PC will reboot sometimes when gaming

[ChristTheGreat]

yea thats the case with those side vents that restrict air flow. TBH, you need a better case that will handle a couple more fans. It might be pretty but its not practical in this instance.

thats not really enough for a 5800X, it starts out at 105w (idle) so check the TDP specs for the cooler to make sure its enough for the 5800X when its overclocking itself.

EDIT: one thing you can test without a hassle, take the tempered glass panel off and point a desktop fan at the CPU and see if temps are better.

Spoiler: Side Fan

haha the big fan! I can plug an portative AC directly to the CPU, this will be the best HAHA


The NH-U14S has a special edition for a threadripper, and I saw alot of people running a U12S on a 5900X. I thought maybe switching to a Artic Freezer II 240mm, but I always worried about AIO :/

For the case, well, it might restrict vs the meshify, and all I can say, when I remvoe the tempered glass, and look at the air flow at max speed, it is very powerful. But I guess it could be an upgrade someday. A less compact case (but I love Fractal case)


I'll try again without to compare, but I remember I did this a few weeks ago, and didn't saw a very big difference (maybe a few degree, but it was with less powerful fan, with less static pressure and airflow)

 

[jboydgolfer]

No event in windows, it just say the PC reboot/shutdown, no error.

it sounds like power supply over voltage protection triggering.
i just fixed this with my PC. i had to buy a PSU with more wattage.
the reboot is no different than a momentary power outage, because the PSU cuts power to save itself.

 

[Colddecked]

yea thats the case with those side vents that restrict air flow. TBH, you need a better case that will handle a couple more fans. It might be pretty but its not practical in this instance.

thats not really enough for a 5800X, it starts out at 105w (idle) so check the TDP specs for the cooler to make sure its enough for the 5800X when its overclocking itself.

EDIT: one thing you can test without a hassle, take the tempered glass panel off and point a desktop fan at the CPU and see if temps are better.

U14 is more than enough for a 5800... come on now... how can something idle at 105w?!

 

[ChristTheGreat]

Update : I got not only reboot but I got freeze. All stock at default. So now I am trying to force the cpu to run at 4ghz, with 1.25v.

When running 4ghz, and playing a game, I tested using a p3 kill-a-watt, and running wprime on 6 thread, to simulate my streamlabs OBS, power draw was around 350w (I play 1080P and lock fps to 120 and yess, this 6800xt is overkill for this, but I will keep it for a long time!)

Timespy - 450w

I've reset the bios, set again to 4ghz (but I am loosing quite alot of performance). I'm starting to think that :
A. The motherboard bios has an issue (using the lastest with agesa 1.2.0.0)
B. The CPU is not stable at the default spec
C. Even if I don't think so, the Power supply
D. The Answer D

I'll look at the curve and see what I can do with this

 

[Hardcore Games]

I do not like PSUs < 650W simply as more headroom has benefits

Check for a BIOS update for the motherboard

 

[sneekypeet]

Checks specs, sees LPX.

Do me a favor. Reset CMOS, leave ram to run SPD... for now.

See how it plays. Screw "performance" while testing. The way you are all over the place does not help to eliminate possibilities.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

Yes, already did a reset to CMOS and ram was set to original setting @ 3200mhz. Bios is the lastest. Memtest done, 6 pass, no crash (did this yesterday)

just ran stress test, PBO with 0mhz possible maximum, it runs 4.2ghz on all core with 1.2v (voltage is set to auto...), and i had a WHEA, processor core, after like 15 mins.

I testest 4ghz 1.25v for stability, and it never crashed. I'll do again a clear cmos, leave all bone bone stock and see

 

[milewski1015]

Yes, already did a reset to CMOS and ram was set to original setting @ 3200mhz.

3200 is not stock.

Memtest done, 6 pass, no crash (did this yesterday)

It's generally recommended to run at least 8 passes of memtest. It may not have crashed, but was it returning memory errors? Any errors at all are signs of instability.

 

[64K]

I have had this happen on one of my rigs. It was the PSU. It was a quality Corsair unit with plenty of power but it just became faulty for some reason. Swapped it out and problem went away.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

3200 is not stock.

It's generally recommended to run at least 8 passes of memtest. It may not have crashed, but was it returning memory errors? Any errors at all are signs of instability.

DDR4-3200 is still the officially supported memory for Ryzen 5000, from the spec, up to 3200

well I can run again memtest for 8 pass, but there was no errors. Serriously, this 57800x is the worst processor I'm dealing with . I never had any issue with any of other ryzen 3k,2k,1k

so back to reset cmos again I'll leave all auto and test again

 

[milewski1015]

DDR4-3200 is still the officially supported memory for Ryzen 5000, from the spec, up to 3200

Right, but when @sneekypeet mentioned let it run at SPD, that means leaving the frequency as is after the CMOS reset (2400 or 2666 or whatever it is).

well I can run again memtest for 8 pass, but there was no errors.

If it didn't throw any errors then I don't see any reason to run it over again.

Serriously, this 57800x is the worst processor I'm dealing with .

I'll happily trade you my 2600 for it if you'd rather be rid of it and all the woes it's causing you! In all seriousness, I'm wondering if AGESA and BIOS updates and whatnot could be a factor. While AMD did walk back on their initial exclusion of the 400-series chipsets from 5000-series support, I believe the BIOS updates that enabled 5000-series support were claimed to be "beta" BIOSes. Given that people on 500-series chipsets were having issues for quite awhile, I'm wondering if Zen 3 support on 400-series chipsets isn't the best

 

[John Naylor]

1. Did you change MoBos or BIOS when you swapped CPUs ? I always upgrade BIOS and uninstall chipset drivers before swapping CPUs. On 1st boot after swap, restore all BIOS settings to defaults (Reset CMOS) and set up w/ no OCs.

2. As others have said, open event viewer and examine for Errors and warnings ... do a web search on each one and correct accordingly.

3. Also, sane with GFX cards ... a) uninstall drivers, b) shut down and remove card, c) boot to windows, run registry utility such as Ccleaner, check 1 - 3 boxes on left panel at a time. remove any remaining references to your GFX card d) reboot and install new drivers.

4. You can't RMA the PSU unless you have identified an issue.... but you can get them on the phone for troubleshooting ... it's a necessary step generally before getting an RMA authorization. But I wouldn't look at hardware causes just yet.

5. You can have a 24 hours stable P965 OC and still fail under ROG Real Bench, a multitasking benchmark / stability test that uses modern instruction sets and is much safter with max temps 7-19C below P95

6. As for PSU size, get yourself a kiliowatt meter to see what it draws while stress testing. PSU size depends on your needs and those are user defined.

a) user 1 may want a PSU that provides adequate power w/o blowing anything up
b) user 2 may want to stay below a certain % load as voltage stability is a significant concern for overclocking and many PSUs will have lesser voltage stability belowr a certain % load.
c) user 3 may want to run close to 50% load which means best efficiency, lowest heat generations and lowest fan noise.

Amazon.com : kill-a-watt

7. Only after getting everything back at default settings, if you are still having issues, would it be time to think about hardware causes.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

lets's do a recap of what test has been done:

I have a kill-a-watt, tested, and under Time spy, 450w, so if you add the CPU with more, it's like a 80w max more, so let's say peak 550w, and I have a 750w. While gaming, my GPU doesn't gothat high, cause I limit FPS.

before swapping CPU, upgrade bios to 5809

1. Clear CMOS
2. CPU to default, ram to 3200 DOCP --> crashed --> Prime95 L1/L2/L3
3. RAM DOCP 3200, CPU core ratio set to 40, voltage 1.25v, CPU is stable --> Prime95 L1/L2/L3
4. Memtest 6 pass no error @ 3200mhz
5. upgrade to 5837 for AGESA 1.2.0.0
6. CPU to default, ram to 3200 DOCP --> crashed --> Prime95 L1/L2/L3
7. RAM DOCP 3200, CPU core ratio set to 40, voltage 1.25v, CPU is stable --> Prime95 L1/L2/L3
8. now testing Default + ram at 2133mhz


if #8 passes, there might be an issue with the Memory controller on the CPU? as 4ghz and ram 4200 works ?

 

[dirtyferret]

it sounds like power supply over voltage protection triggering.
i just fixed this with my PC. i had to buy a PSU with more wattage.

obviously without proper testing you can't be certain but my first "guess" would be what golfer said above. Some of these smaller OEMs that everybody goes crazy over because of their amazing review scores don't actually test their PSU as well as some of the larger OEMs (mainly due to lack of facility and cheap brands that don't want to pay for outside testing). Getting a PSU with more wattage is obviously a fix but not an actual resolution to the issue. I don't think some of the OEMs ever expected these new Nvidia and AMD cards to spike so quickly on the juice.

 

[sneekypeet]

8. now testing Default + ram at 2133mhz


if #8 passes, there might be an issue with the Memory controller on the CPU? as 4ghz and ram 4200 works ?

thank you for finally getting to the right settings.

My point is that JDEC/SPD settings "should" work on anything, at any time. LPX and AMD have not got along recently, to the point that only official LPX for Ryzen has to have a "Z" in the part number.

I was assuming, that under loads, that ram is shitting the bed due to an odd secondary or tertiary timing. Could be SOC, but ID need to know what is set, and what it shows under load in windows. 3200MHz shouldn't need more than 1.0V SOC, but if the board is underpowering that line, you may need to compensate.

I also agree it could be power related, but it could be something beyond your walls as well. local brownouts/spikes in usage, then the wall outlet, then PSU or backup/line conditioner.

 

[thesmokingman]

2x 16gb Corsair LPX 3200mhz CAS 16

All else equal this could be the culprit too.

if #8 passes, there might be an issue with the Memory controller on the CPU? as 4ghz and ram 4200 works ?

No it's your choice of ram. My post above was before I read up on the last page and realized you guys had moved onto the ram. You have a very troublesome memory brand and model, that are notoriously bad on Ryzen. And choosing 4000mhz shows that you didn't know about that brands history which means 4000mhz is a huge stretch. It's hard enough achieving that with a top brand such as GSkill, let alone a shaky one like Corsair.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

When I say 4000mhz, it's the cpu, I should have say 4ghz, my ram never went over 3200. I never knew regarding LPX and Ryzen issue.

if that is bad, I'll just buy new ram, a new board and swap them. I'll use that x470 and LPX onto a 300x, whic hwas working fine.

right now, SoC voltage is 0.969v. Been running prime 95 for about 2hr, still stable. I'll let this run more and see

By the way, I just want to say thanks for your help, cause all I want, is gaming without any problem HAHAHA

 

[thesmokingman]

When I say 4000mhz, it's the cpu, I should have say 4ghz, my ram never went over 3200. I never knew regarding LPX and Ryzen issue.

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if that is bad, I'll just buy new ram, a new board and swap them. I'll use that x470 and LPX onto a 300x, whic hwas working fine.

right now, SoC voltage is 0.969v. Been running prime 95 for about 2hr, still stable. I'll let this run more and see

Damn, those are nanya ic on the ram. If you could return them.

Regarding the board, you don't necessarily need to replace it. The memory speed/settings is really between the cpu and the ram. And in your case, more of an issue with the ram. Get a new new board if you want to, it's not holding your ram back is my point. As for the ram, on the low end you can get real B-die G.Skills for fairly cheap like the Flares.

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[RJARRRPCGP]

LPX and AMD have not got along recently, to the point that only official LPX for Ryzen has to have a "Z" in the part number.

FTR, 1usmus' Memtest passed at 3000 with XMP on my non-"Z" LPXs on my Matisse. IIRC, they are also on the QVL for the MSI B450 Tomahawk, despite not having a "Z" in the model code, not to get confused with Intel, LOL!

 

[sneekypeet]

FTR, 1usmus' Memtest passed at 3000 with XMP on my non-"Z" LPXs on my Matisse. IIRC, they are also on the QVL for the MSI B450 Tomahawk, despite not having a "Z" in the model code, not to get confused with Intel, LOL!

I had no issues with LPX on my 3900X processor, but I have seen many here at TPU have a ton of issues with them in play.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

nah can't return them. I havce it since a long time.

I'm looking on newegg canada, I don't really want to spend like 300+ on ram again haha.

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any of those?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I had no issues with LPX on my 3900X processor, but I have seen many here at TPU have a ton of issues with them in play.

I even saw a person go so far to say that it's an early-gen-Ryzen thing, such as the Ryzen 1000 series, for example. (Maybe pre-Matisse had it the worst)

 

[milewski1015]

I even saw a person go so far to say that it's an early-gen-Ryzen thing, such as the Ryzen 1000 series, for example. (Maybe pre-Matisse had it the worst)

Generation definitely plays a role. I have DDR4-3000 C15 Vengeance LPX that runs at rated speed (CL14 actually, but CL14 @ 3000 isn't exactly breaking any records lol) with my 2600 in a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. I think a lot of the issues with Vengeance LPX is that they tend to be generally lower-spec'd kits or kits with worse ICs. They only offer C18 and C20 3600 kits, and the ICs down at 3000 and 3200 tend to be relatively poor. Idk how the faster kits fare (they have a 5000 C18 kit on their website) compared to higher end kits from GSkill for example.

Edit: Completely missed the 3600 C14 kit they have, but it's also $210 for a 2x8 kit

 

[Caring1]

Damn, those are nanya ic on the ram. If you could return them.

Worst chips ever, and dual rank to boot.
If only there was a way to see single rank from a part number.

 

[ChristTheGreat]

okay, so prime95 has been running since 2:30pm yesterday.

I am testing 3000mhz, with the same latency of 3200, I'll leave this over the day again but i just want something stable for now.

I'll be looking for a good ram after.

This one might be sold or I will use it on a second PC (like I said, it was working on the 3700x, at 3200mhz).

If I want better ram from those I linked, I guess its this one:

Check this out on @Newegg: G.SKILL Trident Z Neo (For AMD Ryzen) Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin RGB DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-232-861-_-03202021


3600 CL16? 3200 cl16 would be enought for me, as long as its good