Intel Core i5-11400F

[ftgf]

If all you need is a bunch of missing features then good for you..... Although full Disclosure I don't currently own a Sub $300 board so maybe I'm not the best judge.... I personally wouldn't purchase anything without a post code/bios flash but everyone has different wants/needs...

Fancy. Yup most users don't need or care.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Fancy. Yup most users don't need or care.

I still stand by what I say don't skimp on a mobo the majority of people who pop up in threads having issues with memory/vrm thermals etc have crappy budget tier mobo....

With Asrock z490 and MSI X570 even their sub $200 boards had issues.

 

[Why_Me]

I still stand by what I say don't skimp on a mobo the majority of people who pop up in threads having issues with memory/vrm thermals etc have crappy budget tier mobo....

With Asrock and MSI even their sub $200 Z490 and X570 boards had issues.

First time overclockers are the #1 threat to society from what I've come across on the help forums. They get advice from friends, a youtube vid, etc .. and they start screwing with their bios starting with voltage. It's like they see the light socket and can't keep themselves from sticking their tongue in it.

 

[mak1skav]

Why would someone spend more money on a cpu with integrated graphics (10400/11400) when they can spend less for the same performance (10400F/11400F).

If they are building a new PC now probably they will go with the one that has integrated graphics because lack of graphic cards in the market (or they don't want to pay those silly prices for one at the moment).

 

[ftgf]

I still stand by what I say don't skimp on a mobo the majority of people who pop up in threads having issues with memory/vrm thermals etc have crappy budget tier mobo....

With Asrock z490 and MSI X570 even their sub $200 boards had issues.

Hey I'm not saying high-end mobos aren't great. Used to be a big buyer of EVGA Classified boards back in the day when Shamino was with them. I'm just saying it's really not worth it 99% of the time for most users. New big shiny things are nice though. I get it.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Techspot review: What We Learned:
Is the Core i5-10400 worth the $182 asking price? Probably not, but hey, it's competing against the extremely aggressive and awesome Ryzen 3600. (...) As you just witnessed, when it comes to gaming performance the Core i5 processor is roughly on par with the 3600, while for productivity tasks AMD's offering is often up to 10% faster while consuming a similar level of power."

No the Ryzen 3600 isn't bad at gaming, not at all. And you can do a simple 4.4ghz OC and really crush the 10400 and 11400.

I don't think that is what they said, but if they did then they are point blank incompetent noobs. And so are you if you just bit into that without thinking about it.

It is that kind of mindless repeating of outdated information that keeps people out there paying $200-$230 for 3600/3600X when it is just a plain stupid choice.

The 11400 destroys the 3600 and 3600X in games. It also beats them in most productivity workloads. And you can boost its performance 15-20% in productivity by simply moving a slider bar on power, an option that is not available to the 3600/3600X.

So no, you'd need to cherry pick pretty hard to make any sort of a reasonable case for the 3600 and 3600X now.

These are not small differences.

 

[gp_online]

Wow, intel is selling the same crappy cpu cooler like 10 years ago! This means to make profit with all costs and not to care about the consumer.

 

[ftgf]

Wow, intel is selling the same crappy cpu cooler like 10 years ago! This means to make profit with all costs and not to care about the consumer.

Works pretty well with this CPU. Also the black is a nice touch.

 

[1d10t]

Even in a non-gaming scenario, this CPU struggled against previous gen.
Now let see people buying these at $550 if they already mad about 6 core being $385.

I'm quite surprise my previous comment also applies here, big kudos to Intel for being very consistent with its products.

13% higher price with promised 19% IPC uplift, core for core, and yet we saw declining in performance. If anything could pull off this stunt, it was obviously them.
Still, this CPU offered quite attractive value, for those seeking to build a new. Anyone that still on i3 or i5 without SMT should look no further than 10400F as suggested by the chart above and many reviewers.

 

[olymind1]

Thanks for the review, it is a good cheapish CPU for gaming.

It has the same price as the 3600, but i would rather buy this over the Ryzen. Also like the performance of the 5600x, but not it's price. I would like to see a 5600 around 200€ but that's probably not going to happed. It's sad that AMD started overpricing their whole product line (on the gpu front too), they had some nice budget options, now they don't.

Even this 11400f can be a nice upgrade from my 2600. From my perspective it's not worth to upgrade to a 3600 even if i have a b450 motherboard for it (maybe if i could find a cheap one used, but then no PCI-E 4.0), the 5600x is out of question, i'm not paying 300+ € for an 6 core cpu in 2021. As others mentioned from the 5600x's price i can buy a decent b560 motherboard and i5-11400f and there is some money left too. For now i'll wait till prices are normalizing and maybe AMD willing to response for this CPU, but i'm not holding my breath for them anymore.

The only thing i don't like about the 11400f is it's price increase and small to none preformance uplift from the 10400f.

 

[Arcdar]

Thanks for this extremely detailed review again in which you went "above and beyond" after finding some issues with the tier1 to document and point out where the issues most likely (99%+ chance) are coming from.

I really enjoy that you go "out of your way" and add other tests on top of your already wide range of tests you do in general for "small details" like those. Well done "Germaning" (as my international colleagues started to coin this type of "detail-oriented-getting-EVERYTHING-done" work ethics ^^)

Thanks for the review, it is a good cheapish CPU for gaming.

It has the same price as the 3600, but i would rather buy this over the Ryzen. Also like the preformance of the 5600x, but not it's price. I would like to see a 5600 around 200€ but that's probably not going to happed. It's sad that AMD started overpricing their whole product line (on the gpu front too), they had some nice budget options, now they don't.

Even this 11400f can be a nice upgrade from my 2600. From my perspective it's not worth to upgrade to a 3600 even if i have a b450 motherboard for it (maybe if i could find a cheap one used, but then no PCI-E 4.0), the 5600x is out of question, i'm not paying 300+ € for an 6 core cpu in 2021. As others mentioned from the 5600x's price i can buy a decent b560 motherboard and i5-11400f and there is some money left too. For now i'll wait till prices are normalizing and maybe AMD willing to response for this CPU, but i'm not holding my breath for them anymore.

The only thing i don't like about the 11400f is it's price increase and small to none preformance uplift from the 10400f.

same here.... still struggling what to do with my 2500k ... still works decent but the missing HT is sometimes a pain in the butt (especially with Ubisoft titles..... AC and Division especially - those run perfect in most scenarios but sometimes just screw up for a few seconds - tested with a 2700k with exactly the same settings/speeds this also happens as soon as I disable HT but is completely non-existent with HT turned on while not changing anything else.....).

Was thinking of going the GF-Route (I build her a dual xeon e5-2900 nearly 2 years ago which runs quite amazingly well in all scenarios with her 2060s without the dual-cpu issues many have stated, but maybe she's just lucky ^^ ... or it's because she has an ASUSp10 board and not a chinese dual2011-3 board? ) but that starts to be less and less appealing (the 2011-3 are getting cheaper but for the cost of upgrading that way I could also go the 10400f with Z-board nearly?) .... so the 11400f looks tempting now, just like the 10400f still does.

I guess I'll wait a few more weeks to see how the bios-situation is playing out and what is going to happen to the z490 board prices compared to the 5-series boards (where ram-"oc" ? is still allowed--- meaning you're allowed to actually run the DDR's at their speeds they are build to run at and not the max speed intel allows you to run them at.....) and then decide

 

[watzupken]

Honestly this is pretty painful. Another year without gaming improvements. I bought the 11500 just because I was bored and I knew the 11400 would do so badly and no longer interested in the 10400. The stock fan bearing is very loud, just like with AMD, so I still needed to buy an extra CPU cooler, though I was pleasantly surprised the newer black cooler was included. At least it looks better, so that is great for resale. Was hitting 100 degrees also without the power limit.

The 11400 and 11500 are clearly the best of Rocket Lake, but that is sure not saying much. In Canada I paid $270 CAD for the 11500 vs. $200 for the 10400, making it a silly waste of money, but I did put a PCIe 4.0 drive in there so it was worth it for me. Also this is a second computer and I can't find a GPU for it so I wanted the faster XE graphics (even if they are too slow also).

I would kill for a Ryzen 5000G series right now. Give us some cheaper 5600G as soon as possible. In fact when you read this review the sentiment is basically "come on AMD, we know you can do better, please release a product!"

The Intel stock cooler is no longer fit for purpose for a number of years. Intel adamantly sticked to this cheap design to cut cost. While the cooler was designed for cooling CPUs with 65W TDP, the TDP value is meaningless now and in this review, its drawing almost 50% over the TDP at load. I've recently gave a Scythe Shuriken 3 to my wife's brother because he mentioned his CPU (i5 9400) is running in the high 80 deg celsius with the stock cooler. After installing the Scythe cooler, that dropped the temp to mid 60s under the same gaming load.

 

[Why_Me]

same here.... still struggling what to do with my 2500k ... still works decent but the missing HT is sometimes a pain in the butt (especially with Ubisoft titles..... AC and Division especially - those run perfect in most scenarios but sometimes just screw up for a few seconds - tested with a 2700k with exactly the same settings/speeds this also happens as soon as I disable HT but is completely non-existent with HT turned on while not changing anything else.....).

Was thinking of going the GF-Route (I build her a dual xeon e5-2900 nearly 2 years ago which runs quite amazingly well in all scenarios with her 2060s without the dual-cpu issues many have stated, but maybe she's just lucky ^^ ... or it's because she has an ASUSp10 board and not a chinese dual2011-3 board? ) but that starts to be less and less appealing (the 2011-3 are getting cheaper but for the cost of upgrading that way I could also go the 10400f with Z-board nearly?) .... so the 11400f looks tempting now, just like the 10400f still does.

I guess I'll wait a few more weeks to see how the bios-situation is playing out and what is going to happen to the z490 board prices compared to the 5-series boards (where ram-"oc" ? is still allowed--- meaning you're allowed to actually run the DDR's at their speeds they are build to run at and not the max speed intel allows you to run them at.....) and then decide

Another option without breaking the bank is a B560 board paired up with a 10700F and 3200mhz RAM. That cpu runs neck and neck with the 5600X in games.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...8070110700f_core_i7_10700f_processor_16m.html
Intel Core i7-10700F $269.99

Intel Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Review: Is 65W Comet Lake an Option?

www.anandtech.com

 

[watzupken]

Thanks for the review, it is a good cheapish CPU for gaming.

It has the same price as the 3600, but i would rather buy this over the Ryzen. Also like the preformance of the 5600x, but not it's price. I would like to see a 5600 around 200€ but that's probably not going to happed. It's sad that AMD started overpricing their whole product line (on the gpu front too), they had some nice budget options, now they don't.

Even this 11400f can be a nice upgrade from my 2600. From my perspective it's not worth to upgrade to a 3600 even if i have a b450 motherboard for it (maybe if i could find a cheap one used, but then no PCI-E 4.0), the 5600x is out of question, i'm not paying 300+ € for an 6 core cpu in 2021. As others mentioned from the 5600x's price i can buy a decent b560 motherboard and i5-11400f and there is some money left too. For now i'll wait till prices are normalizing and maybe AMD willing to response for this CPU, but i'm not holding my breath for them anymore.

The only thing i don't like about the 11400f is it's price increase and small to none preformance uplift from the 10400f.

If you are only looking at it mostly from a gaming perspective, I feel Comet Lake is still a good alternative to Rocket Lake since its cheaper without losing out in terms of gaming performance. To be fair, while AMD don't have a cheaper 6 cores processor unlike Intel, but considering its an unlocked processor, i.e. able to OC, the main competition should be the 11600K.

 

[Arcdar]

Another option without breaking the bank is a B560 board paired up with a 10700F and 3200mhz RAM. That cpu runs neck and neck with the 5600X in games.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...8070110700f_core_i7_10700f_processor_16m.html
Intel Core i7-10700F $269.99

Intel Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Review: Is 65W Comet Lake an Option?

www.anandtech.com

yes, that would be an option but I'd still like to keep the option to later upgrade to a K-variant if needed at some point / if I need more performance next year or so which won't happen on a B-Board. I'd rather go the xx400f route with a Z-board (490 most likely) to have those options instead of having to switch board and cpu again at the end of next year.

The xx400f will be more than enough to keep me happy until the end of 2022 with what I need it for and then an OC-ed xx700k or so will keep the system running for another 1-2 years most likely . That's the way I ran with my current setup: Asus gene-z with 2400 and later 2500k oc-ed which, by far outlived it's expectations. I don't expect this setup to last "that long", but it'd be a valid option without planning to switch the board also again next time I'd need "just a bit more juice" ^^


(this -locked upgrade-path- is also the main reason I don't want to use the 2011-3 variant anymore, even though I'm torn to build a 2698v3 dual setup, not because it's the fastest out there but it would just be .... my thing ^^ ... not cool/whatever just the tiny geek in me feels like that would be so fun to build/have with a custom-loop )

 

[olymind1]

If you are only looking at it mostly from a gaming perspective, I feel Comet Lake is still a good alternative to Rocket Lake since its cheaper without losing out in terms of gaming performance. To be fair, while AMD don't have a cheaper 6 cores processor unlike Intel, but considering its an unlocked processor, i.e. able to OC, the main competition should be the 11600K.

True, the cheaper i5-10400f has even greater value.

I don't have anything against OC-ing, but sometimes expectations and real world results can be different, like my heavily anti-OC Ryzen 2600 which is unlocked but isn't stable above 3.9 GHz in a B450 Tomahawk motherboard with a Alpenföhn Brocken 3 on it.

 

[Raendor]

Another option without breaking the bank is a B560 board paired up with a 10700F and 3200mhz RAM. That cpu runs neck and neck with the 5600X in games.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...8070110700f_core_i7_10700f_processor_16m.html
Intel Core i7-10700F $269.99

Intel Core i7-10700 vs Core i7-10700K Review: Is 65W Comet Lake an Option?

www.anandtech.com

That's a good one actually. Is it really possible to set 10700f to work with 3200 RAM? Thought it had a limit of 2993 on b460 and that it would also apply for b560, while only 11 series can set XMP to whatever it's running at.

 

[Why_Me]

That's a good one actually. Is it really possible to set 10700f to work with 3200 RAM? Thought it had a limit of 2993 on b460 and that it would also apply for b560, while only 11 series can set XMP to whatever it's running at.

B560 boards allow for memory OC.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-core-i5-11400f.280455/#post-4495808 <--- a few examples in that post.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/15.html <--- green highlight is the 10400F w/3200Mhz RAM.

 

[qubit]

I've got a friend who's looking to buy one of the lower end models, perhaps this one. I'll make sure to show him this paragraph. He might just think twice about it.

My friend got back to me about this. It is actually the 11400 that he's ordered and he's now gonna pay special attention to BIOS bugs and other issues that may crop up. He won't be shy about returning it if it's too problematic, either.

 

[Raendor]

B560 boards allow for memory OC.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-core-i5-11400f.280455/#post-4495808 <--- a few examples in that post.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/15.html <--- green highlight is the 10400F w/3200Mhz RAM.

Yes, that's indeed for 11 series. I thought 10 series were still limited on b560 to max allowed per spec (2933 for i7 and 2666 for i5) based on what I see on vendor sites. Honestly, it's getting a bit confusing when you start combining. I think the grren highlight you showed is tested on z490 board with 3200 memory, which won't be able to be enabled even on b560, because of 10 series chip limitations.

For example that's fro is said for b560 on asus site:


5333(OC)/4800(OC)/4600(OC)/4400(OC)/4266(OC)/4000(OC)/3733(OC)/3600(OC)/3466(OC)/3400(OC)/3333(OC)/3200/2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory*


Dual Channel Memory Architecture


Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)


OptiMem II


* 10th Gen Intel® i7/i9 processors support 2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 natively, others will run at the maximum transfer rate of DDR4 2666MHz.


* 11th Gen Intel® processors support 3200/2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 natively.


Which I assumed is pretty much your limit for 10 series despite that it's unlocked for 11 series chips. Cool if I'm wrong.

 

[Taraquin]

Good value CPU! How was all core frequency with max powerlimits? I see it dropped to around 3.8 in regular settings and below 3.5 in avx. If I remember correctly intel states 4.2 all core with no limits. Did it reach that?

Wonder how this undervolts. Wouldn`t surprise me if a negative 100mv would increase performance at 65W a great deal.

 

[Caring1]

Why would someone spend more money on a cpu with integrated graphics (10400/11400) when they can spend less for the same performance (10400F/11400F).

Because not everybody games.

 

[Why_Me]

Yes, that's indeed for 11 series. I thought 10 series were still limited on b560 to max allowed per spec (2933 for i7 and 2666 for i5) based on what I see on vendor sites. Honestly, it's getting a bit confusing when you start combining. I think the grren highlight you showed is tested on z490 board with 3200 memory, which won't be able to be enabled even on b560, because of 10 series chip limitations.

For example that's fro is said for b560 on asus site:


5333(OC)/4800(OC)/4600(OC)/4400(OC)/4266(OC)/4000(OC)/3733(OC)/3600(OC)/3466(OC)/3400(OC)/3333(OC)/3200/2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory*


Dual Channel Memory Architecture


Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)


OptiMem II


* 10th Gen Intel® i7/i9 processors support 2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 natively, others will run at the maximum transfer rate of DDR4 2666MHz.


* 11th Gen Intel® processors support 3200/2933/2800/2666/2400/2133 natively.


Which I assumed is pretty much your limit for 10 series despite that it's unlocked for 11 series chips. Cool if I'm wrong.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157916
ASRock Z490 Extreme4

Supports DDR4 4266+(OC)*/ 4133(OC)/ 4000(OC)/ 3866(OC)/ 3800(OC)/ 3733(OC)/ 3600(OC)/ 3200(OC)/ 2933/ 2800/ 2666/ 2400/ 2133 non-ECC, un-buffered memory

* Core (i9/i7) support DDR4 up to 2933; Core (i5/i3), Pentium and Celeron support DDR4 up to 2666.

 

[W1zzard]

How was all core frequency with max powerlimits?

That's a good question indeed, will do a test run for you and update the review

 

[qubit]

Why would someone spend more money on a cpu with integrated graphics (10400/11400) when they can spend less for the same performance (10400F/11400F).

Two main reasons:

- not everybody plays games, or at least not demanding games.
- getting a picture on the monitor. When building a new rig, or troubleshooting a blank picture problem on an existing rig, this guarantees a picture on the monitor if there's an issue with the graphics card. It can be a life saver in some circumstances, in fact. Well worth paying a little extra for.