TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Trekkie4]

Nice setup. I have several of these rev 2.0 boards. Newer ones support 45nm Wolfdale CPUs. E5800 with 800MHz FSB is perfect for these since it doesn't strain voltage regulation.
Regarding Win98, there's no point in running it on Q since OS can't use more then one core. But Q should be nice for dual boot setup with XP.

BTW, hi guys .

Hi there & welcome aboard!

 

[stinger608]

As Trekkie4 said above, welcome @stef to TPU and TPU's Nostalgic Club!!!!!!!

 

[Splinterdog]

I've just acquired a very nice (2006) HP Compaq DC 5700 Microtower from a customer who was doing a house clearance. Before collecting it I asked them to send a photo in case it was more trouble than it was worth, so imagine my surprise.
It needs a good clean up but is in excellent condition and weighs a ton!
Intel Pentium 4 631 Cedar Mill socket 775 3.0Ghz which is currently running at 2.392Ghz, 160Gb WD SATA and 512Mb DDR2 (now 2GB since I had some lying around) Windows XP Pro Spanish.
Not sure what I'll use it for yet, but I'll enjoy tidying it up and adding a graphics card. I may well leave the OS as it is in case I want to sell it on. Or just add it to the collection
Edit:
PCIe X16 video cards cannot be used on HP Compaq dc5700 Desktop PCs.
When trying to use PCI Express X16 (PCIe X16) video cards on HP Compaq dc5700 Desktop PCs, the following error message appears:
922 - This System only Supports SDVO Add2 in the X16 Slot
Never seen that before!

 

[MIRTAZAPINE]

Nice setup. I have several of these rev 2.0 boards. Newer ones support 45nm Wolfdale CPUs. E5800 with 800MHz FSB is perfect for these since it doesn't strain voltage regulation.
Regarding Win98, there's no point in running it on Q since OS can't use more then one core. But Q should be nice for dual boot setup with XP.

BTW, hi guys .

Ohh really! Could I buy it off you for retro builds? It a great board! I wish I could find the atx version too.

 

[stef]

I'm not selling them for the time being. Another one just popped up on local market .
I've described my experince with r2.0 regarding Wolfdale support in Vogons thread: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=60953&start=20

Boards may lack some advanced BIOS features but are very compatible regarding CPUs / memory / GPUs.
I've tested all my AGP cards on them (with or without bridge chips) and they all worked great. Only exception is Hercules Kyro II, which worked on P4P800 but not on Asrock for some reason.

 

[framebuffer]

BTW I just received two WD Raptors 500G in a paper envelope, haven't had the courage to open it and test them yet

Yesterday I tested them, along with some others I received recently
So the two 150GB I received in a paper envelope are working perfectly, have 0 bad sectors or errors and only 4 months and 24 days of uptime!
$5 well spent

Also received my MAXXMIMUM RAGE t-shirt from pixelpipes

 

[Trekkie4]

I've made some changes (hopefully improvements?) to 3rd Adison system. You know, the one with Slocket adapter & Coppermine P3 @ 933MHz. 3dfx Voodoo3 is removed in favor of TNT2 Pro and the two Voodoo2 cards were placed instead of a dial-up modem. I also took the liberty of swapping out SB Live for Aureal Vortex 2, which (if you ask me) is superior to EAX. I don't suppose someone's interested to know how V3 (or V2 for that matter, in SLI) compare against TNT2?


To make things even better, I OCed the TNT2 card (160/160) with quite disappointing results, actually.

Meanwhile, the RetroMaster 2500 (donor system, from which I removed the SLI & Aureal Vortex cards) received a slight update, now featuring Ti4800 SE instead of Ti4200, Creative SB Live! & a single V2 (12mb) card, instead of SLI.

 

[Ruru]

I put my HTPC back to air cooling as I have one project in mind for that custom loop.

Nice setup. I have several of these rev 2.0 boards. Newer ones support 45nm Wolfdale CPUs. E5800 with 800MHz FSB is perfect for these since it doesn't strain voltage regulation.
Regarding Win98, there's no point in running it on Q since OS can't use more then one core. But Q should be nice for dual boot setup with XP.

BTW, hi guys .

I'd love to have a 775 AGP board with Core 2 support. I had Asus P5P800 SE (LGA775, Intel 865PE) back in the day with a Pentium D 805 and Asus GF 6800 LE (unlocked to 6800 ps/vs and OC'd to 380/470).

Also, welcome to TPU!

 

[hat]

@framebuffer Those Raptors are begging to be speed tested (individually), and then hooked up to a crazy RAID 0 array and tested again.

It's funny how quickly SATA ports fill when you start messing around with RAID...

 

[framebuffer]

I've made some changes (hopefully improvements?) to 3rd Adison system. You know, the one with Slocket adapter & Coppermine P3 @ 933MHz. 3dfx Voodoo3 is removed in favor of TNT2 Pro and the two Voodoo2 cards were placed instead of a dial-up modem. I also took the liberty of swapping out SB Live for Aureal Vortex 2, which (if you ask me) is superior to EAX. I don't suppose someone's interested to know how V3 (or V2 for that matter, in SLI) compare against TNT2?

To make things even better, I OCed the TNT2 card (160/160) with quite disappointing results, actually.

TNT2 Pro and Voodoo3 3000 have pretty much the same performance in 16bit but of course the TNT2 supports also 32bit, so as long as it has enough power to use 32 bit you improved
What's the default freq. of your card? The Pro should be clocked at 143MHz / 167MHz so 160/160 would be a downclock for the RAM

@framebuffer Those Raptors are begging to be speed tested (individually), and then hooked up to a crazy RAID 0 array and tested again.

It's funny how quickly SATA ports fill when you start messing around with RAID...

yes I tested them when I checked the SMART status

150GB (model from 2009): 109MB/s (R) / 75MB/s (W), 7.75ms (access) (2x)
600GB (model from 2011): 122MB/s (R) / 78MB/s (W), 7.20ms (access)
500GB (model from 2014): 172MB/s (R) / 112MB/s (W), 6.60ms (access)

of course these are averages, depending of the position in the platter the performance can be up to +/- 50% (forgot to write down exact start/end speed)

 

[Mr.Scott]

I'd love to have a 775 AGP board with Core 2 support.

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[Trekkie4]

TNT2 Pro and Voodoo3 3000 have pretty much the same performance in 16bit but of course the TNT2 supports also 32bit, so as long as it has enough power to use 32 bit you improved
What's the default freq. of your card? The Pro should be clocked at 143MHz / 167MHz so 160/160 would be a downclock for the RAM

You'd think that TNT2 & Voodoo3 3000 are on the same level, true. But they're not, TNT2 wiped the floor with V3, at least on my system. I will post benchmark results as soon as I get the chance.

As for the GPU clock, the stock (factory) speed is 125MHz and the card was manufactured by Asus, under "V3800 Pro" name. Again, you'd think that it's a M64 and not a Pro GPU, but once again things are not what they seem to be. When I removed the heatsink I clearly identified "Pro" GPU. See for yourself:

 

[Vendor]

Geforce 8600M GS 512MB

i had 8400gs 1gb ddr3 when i got my sandy bridge i5 pc back in may 2011, it also advertised that pure video hd thing

 

[Pupo]

Im working on my dream pc from college days, nvidia themed. But, due to lack of money at that time, I was "gaming" on integrated graphics and later on single 8500GT :/

If someone have or knows where I can find it, Im looking for nvidia themet computer case, let me know. They were available from variarity of vendors (Coolermaster, Chieftec, Thermaltake, etc.).
I found one on ebay, but its wayyy over my budget for this.

 

[Trekkie4]

Im working on my dream pc from college days, nvidia themed. But, due to lack of money at that time, I was "gaming" on integrated graphics and later on single 8500GT :/


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If someone have or knows where I can find it, Im looking for nvidia themet computer case, let me know. They were available from variarity of vendors (Coolermaster, Chieftec, Thermaltake, etc.).
I found one on ebay, but its wayyy over my budget for this.

Nice one but alas too modern for my taste...

Da li se to meni čini, ili ovo postaje mini PCE kutak?

 

[framebuffer]

You'd think that TNT2 & Voodoo3 3000 are on the same level, true. But they're not, TNT2 wiped the floor with V3, at least on my system. I will post benchmark results as soon as I get the chance.

As for the GPU clock, the stock (factory) speed is 125MHz and the card was manufactured by Asus, under "V3800 Pro" name. Again, you'd think that it's a M64 and not a Pro GPU, but once again things are not what they seem to be. When I removed the heatsink I clearly identified "Pro" GPU. See for yourself:

pretty sure they perform very closely in 16bit, but post your result yes
I can put together an equal system in case, so we can compare

regarding the TNT2 clocks, yes this should be a Pro, what software are you using to read them (and overclock)?

 

[Caring1]

If someone have or knows where I can find it, Im looking for nvidia themed computer case, let me know. They were available from variety of vendors (Coolermaster, Chieftec, Thermaltake, etc.).
I found one on ebay, but its wayyy over my budget for this.

My son has one almost identical if not exactly the same as that case, but as we're in Australia it wouldn't be worth the shipping cost.
Perhaps look for a Razer themed case too as the green matches the Nvidia theme.

 

[Trekkie4]

pretty sure they perform very closely in 16bit, but post your result yes
I can put together an equal system in case, so we can compare

regarding the TNT2 clocks, yes this should be a Pro, what software are you using to read them (and overclock)?

Okie dokie. So, here it is ... again, not something you'd expect to see.


As you can see, the results are pretty conclusive. First place TNT2 (OC, 160/160), second place fully stock Asus V3800 running at 125MHz (it says so in the specs, but also the OC app, more about that in a sec), third place Voodoo3 3000 AGP (running at stock clock speed) & last place Voodoo2 in SLI, 2x Creative 3D Blaster 12MB


Regarding software, I'm using the original Asus-branded OC app called Smart Doctor2.


And yes, please do... If you got the time & patience, see if you can reproduce these results on your own. Here are my full specs for this particular build:

Asus P3B-F (latest revision)
Intel P3 933 (Socket 370, running through a slocket adapter)
2x 128MB PC133
Asus V3800 Pro (TNT2 Pro)
2x 3dfx Voodoo2 12mb
Windows 98 SE

 

[framebuffer]

Okie dokie. So, here it is ... again, not something you'd expect to see.


As you can see, the results are pretty conclusive. First place TNT2 (OC, 160/160), second place fully stock Asus V3800 running at 125MHz (it says so in the specs, but also the OC app, more about that in a sec), third place Voodoo3 3000 AGP (running at stock clock speed) & last place Voodoo2 in SLI, 2x Creative 3D Blaster 12MB


Regarding software, I'm using the original Asus-branded OC app called Smart Doctor2.


And yes, please do... If you got the time & patience, see if you can reproduce these results on your own. Here are my full specs for this particular build:

Asus P3B-F (latest revision)
Intel P3 933 (Socket 370, running through a slocket adapter)
2x 128MB PC133
Asus V3800 Pro (TNT2 Pro)
2x 3dfx Voodoo2 12mb
Windows 98 SE

Unfortunately 3DMark 99 has been proven to be unreliable and buggy, I never use/consider it.
For 1999 cards ideal is use QuakeIII Arena, Unreal Tournament and 3DMark 2000
You can also throw in Incoming and Expendable or something older like Quake II

Regarding the clocks, it's possible that Smart Doctor is relying on a profile and not reading the real clocks, what I would do in your situation is to set Default (or "Defult" ) values in SmartDoctor 2, uninstall the tool (reboot) and install RivaTuner (reboot when it asks for clock detection). I'd try also PowerStrip to see if the values do match with RivaTuner

 

[Trekkie4]

Unfortunately 3DMark 99 has been proven to be unreliable and buggy, I never use/consider it.
For 1999 cards ideal is use QuakeIII Arena, Unreal Tournament and 3DMark 2000
You can also throw in Incoming and Expendable or something older like Quake II

Regarding the clocks, it's possible that Smart Doctor is relying on a profile and not reading the real clocks, what I would do in your situation is to set Default (or "Defult" ) values in SmartDoctor 2, uninstall the tool (reboot) and install RivaTuner (reboot when it asks for clock detection). I'd try also PowerStrip to see if the values do match with RivaTuner

Hmm, OK then. I'll play with OC tools once I safely (and fully) back up the system

I've been told, or rather suggested by someone that TNT2 can take a LOT more OC. And since Smart Doctor2 doesn't allow anything beyond 160MHz (for the core clock), I already considered the option of trying out RivaTuner. But I definitely need to upgrade the GPU heatsink first...!

 

[Ruru]

IIRC Powerstrip is also fine with those older cards. I remember using that with GF2 MX back in the day before I switched to Rivatuner.

 

[Splinterdog]

When you need to get down to the metal with an HP build, you realise they are all bomb proof and can't be faulted on build quality. If only the mobo wasn't ADD2 support only. That really pissed me off, so I'm selling it on.

 

[Ruru]

When you need to get down to the metal with an HP build, you realise they are all bomb proof and can't be faulted on build quality. If only the mobo wasn't ADD2 support only. That really pissed me off, so I'm selling it on.
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Wasn't that ADD2 just a DVI output for the iGPU or something useless like that?

 

[Splinterdog]

Wasn't that ADD2 just a DVI output for the iGPU or something useless like that?

Exactly that. In other words the motherboard has been hobbled and can't be upgraded in terms of GPU.
Pretty short sighted if you ask me, even if it is only supposed to be a business machine.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Exactly that. In other words the motherboard has been hobbled and can't be upgraded in terms of GPU.
Pretty short sighted if you ask me, even if it is only supposed to be a business machine.

Huh. Why even stick an X16 slot on it then? Does it still have full-width connection to the PCH?