Intel Core i9-11900K

[R0H1T]

The number one metric would be business PCs to run MS Office.

The number one metric is ~ well there's no real number one metric these days! The number one use for a PC is though with browsers ~ the most popular application these days, I doubt anyone can move past this elephant in the room.

If you count all operating systems then it's a no contest ~ browser wins two hands down!

 

[64K]

The number one metric is ~ well there's no real number one metric these days! The number one use for a PC is though with browsers ~ the most popular application these days, I doubt anyone can move past this elephant in the room.

If you count all operating systems then it's a no contest ~ browser wins two hands down!

I disagree. You can use a browser with a tablet or even your smart phone. The majority of PCs sold are desktops or laptops for business use. Mostly for MS Office and too much browsing is discouraged at work because it hurts productivity. This article is for the i9 11900k anyway and no one is buying one of these for browsing.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm not saying they are buying one just for browsing ~ browsing (or browsers) is the most popular application of PC these days, can you refute that? Now when it comes to all PC's, including DIY & prebuilts, there's probably an even split between those ordered primarily for MS Office et al & personal use including media consumption. Though I'd argue you still get more use for browsers these days on business PCs as well, I know I use Chrome & a lot of other business users are tied to either IE, Firefox or Chromium based browsers for daily work.

Now we could expand this a bit further & categorize what kind of work is done on a browser, but the fact remains browser is quite likely the single most used application on PC by far & that includes business users.

The point is there's no real big difference going with the fastest single chip out there or something $100-200 less unless you're buying the PC specifically for something like (professional) gaming, video editing, sound production etc. For 90% of the tasks done on a PC these days, by most users, a 11900k is not that much better than a 10700k or 5600x ~ so unless you're someone who absolutely needs that last 1 or 0.1% of performance most processors i5 & up or R5 above are going to do a very good job for you.

 

[64K]

This article is about the i9 11900k and it's uses. No one is buying one of these for browsing.

 

[R0H1T]

And I've already answered that, unless you have real numbers to back this up?

The number one metric would be business PCs to run MS Office

 

[64K]

And I've already answered that, unless you have real numbers to back this up?

I am only using my years and years in business to say that for businesses the number one use is MS Office and too much browsing is discouraged because it hurts productivity.

That is the extent of my proof and I see little value in continuing to press my point when you obviously have had a different experience in business environments.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The number one metric is ~ well there's no real number one metric these days! The number one use for a PC is though with browsers ~ the most popular application these days, I doubt anyone can move past this elephant in the room.

If you count all operating systems then it's a no contest ~ browser wins two hands down!

I agree. And actually, one of my more laggy use cases involves investment tracking / research via the web on my IRA at Fidelity. While the browser is inherently multithreaded, a lot of the charting and real time tracking appears to single thread.

Similar to that, I was looking at this euro tech website that does benchmarks, but their website itself is like a benchmark. Single threads while rendering some dynamic charts, the slowdown was palpable - just a few seconds - but having the browser stop for 3 seconds before displaying is noticeable.

 

[crispysilicon]

re: AVX comments, AVX units are how I find my OC limits.

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X vs Intel Core i9-11900K: Rocket Lake and Ryzen 5000 CPU Face Off

Intel's 14nm Rocket Lake squares off with AMD's 7nm Ryzen 5000

www.tomshardware.com

"Intel does benefit from higher attainable clock rates, though, especially if you focus on overclocking a few cores instead of the standard all-core overclock. Intel also exposes a wealth of tunable parameters with its Rocket Lake chips. That includes new overclocking offsets, like a separate AVX-512 offset and the ability to set voltage guardbands for the different flavors of AVX. Intel also added an option to completely disable AVX support, though that feature is primarily geared for professional overclockers. Rocket also supports per-core frequency and hyper-threading control (enable/disable) to help eke out more overclocking headroom."

Speak of the devil eh? Better take future OC results with a grain of salt unless the setting is specified.

And on the 11900K, needs DDR4400+, and a large capacity cooling loop. Otherwise, why buy that CPU?

 

[Why_Me]

The 11900K will be all but forgotten imo if the 11700KF shows decent benchmarks.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...700kf-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html
Suggested Retail: $374.00 - $384.00

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Zen 2, which was widely recommended by mainstream tech sites, is a prime example. 3600 often recommended as the best gaming CPU - if it weren't for Covid making $500 MRSP GPUs cost $1500 this would be a horrific fail. You can't even go above a 3060 on a Zen 2 without taking serious FPS hits.

This is at 1440P. Yes that's right, 40.8% FPS difference between a Skylake 10600K and a Zen 2 2700 with a 3080 at 1440p, and 17% vs a 3600 - not even the top of the line GPU. This *should* be a $500-$600 GPU, only Covid is making this irrelevant for the moment.

This will only get worse in a year when the 'super' line and next gen GPUs release. This gets back to my comments about the mob mentality, from a practical standpoint Zen 2 is essentially dead as a gaming CPU, yet lots of people buy and recommend Zen 2 because it is 'good enough' to power a 1660 Super or 2060 without big FPS loss.

Zen 2 will wind up being one of the least future proof CPUs for gaming ever, and it all goes back to paying attention to 720p.


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Just want to point out that the 2000 series wasn't Zen 2, but Zen+. The 3000 series was Zen 2, but that's neither here nor there so... Next point I want to make concerns the 3600. I own one. It's plenty capable for my needs. Would I pass the opportunity to grab a 5000 series CPU? Depends. Because not only is $300 for a 6 core hard to swallow (AMD, you REALLY need to release a 5600 non-X...) I can get a 3700X for $30 more ($330) and get two more cores (because everybody want moar cores, right?).

As for the 1660 Super, which I also own, it's a great 1080p card. And since 1080p is the highest resolution I can play games at (due to vision) it works for me. That said, I do hope AMD ultimately ends up releasing a 6500/XT (actually buying one would be the hard part) so I can have a Ryzen+Radeon rig again.

Then I guess its good that many people that bought Zen 2 cpu's actually do more than just play games on their PC's.

When did playing games all of a sudden become the number 1 metric in what people do with their pc's?

I consider my rig to be a Jack of All Trades type. I game on it, watch movies, browse the interwebs, use GIMP (and rarely, Blender), Milkshape3D (for working with Sims 3 custom content), and "office" applications like Apache OpenOffice. Also, I need to start F@H again...

 

[RandallFlagg]

Just want to point out that the 2000 series wasn't Zen 2, but Zen+. The 3000 series was Zen 2, but that's neither here nor there so... Next point I want to make concerns the 3600. I own one. It's plenty capable for my needs. Would I pass the opportunity to grab a 5000 series CPU? Depends. Because not only is $300 for a 6 core hard to swallow (AMD, you REALLY need to release a 5600 non-X...) I can get a 3700X for $30 more ($330) and get two more cores (because everybody want moar cores, right?).

Which would all be pretty silly given you downgraded from a 10700K, which is superior to (and now, cheaper than) a 3700X in almost every use case. Even in rendering, Zen's strong spot, the most a 3700X can muster for the most part is a tie. 3700X was a great deal when it was $290 and the 10700K was $390. It is no longer a good deal when the 10700K is $20 cheaper.

As for the 1660 Super, which I also own, it's a great 1080p card. And since 1080p is the highest resolution I can play games at (due to vision) it works for me. That said, I do hope AMD ultimately ends up releasing a 6500/XT (actually buying one would be the hard part) so I can have a Ryzen+Radeon rig again.

Of course. You wouldn't want to have an intel + nvidia rig, or a Ryzen+Nvidia rig...

I consider my rig to be a Jack of All Trades type. I game on it, watch movies, browse the interwebs, use GIMP (and rarely, Blender), Milkshape3D (for working with Sims 3 custom content), and "office" applications like Apache OpenOffice. Also, I need to start F@H again...

Personal computers are by definition jacks of all trades.

This is like talking to people who ride Harley Davidsons (and I have nothing against them, but I prefer Honda and Yamaha sport-tourers). They have no logical reason for it, when you get right down to it they like the community. So it is with many AMD fans.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Which would all be pretty silly given you downgraded from a 10700K, which is superior to (and now, cheaper than) a 3700X in almost every use case. Even in rendering, Zen's strong spot, the most a 3700X can muster for the most part is a tie. 3700X was a great deal when it was $290 and the 10700K was $390. It is no longer a good deal when the 10700K is $20 cheaper.

Personal computers are by definition jacks of all trades.

This is like talking to people who ride Harley Davidsons (and I have nothing against them, but I prefer Honda and Yamaha sport-tourers). They have no logical reason for it, when you get right down to it they like the community. So it is with many AMD fans.

My reasons for "downgrading" from a 10700K to a 3600 are entirely personal. Crazy, even, to some people. And because my reasons are so personal, I won't share them here. I'll just say that I did what I had to do.

And also, Japanese bikes! My dad was pretty much a self-taught motorcycle mechanic (started messing around with them when he was in his late teens and worked on them in some form or another till the day he retired from his job as THE motorcycle mechanic for the San Jose Police Department in 2011. It was a job he absolutely loved. As far as motorcycles went, he basically liked anything that WASN'T an HD, but had a particular fondness for Hondas (and the CB750 Four) and the Kawasaki Police (mainly the KZ1000P) bikes -- and later, the Hondo ST1300's -- he worked on for 20+ years. He wasn't much of a bragger, but he liked to boast about being able to tell you where every single nut, bolt, what have you, went on the bike!

Anyway, apologies for rambling

 

[RandallFlagg]

My reasons for "downgrading" from a 10700K to a 3600 are entirely personal. Crazy, even, to some people. And because my reasons are so personal, I won't share them here. I'll just say that I did what I had to do.

And also, Japanese bikes! My dad was pretty much a self-taught motorcycle mechanic (started messing around with them when he was in his late teens and worked on them in some form or another till the day he retired from his job as THE motorcycle mechanic for the San Jose Police Department in 2011. It was a job he absolutely loved. As far as motorcycles went, he basically liked anything that WASN'T an HD, but had a particular fondness for Hondas (and the CB750 Four) and the Kawasaki Police (mainly the KZ1000P) bikes -- and later, the Hondo ST1300's -- he worked on for 20+ years. He wasn't much of a bragger, but he liked to boast about being able to tell you where every single nut, bolt, what have you, went on the bike!

Anyway, apologies for rambling

Funny you mention the ST1300, I have an ST1100 which was the predecessor to the ST1300. Mine is the last year they made them, 2001. Actually intended to sell it when I bought my newer / faster / better tech FJR1300, but the ST1100 is the best balanced bike I have ever owned, and Honda over-engineered these in a major way such that many people get 200,000 miles (mine has 80K). So instead of selling it I pulled the carbs and had them rebuilt, replaced the clutch and clutch hydraulics, etc etc.

I tried to get into the HD thing, my step-son has one, I like the way they look but can't stand the riding position and handling. Just felt like something a high school trade class (welding, mechanics, etc.) would throw together as an experiment.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Back in the 60's-70's, only the "hard" guys rode Harleys, Hell's Angels and whatnot. But nowdays it seems like people only ride them because they want to be part of the "in" crowd or some other pointless reason. My dad never cared for HD or any of the crap they've tried pulling over the years. Like, did you know they actually tried to trademark the SOUND their bikes make? Judge basically laughed it outta court

Anyway, I'm open to continue this subject elsewhere if you'd like. No worries though

 

[AusWolf]

I disagree. You can use a browser with a tablet or even your smart phone. The majority of PCs sold are desktops or laptops for business use. Mostly for MS Office and too much browsing is discouraged at work because it hurts productivity. This article is for the i9 11900k anyway and no one is buying one of these for browsing.

Just to add my own two cents to the argument: I think looking at "number one usage of PCs" is irrelevant, as everybody buys PCs, or parts for their own reasons, and not because of what the majority wants a PC for.

This doesn't change the fact that the Core i9-11900K is a pointless CPU for everyone considering the fact that the Core i7-11700K offers similar features and performance and can be had for at least 100 bucks cheaper (not to mention the non-K variant which is even cheaper than that). It's a real competitor to the Ryzen 7 5800X - albeit with a higher power consumption, whereas the Core i9-11900K isn't a competitor to anything. It offers seriously worse performance than anything else in its price range, and that's what gives it no reason to exist - other than Intel trying to milk the fanboys with the Core i9 name.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This doesn't change the fact that the Core i9-11900K is a pointless CPU for everyone

Actually this isn't necessarily true the 11900k seems to be doing well with extreme overclockers in a decent amount of benchmarks.... So saying everyone is a bit broud. I'm sure ln2 enthusiasts are loving it.

 

[AusWolf]

Actually this isn't necessarily true the 11900k seems to be doing well with extreme overclockers in a decent amount of benchmarks.... So saying everyone is a bit broud. I'm sure ln2 enthusiasts are loving it.

Maybe that's the marketing direction Intel should take: "the world's best processor for pointless gigahertz hunters".

 

[MaMoo]

Maybe that's the marketing direction Intel should take: "the world's best processor for pointless gigahertz hunters".

Netburstest.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Actually this isn't necessarily true the 11900k seems to be doing well with extreme overclockers in a decent amount of benchmarks.... So saying everyone is a bit broud. I'm sure ln2 enthusiasts are loving it.

Isn't that a very niche group though?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Isn't that a very niche group though?

For sure, I personally still enjoy watching them achieve new world records though.

 

[AusWolf]

For sure, I personally still enjoy watching them achieve new world records though.

Fair enough, there's something magical about numbers. For me, it's just as pointless as watching 22 people chase a ball on a grassy field, though millions happen to find it entertaining for some reason.

 

[dparis1977]

and its sold out everywhere, are there really that many idiots out there

 

[HenrySomeone]

You just called hard-extreme overclockers who have historically always grabbed the first batch of every new Intel flagship (and recently some AMD ones too) idiots...

 

[Lindatje]

techpowerup deleted messages ..... good job.

 

[W1zzard]

techpowerup deleted messages ..... good job.

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