with dlss, and by that time, the next gen gpus will be out and will be way more capable in that regard.

So there is no need to give that much importance to features that a gpu won't be able to use in all its splendor.