Intel Announces 10 nm Third Gen Xeon Scalable Processors "Ice Lake"

[Why_Me]

If you can't see it, then perhaps you are.

Explain how my comment was racist.

 

[Mussels]

Lets end that discussion now.

I see the racist tones in it as well, but its going to end in fighting so lets stop it now.

 

[Redwoodz]

If you can't see it, then perhaps you are.

Nothing to do with race, it's all about cybersecurity for the US Government.

 

[Why_Me]

Nothing to do with race, it's all about cybersecurity for the US Government.

It's also about the US making sure it controls its chip supply chain .. auto industry, computers, electronics in general, etc ...

Lets end that discussion now.

I see the racist tones in it as well, but its going to end in fighting so lets stop it now.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Intel says 4TBs of RAM supported, which is greater-than-or-equal to EPYC (4TB single socket, 4TB dual-socket) and above Cascade Lake (3TB per socket). On a 8x socket Platinum system, this would support 32TBs of RAM.

That doesn't... seem small to me at all?

8 CPU*512 per CPU see a tables is 4TB yes. There is written 512GB per CPU not per DIMM(module).

 

[dragontamer5788]

8 CPU*512 per CPU see a tables is 4TB yes. There is written 512GB per CPU not per DIMM(module).

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24TBs of RAM on a last-generation Cascade Lake 8-way socket product. Xeon Platinums are for BIG systems. You don't go 8-socket unless you're going super-super big.

No it won't because Ice Lake SP is limited to 2S configurations.

On the other hand, this here seems like I've made a mistake. At only 2S, these chips will never go into a 8-way SuperServer. So 4TBs I guess max (typically anyway).

Now that's odd: for Intel to only target 1S and 2S with this technology. You'd think that Intel would push their higher-margin 8-socket designs, which scale more vertically than AMD systems can and therefore fills a niche that AMD doesn't even attempt to tackle. Or maybe Intel knows that they're the only one with any game there, so there's no point even upgrading it to Ice Lake?

 

[londiste]

8 CPU*512 per CPU see a tables is 4TB yes. There is written 512GB per CPU not per DIMM(module).

What table are you looking at?
Old Cooper Lake Xeons support up to 1.12TB (H models) or 4.5TB (HL models).
Ice Lake Xeons support up to 6TB.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

What table are you looking at?
Old Cooper Lake Xeons support up to 1.12TB (H models) or 4.5TB (HL models).
Ice Lake Xeons support up to 6TB.

What table are you looking at?

This^^

 

[Vayra86]

It's also about the US making sure it controls its chip supply chain .. auto industry, computers, electronics in general, etc ...

Except they never did and never will, and if and when they do, they have products they can't sell internationally, because they're simply not competitive.

US cars are generally considered not fantastic elsewhere in the world, its a good example of how that works. Its a rare occurrence seeing one over here for obvious reasons. Too heavy, too costly, and generally not of great quality, while the unique selling points don't really work outside the US.

If money is no object, the US can make fantastic things. If it has to be competitive in the global market though? There really isn't much export that successful, except for digital services and fintech - and let's not begin to unravel those cesspools to see where the value really comes from. The rest? Base resources to make things Hardly high tech.

My point: the global market is a fantastic thing, even if the current state of it is one of bad balance. It leads to overall better product and more/fair competition. And more importantly, as long as you need each other for trade, you're not shooting.

 

[Frank_100]

It would be interesting to see how the Intel 6346 compares to the AMD 5950X as a workstation.

Doing workstation type tasks.

ie. Rendering, Music Production, Numerical Optimization.

Sure games are fun, but a review that is focused on work would be useful.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

LoL Xeon vs normal mainstream part

It would be interesting to see how the Intel 6346 compares to the AMD 5950X as a workstation

Edit: almost £2000 pre-order
What is best price of Ryzen 9 5950X?

 

[medi01]

Most of AMD's stuff is completely sold out.

AMD CPUs are not sold out for... hold on, at least 2 months by now.

 

[Why_Me]

Except they never did and never will, and if and when they do, they have products they can't sell internationally, because they're simply not competitive.

US cars are generally considered not fantastic elsewhere in the world, its a good example of how that works. Its a rare occurrence seeing one over here for obvious reasons. Too heavy, too costly, and generally not of great quality, while the unique selling points don't really work outside the US.

If money is no object, the US can make fantastic things. If it has to be competitive in the global market though? There really isn't much export that successful, except for digital services and fintech - and let's not begin to unravel those cesspools to see where the value really comes from. The rest? Base resources to make things Hardly high tech.

My point: the global market is a fantastic thing, even if the current state of it is one of bad balance. It leads to overall better product and more/fair competition. And more importantly, as long as you need each other for trade, you're not shooting.

The US logically wants to look after its own interest such as our auto and heavy machinery industry that employees thousands of Americans. National defense is another issue when the microchip industry plays a large part. Its in our best interest if we control our supply chain in that regard hence the reason for the new microchip foundries in the works here.

 

[efikkan]

It would be interesting to see how the Intel 6346 compares to the AMD 5950X as a workstation.

Doing workstation type tasks.

ie. Rendering, Music Production, Numerical Optimization.

Sure games are fun, but a review that is focused on work would be useful.

You are comparing a server CPU to a consumer CPU, neither are "workstation CPUs".
5950X will do a good job performance wise, as long as you are not bottlenecked by memory bandwidth or other IO. But it will not offer the stability of a Xeon. I would advice waiting for the Xeon W lineup, which has much higher clock speeds and probably different pricing.

AMD CPUs are not sold out for... hold on, at least 2 months by now.

That may be varying from region to region. In my country only 5800X has been in stock.

 

[Frank_100]

You are comparing a server CPU to a consumer CPU, neither are "workstation CPUs".
5950X will do a good job performance wise, as long as you are not bottlenecked by memory bandwidth or other IO. But it will not offer the stability of a Xeon. I would advice waiting for the Xeon W lineup, which has much higher clock speeds and probably different pricing.


That may be varying from region to region. In my country only 5800X has been in stock.

If you want a 5950X today, it could cost up to $1500.

The W line up will probably cost more .

I used to use xeons, 2687w sandy bridge was the last one. Since the it has been i9's.

 

[efikkan]

If you want a 5950X today, it could cost up to $1500.

The W line up will probably cost more .

I used to use xeons, 2687w sandy bridge was the last one. Since the it has been i9's.

Pricing of the Ice Lake Xeon W series is not known yet, but looking at the old Cascade Lake can give us some idea; Xeon W-2295 (18c) $1333, Xeon W-3245 (16c) $2000.

Workstations are (or should be) built for a specific purpose. Aggregated performance is irrelevant, what you want to do is looking at benchmarks relevant for the real world tasks you will be performing. Pay extra attention to how the workloads scale with increasing core count, having additional cores beyond that is pointless. Also notice whether the workloads are CPU or IO bound.

The AM4 lineup has several aspects to consider for "semi-pro" or pro users. Ryzen 9 5950X (and to some extent 5900X) are often "pointless" for real world uses, as there are very few real world workloads scaling well beyond 6-8 cores, especially without more memory channels. They are more relevant for benchmarking than anything else, and would have made so much more sense as Threadrippers. There may be a few exceptions, such as rendering, so you might want to look into that. Another issue is that we are still waiting for AMD to finally create stable firmware, 5 months in...
Additionally, there is IO and expansion (This also applies to LGA1200), particularly your storage needs. Especially with M.2 drives, most workstations probably needs space for at least two of these. Then probably some hard drives. With AM4 and LGA1200 you need to read the fine print in the motherboard manuals about which combinations of PCIe/M.2 slots and SATA ports is possible, there are usually compromises there. I also prefer to have a free PCIe 4x slot for future 10G networking etc.

Reliability is always a tough one. People don't need expensive Xeons for gaming, but for a serious workstation it should at least be a consideration.