Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Space Lynx]

to all owners who enable smart access memory. I'm able to oc my ram and gpu much farther with it disabled.

pretty annoying that sam is what was messing me up the entire time. it only grants like 2 extra fps in 99% of games i play so yeah much rather gain the extra 20 to 30 I'm getting from massive oc on ram and gpu

 

[kapone32]

I have no idea why this is happening but my Gaming has been super sweet lately. (past 4 days) Whatever update that was released lately saw a jump in performance in not just feel but visuals (for me). I have been playing Outriders (when it's not crashing) for the past week and noticed that the FPS goes from 110-120 FPS consistently on my 1440P 165HZ panel (set to 120HZ). What is crazy though is I ran the TWWH2 battle benchmark and got the same sort of result with spikes in the 140s. So I load up a saved Game. It's 3 18 stacks against the AI's 2 20 stack Army with Wizards, Phoenix, Dragons and artillery. I could not get over that the Game was never slow (bog down) at any point in the battle (which I lost) that lasted for 22 minutes. Take my money indeed AMD. I used to OC and have a stable 4.7 GHZ all core 1.3 setting in Ryzen Master that works great. I do like PBO though, it's painless and seems to be the best setting for pure Gaming with the least amount of power draw, not that it;s a concern but 65-75 Watts of CPU power for what the 5600X can do is very impressive. Is is not crazy to think that the 5600X is in some cases faster by 80% than the 1600? It's only 2021. I am at a point where I do not need (want) anything right now in terms of PC hardware....That is a good feeling.

 

[Mussels]

All of you stoooop, stooooop making me regret my purchases lol

Mobo prices be falling here too. I paid $249 about a year ago for my B550M TUF Wifi, and now $220-230 can get me any choice of B550-A, Tomahawk or Pro V2. Any of which would fit the general colour scheme a hell of a lot better than the TUF. It's not even that bad of a design, it's just the tramp stamp on the PCH and the stupid lettering on the VRM heatsink - otherwise it looks fine.

But I bought a Cerberus and not a Cerberus X because I wanted to keep all my comps in SFF territory, so I'm in this boat now. But I guess I shouldn't complain about a reliable board, so maybe I'll take a black sharpie to the heatsink no matter how I try to like the Cerberus X it just looks poorly proportioned compared to the Cerberus. Price to pay for ATX support, I guess.

i love my asus board, its merely the software is garbage - i'll yell for days about not using mobo RGB/ARGB controllers

 

[kapone32]

i love my asus board, its merely the software is garbage - i'll yell for days about not using mobo RGB/ARGB controllers

For me MSI make the best AM4 boards and have the stablest budget line up. Gigabyte are last resort for me. I do like Asus Strix and above but As Rock went from being good budget to stupid over priced with the same BIOS for a board that cost $89 on a $500 board.

 

[tabascosauz]

i love my asus board, its merely the software is garbage - i'll yell for days about not using mobo RGB/ARGB controllers

Oh yeah, you know how much I love the Asus BIOS. I just gripe about how every vendor still treats mATX AM4 like it doesn't deserve a proper midrange treatment with some decent 6-layer PCBs and colour schemes. On Z490 they left out the Gene, now Z590 doesn't even have a frickin Strix, but contrary to expectations all the mATX Intel boards this generations are actually really solid (Asrock excluded, as usual). And MSI hasn't even released theirs yet.

Meanwhile on AM4, Asus gives me the choice of either an absolute ass board in the form of the Prime-A, or a decent board marred by idiotic tramp stamps and yellow accents (which I have). The Steel Legend straight up couldn't handle 3600 on any BIOS when I had it, the Mortar has the most inane clear CMOS position, and Gigabyte didn't even have a competitor until the Pro-P came later.

I could understand the price tag if these boards were proper midrange 6-layers like their intel brethren, but the fact that most are now like $20 cheaper than the likes of the B550-A Strix and Tomahawk just pisses me the f off, they're milking us who cling to hope that they'll stop seeing AM4 mATX specifically as second class citizens

 

[Mussels]

for my mATX builds i just use ITX case and enjoy some extra GPU breathing room *shrug*

Its a dying size

 

[Caring1]

for my mATX builds i just use ITX case and enjoy some extra GPU breathing room *shrug*

Its a dying size

Have you got that backwards?

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Before I find this out myself, in preparation for being without a rig for a bit while my board return goes through, I was wondering if you guys think an HP Envy 360 (it's a 2 in 1) rocking a Ryzen 7 3700U (I think that's what it is) and Vega 8 (or is it 10? lol) graphics would be able to play LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens, so long as I lower settings a bit? I know it sure as shit wouldn't run Battlefront II...

 

[PaulieG]

that is the joy of ryzen, user choice!


As a 165Hz gamer, i'll take that extra 500Mhz of boost becase 10% is 10%

Agreed. For me, the consistent clocks work better for WCG. I don't do any PC gaming.

 

[Athlonite]

Regarding Aura, ain't no way in hell I'm installing Armoury Crate. AI Suite maybe (because it seems handy) and maybe a couple others. But AC isn't coming anywhere near my rig. The uninstallation nightmare is well documented on TPU lol.



Heard nothing but (almost all) good things about the B550-F. I'm going to get the non-wifi B550-A (the silver version) because I already have a PCIe x1 wifi card

If mobo prices are going down, somebody forgot to tell Asus, as the Dark Hero is a whopping $450 USD now, lol. I wouldn't mind having the regular Hero but only way I'd be able to get one is if it was gifted to me lol.

I've got Armoury crate installed there's nothing wrong with it now it used to be a shit but after quite a few updates it's not anywhere near as bad as it used to be

 

[Gmr_Chick]

OK, listen up peeps! I just got an offer from a local friend. $80 for their Crosshair VI Hero, a board I'm still in love with since my R5 1600 days. It's also the board that spoiled me for USB ports LOL. Anyway, should I go for it?

Hehe, I still have the instruction manual for my dead C6H. Pour one for ones homies.

 

[Mussels]

Have you got that backwards?

nah i cut holes in the case
(yeah ITX board in mATX cases)

 

[Athlonite]

OK, listen up peeps! I just got an offer from a local friend. $80 for their Crosshair VI Hero, a board I'm still in love with since my R5 1600 days. It's also the board that spoiled me for USB ports LOL. Anyway, should I go for it?

Hehe, I still have the instruction manual for my dead C6H. Pour one for ones homies.

depends what CPU you planning on putting in it otherwise thats a cheap C6H which would make a nice little home server

 

[Gmr_Chick]

depends what CPU you planning on putting in it otherwise thats a cheap C6H which would make a nice little home server

Popping my 3600 in it

 

[WhitetailAni]

Popping my 3600 in it

Oh, envy is me...
Wish I could get $80 for a C6H. I also have a 3600.
As it is, the C7H (Wi-Fi) or the X570-E are my dream boards. C7H (Wi-Fi) since I don't need PCIe 4.0 support (Kepler doesn't have it), and X570-E since it's the C7H (Wi-Fi) but with X570, slightly different rear I/O, WiFi 6 instead of WiFi 5, and 2 more SATA ports.

Anyway, go for it!

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Popping my 3600 in it

I don't know the board specifically, but for the money it seems hard to beat. My personal concern would be that you couldn't pop at 5000 series CPU in it later, but again, for $80 you're not into it for a ton of cabbage.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Oh, envy is me...
Wish I could get $80 for a C6H. I also have a 3600.
As it is, the C7H (Wi-Fi) or the X570-E are my dream boards. C7H (Wi-Fi) since I don't need PCIe 4.0 support (Kepler doesn't have it), and X570-E since it's the C7H (Wi-Fi) but with X570, slightly different rear I/O, WiFi 6 instead of WiFi 5, and 2 more SATA ports.

Anyway, go for it!

The VI Hero is what truly spoiled me, lol. I LOVED mine. I'd like a VII Hero (for...reasons) but $80 is hard to beat for what was arguably one of the best X370 boards (dat VI Extreme tho!)

I don't know the board specifically, but for the money it seems hard to beat. My personal concern would be that you couldn't pop at 5000 series CPU in it later, but again, for $80 you're not into it for a ton of cabbage.

I don't think you can pop in a 5000 series, no. But, there again is the beauty of AM4; I don't need latest and greatest (even though it's cool to have) so I could pick up a higher-end 3000 series if need be and be cool with it

OK, so, I've had a bit of time to think about the offer on the table and have decided to go for it. $80 is an absolute steal, especially considering current Used prices on Ebay. Plus I've had prior experience with that particular model and am still incredibly fond of it -- and where else are you gonna find TWELVE rear USB ports? LOL. Yeah it doesn't support PCIe gen 4 but I could care less. My M.2 SATA SSD runs just fine. One thing that does concern me a bit is the lack of M.2 heatsinks on the VI Hero (the Crosshair VII had one, I believe) but given that my M.2 is running in SATA mode I don't think it generates all that much heat.

So yeah, I've decided that it's an offer I can't refuse. And being able to make sure I can afford my medication is more important.

In regards to running a 3000 series Ryzen on X370, is there anything I have to do before popping in the 3600, like a BIOS update or anything? I can use my 1600 to do it, but I also went ahead and saved the specific BIOS that enables 3000 series to run on X370 from the C6H support page. It's on my flash drive, renamed and ready to go

 

[tabascosauz]

OK, so, I've had a bit of time to think about the offer on the table and have decided to go for it. $80 is an absolute steal, especially considering current Used prices on Ebay. Plus I've had prior experience with that particular model and am still incredibly fond of it -- and where else are you gonna find TWELVE rear USB ports? LOL. Yeah it doesn't support PCIe gen 4 but I could care less. My M.2 SATA SSD runs just fine. One thing that does concern me a bit is the lack of M.2 heatsinks on the VI Hero (the Crosshair VII had one, I believe) but given that my M.2 is running in SATA mode I don't think it generates all that much heat.

So yeah, I've decided that it's an offer I can't refuse. And being able to make sure I can afford my medication is more important.

In regards to running a 3000 series Ryzen on X370, is there anything I have to do before popping in the 3600, like a BIOS update or anything? I can use my 1600 to do it, but I also went ahead and saved the specific BIOS that enables 3000 series to run on X370 from the C6H support page. It's on my flash drive, renamed and ready to go

It's not even just 12 ports. 1 Gen2 + 1 Gen2 type-C + 8 USB 3.0 + 4 USB 2.0, that's 14. That's more than the current Hero and Dark Hero. Not familiar with how the first two Heros held up over time, I only know there was a lot of salt from owners who felt left out from either new AGESA patches. Neither of which should affect you as long as the other dude properly took care of it

Just don't run anything earlier than version 7704. After 1004B there weren't any noticeable performance changes to Matisse, but prior to 1004A AMD was pretty much running around with their hair on fire. Q3 Q4 2019 was a rough time lol

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Just don't run anything earlier than version 7704. After 1004B there weren't any noticeable performance changes to Matisse, but prior to 1004A AMD was pretty much running around with their hair on fire. Q3 Q4 2019 was a rough time lol

Thanks Tabby! Should I just go with 7704 or the newest one, 8002? 8002 came out 3/25/21.

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks Tabby! Should I just go with 7704 or the newest one, 8002? 8002 came out 3/25/21.

Probably the 7704 first? Some vendors occasionally slip downgrade blocks in there so you can't go back. But doesn't look like the case here.

I looked at the 8002 BIOS a little and it looks like it was part of a big batch release for AGESA 1201A on a whole bunch of different boards. But it's still AGESA 1006 like the previous C6H BIOS. I haven't read up on the FCLK bug before:



Maybe just see if 7704 or 7901 works fine and stay there if so.

 

[Mussels]

put the old chip in, and flash it to the latest BIOS unless they have a thing saying you need a specific one before it
Old chips do get small updates and fixes in the newer BIOS, unless its a buggy BETA (which you cant tell before trying it) its always worth being on the latest

 

[toilet pepper]

I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x. First things first, installation was a breeze in a b550 board. Remove old cpu then plug new cpu uninstall old chipset drivers and thats it. (thanks AMD)

This is installed inside an NR200p and an ID-Cooling 234 ARGB cooler. I know the cooler is not the best out there but when I launched Cinebench the temps shot up to 90C in seconds even at 100 % fan speed. I checked several times and it is not a bad mount or bad paste application. I also tried changing cooler orientation and netted the same results.

Reviews are conflicting and there are several reports on forums with the same concern. I tried undervolting and also Curve Optimizer (separetely) and it nets same result in 90C temps with clock boosting to 4.8Ghz single core and 4.3-4.5GHz multi-core.

From my reading rabbit hole, here are the things I found:

- 5800x gets hotter than 5900 and 5950x because all that 1.45V gets pushed into a single CCX. (makes sense but not 90C in seconds sense)
- Not all IMCs are the same. My 5800x can't overclock my RAM like my 3600. No surprise there but I didn't think the 5800x would have difficulty running my sticks at 3600Mhz
- Enabling Windows Spectre/Meltdown mitigation will net you around 3-5% performance gains.
- 90C acccording to AMD is normal. It will throttle clocks automatically if it reaches that temperature.
- The PPT/TDC/EDC limits on motherboards are all different. Mine is at 140W and PBO will utilize that to the limit and is causing the high temps. I set the PPT to 120W and the temp was lower.

 

[tabascosauz]

I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x. First things first, installation was a breeze in a b550 board. Remove old cpu then plug new cpu uninstall old chipset drivers and thats it. (thanks AMD)

This is installed inside an NR200p and an ID-Cooling 234 ARGB cooler. I know the cooler is not the best out there but when I launched Cinebench the temps shot up to 90C in seconds even at 100 % fan speed. I checked several times and it is not a bad mount or bad paste application. I also tried changing cooler orientation and netted the same results.

Reviews are conflicting and there are several reports on forums with the same concern. I tried undervolting and also Curve Optimizer (separetely) and it nets same result in 90C temps with clock boosting to 4.8Ghz single core and 4.3-4.5GHz multi-core.

From my reading rabbit hole, here are the things I found:

- 5800x gets hotter than 5900 and 5950x because all that 1.45V gets pushed into a single CCX. (makes sense but not 90C in seconds sense)
- Not all IMCs are the same. My 5800x can't overclock my RAM like my 3600. No surprise there but I didn't think the 5800x would have difficulty running my sticks at 3600Mhz
- Enabling Windows Spectre/Meltdown mitigation will net you around 3-5% performance gains.
- 90C acccording to AMD is normal. It will throttle clocks automatically if it reaches that temperature.
- The PPT/TDC/EDC limits on motherboards are all different. Mine is at 140W and PBO will utilize that to the limit and is causing the high temps. I set the PPT to 120W and the temp was lower.

1. You are correct on the heat density of the 5800X, but you won't be pushing 1.45V all-core, PBO or not. That would turn your 5800X and 212 EVO clone into molten slag if it didn't throttle.

2. There's a lot more to memory stability than blaming it on the UMC. The UMC doesn't run into trouble until past 5000. There's a chance your chip may have IF issues, the board may not be feeding it the right secondary voltages, or it may simply be an issue of memory stability. I've personally run the Aorus AX ITX at up to 4600 on single rank and 3800 dual rank.

3. 5800X comes out of the box pegged at 142W PPT, that's stock setting for any board. So is the 90C thermal threshold.

4. An easy way to cut down power and heat on 5800X is just to enable Eco Mode. The issue with trying to do it manually (Eco applies the power limits of a 65W SKU, which are 88/60/90) is that you have to turn on PBO to access the power limits, in which case all bets are off if the board firmware is bugged like mine and doesn't care what you set. @Mussels can tell you about Eco mode 5800X

 

[toilet pepper]

Yup. Everything is the same and I tried the same settings with a 5800x and it wont boot. I got my RAM to 3800Mhz stable with the specs below. Its just luck or maybe a future bios update will fix it.

Eco mode affects performance too much. I just lessened the PPT and it it never reached 90C again without performance loss.

 

[Mussels]

eco mode does limit the PPT, you're just setting numbers half way in between

sounds like your cooler cant handle a 5800x properly