XFX Amd Radeon VII, No Display, vBios flash doesn't work and Code 43...

[Vlad62]

This means Your Windows driver not loaded correctly for some reason. It may cause by several things at GPU side, even if some power is out of range or any other hw issue in GPU side.

Thank you. And what would you advise me to do, if I would like to fix it? I really would like to do everything, before I put the card on Ebay, I tried reflashing and Pixel Patcher, even put the card in the fridge for 30 minutes to freeze it (one guy advised in the video) - what else could be done?

 

[gK_hun]

Since i wrote my last comment, my friend is in the same boat. The card gone dark during the night after he shut down his machine. We are thinking, that it is because it had got some cold air, when it shutted down, and while it was still hot. It is doing the same, it cannot see the GPU Clock, nor the memory amount or type. So it must be a common issue. The led and the fans are on, it received no phisical damage, nothing. PSU's were more then enough, machines are working normally. I even tried in Ubuntu, it is the same. No clocks, no RAM amount. I'm nearly sure that both of the cards has the problem what @dialab described with his pictures.

I have a friend , who is familiar with soldering and all the things, and sometimes he fixes GPU's. One of the cards had local warranty, we did sent it back, now we are waiting for the answer. The other card had SCAN UK warranty, where they said that it is not covered by any warranty cuz I'm not the original owner.. Such a dumb policy... So I'm thinking to disassemble this card, and my friend adviced to do a proccess called "reflow" . What do you think, can that work?

THX in advance,

G

 

[dialab]

Not so much i guess. As i have mention, code 43 is in radeon vii 99,99% mostly hw error. Means bad mcu or connection to pcb via BGA. In my repair history i have see in bench 2 radeon vii what have some other issues, common fail by users with bad connections to pcie or some physical damage in connectors. Just reflow via IR not helps typicaly as it mostly get worse from center BAG solder mcu connection after reflow. So not so good news regarding repair. As i have all needed equipment, i have found it too time waste project. In case i spend lot time to reball it and after i found that mcu also have some damage caused by previous owner. If there was new reballed mcu from factory what after reflow will start work, then yes. Then it was easy case, but as we don't have such mcu's, then hard to tell You what to do.

 

[Vlad62]

Not so much i guess. As i have mention, code 43 is in radeon vii 99,99% mostly hw error. Means bad mcu or connection to pcb via BGA. In my repair history i have see in bench 2 radeon vii what have some other issues, common fail by users with bad connections to pcie or some physical damage in connectors. Just reflow via IR not helps typicaly as it mostly get worse from center BAG solder mcu connection after reflow. So not so good news regarding repair. As i have all needed equipment, i have found it too time waste project. In case i spend lot time to reball it and after i found that mcu also have some damage caused by previous owner. If there was new reballed mcu from factory what after reflow will start work, then yes. Then it was easy case, but as we don't have such mcu's, then hard to tell You what to do.

Thanks for details... One more question. There are a lot of proposal on Ebay recently with defective Radeon VII (I myself have got 2 times 700 Euro proposal, but didn't use it because had a hope to repair or RMA the card). May be more offerings, than of the working ones. Sometimes it looks fantastic, for example

Radeon VII 50th Anniversary Edition-Gold Edition * Nur Bauteile * funktioniert nicht | eBay

Finden Sie Top-Angebote für Radeon VII 50th Anniversary Edition-Gold Edition * Nur Bauteile * funktioniert nicht bei eBay. Kostenlose Lieferung für viele Artikel!

www.ebay.de

How would you explain such a mad prices?

 

[dialab]

Its because of radeon vii can be run mining as almost most effective card until now. Working 7 cost starts from 1,5K € and there is hope that it can be repaired I saw lately 250€ winning bid for defective 7. From past i bought some from 50€ pcs. If You look on GPU market, then You can see, there not so much for sale, thats main reason.

 

[Vlad62]

Its because of radeon vii can be run mining as almost most effective card until now. Working 7 cost starts from 1,5K € and there is hope that it can be repaired I saw lately 250€ winning bid for defective 7. From past i bought some from 50€ pcs. If You look on GPU market, then You can see, there not so much for sale, thats main reason.

Frankly, I have lost my hope to repair the card after reading your posts. You said, code 43 is in radeon vii 99,99% mostly hw error, and even you as a specialist can not fix your Radeons. Do you think, those who buy these card for such high prices are better specialists? Or they can somehow manipulate with RMAs or so? Yes, there are 250 bids, but there were also 925 Euro bid, I wrote to the seller and asked him, if he really has sold the card. He answered, that it was already payed and he himself couldn't hope he could sell it for such a price.
I am puzzled...

 

[gK_hun]

Frankly, I have lost my hope to repair the card after reading your posts. You said, code 43 is in radeon vii 99,99% mostly hw error, and even you as a specialist can not fix your Radeons. Do you think, those who buy these card for such high prices are better specialists? Or they can somehow manipulate with RMAs or so? Yes, there are 250 bids, but there were also 925 Euro bid, I wrote to the seller and asked him, if he really has sold the card. He answered, that it was already payed and he himself couldn't hope he could sell it for such a price.
I am puzzled...

I feel the same m8. I saw lots and lots of defected cards sold through ebay, and i think the same. Why would that people buy something with just a little bit of hope that they can repair the cards. Mine even has the warranty sticker on the back, and honestly i don't know what to do. To get a card with the same performance, i would pay double as i've paid back in time for the VII. Even if i sell it with this defect, i would need to spend lots of money to get a replacement.

If there is any chance that it can be saved, then i would open the card and check, maybe it is something else, but like @dialab said, there is only 0.01% chance that it is something else.

What do you think, what will you do with yours?

 

[Vlad62]

I feel the same m8. I saw lots and lots of defected cards sold through ebay, and i think the same. Why would that people buy something with just a little bit of hope that they can repair the cards. Mine even has the warranty sticker on the back, and honestly i don't know what to do. To get a card with the same performance, i would pay double as i've paid back in time for the VII. Even if i sell it with this defect, i would need to spend lots of money to get a replacement.

If there is any chance that it can be saved, then i would open the card and check, maybe it is something else, but like @dialab said, there is only 0.01% chance that it is something else.

What do you think, what will you do with yours?

I would suggest only two ways: either some people DO repair the cards and everybody hopes he will be successful or somebody can buy it as a possible rarity for the future collections (since it was only 5000 produced, and many probably destroyed). May be the first version is more probable...

 

[gK_hun]

I would suggest only two ways: either some people DO repair the cards and everybody hopes he will be successful or somebody can buy it as a possible rarity for the future collections (since it was only 5000 produced, and many probably destroyed). May be the first version is more probable...

We tried a re-flow today, sadly it did not resurrected the card. I'm waiting for some info from China, the guy who did the re-flow has a contact who are now trying to get new MCU's. If it will be for a reasonable price, i will definately try with one card. If there will be no new or refurbished MCU's, then i think i will try to sell it as a BRICK

 

[Vlad62]

We tried a re-flow today, sadly it did not resurrected the card. I'm waiting for some info from China, the guy who did the re-flow has a contact who are now trying to get new MCU's. If it will be for a reasonable price, i will definately try with one card. If there will be no new or refurbished MCU's, then i think i will try to sell it as a BRICK

Good luck and let me know how it goes... Do you have a problem with GPU itself or another chip?

By the way, when I see such videos, I feel like my Radeon could be repaired in 2 hours

But I already started to sell it as a defective one...

 

[wytse1999]

Well well well, I am not the only one with this problem I see. I have bought a used card on the market for 1350 euro's, it has code 43. The seller cannot be contacted in anyway.
At this point I could sell the card but I would rather learn something and fix or destroy the card then selling it for 200 bucks.
Maybe my UNI has a BGA rework station, I will shoot them a mail today.

 

[gK_hun]

Well well well, I am not the only one with this problem I see. I have bought a used card on the market for 1350 euro's, it has code 43. The seller cannot be contacted in anyway.
At this point I could sell the card but I would rather learn something and fix or destroy the card then selling it for 200 bucks.
Maybe my UNI has a BGA rework station, I will shoot them a mail today.

Hi!

Please update us if you are able to fix it

 

[Hurank_07]

Hi
From what I've been reading on reddit, they say that the Hynix HBM is giving these error 43 problems, but the Samsung HBM is not.
Any way to know which HBM memory manufacturer it is?
If the problem is the HBM, could a BGA fix the memory or is it just a waste of time?

 

[Vlad62]

What is interesting, I have a problem with Asrock graphic card, also bought recently on Amazon Warehouse Deals - I have ordered an RX 5700XT version, but the card is recognized everywhere as simply RX 5700 - and after some correspondence (they offered me to reflash Vbios with their program) they forwarded me to RMA Service, they asked for my invoice and then offered me to send the card to Netherlands for repair or replacement!
So, the question is - why Sapphire can not let me to do a RMA, if Asrock can do it? Is it just a mercy of Asrock? Can I insist on RMA or? They answered me, that the AGREEMENT with Amazon does not allow them to let me open a RMA case, but how can it be so?
What do you think?
P.S. I have opened a ticket by Sapphire again and wrote that Asrock let me to do a RMA. Will be waiting for the answer...

 

[Rogerbacon]

Hi
From what I've been reading on reddit, they say that the Hynix HBM is giving these error 43 problems, but the Samsung HBM is not.
Any way to know which HBM memory manufacturer it is?
If the problem is the HBM, could a BGA fix the memory or is it just a waste of time?

Actually I am the original owner of two of these, one Hynix one Samsung, and the Samsung is the one who is responsible for my present presence, despite being far superior in terms of bin/performance. They were run together in dual x16 slots on an x399 Taichi, so my rig feels like an AMD ghost pirate ship chanting "dead platform", but the conditions were pretty similar for most of their life. Does anyone know which board partner made the 50th anniversary gold-edition red-colored models? All it came with in the box is a slip listing a 1 year limited warranty from AMD.

Interesting that these cards are dropping like flies now right after warranty expiry; it feels like Lisa Su sent out a hologram of herself saying "execute error 43" when they EOLd the VII. Sounds like the makings of something that rhymes with 'crass traction slaw fruit' right on the heels of the one for bulldozer they just finished with >< lol

 

[Uzumush]

If anybody has Radeon VII , i request detailed photo with what bios it originaly has, and what memory (samsung or hynix) if we will collect just two cards with samsung and hynix, we might proceed with downgrading Samsung cards to lowest frequency and timings, with what hynix currently has. but i only have samsung card, so cant proceed with searching for straps or etc differences to work with (it might work, and, i guess it will not require special hacked drivers etc). actually if anybody wants to sell their cards like for 100$ i will buy it to make some insane sh*t, currently im in Minsk, Belarus. and have one

Spoiler

i have all special equipment required, included leaked amd linux-based tserver test for Radeon VII and others, including Vega.

if you have linux you can try
# lspci -v
if your card has no address to video memory, it means degraded card memory, and, i believe, there is a little chance, if it is Samsung chips to somewhat modify board straps or card bios.
But, as i said. has no material to work with.
PLEASE, IF YOU CAN. I BEG YOU TO MAKE HIGH QUALITY pictures of Vega VII from both sides

two of these, one Hynix one Samsung

i will help, in case of receiving high quality pictures of them)) waiting for now.

 

[GerKNG]

Radeon VIIs have the tendency to just die.
i mean... go to ebay and search for Radeon VII.
at least 75% of all Cards listed are "for parts only" and with the same problem.
hope you can get it fixed but with the history of dead radeon VIIs... i don't know.

 

[Uzumush]

Radeon VIIs have the tendency to just die.
i mean... go to ebay and search for Radeon VII.
at least 75% of all Cards listed are "for parts only" and with the same problem.
hope you can get it fixed but with the history of dead radeon VIIs... i don't know.

there is no way to fix it. this hbm2 memory just dies. and i'm 100% sure. actually gpu is alive, but cant work with memory.
so, i wish to try trick Radeon vii samsung cards to work as "hynix" bcs they have highest latency.
there is a chance that degraded memory might start work on slightly higher latency.

Radeon VII Samsung, waiting for you guys to post card with Hynix

Spoiler

 

[bobbybluz]

I posted this before not long ago. While speaking on the telephone with tech support for one of the major GPU manufacturers about something else the subject of Radeon VII's came up. He told me his company was unable to do RMA's anymore because repair parts are no longer available from AMD. They've had a failure rate of over 20% of their own branded Radeons VII's. He wouldn't disclose specifically which part is failing but said it's the same one in all Radeon VII's. He also said AMD actually manufactured all Radeon VII's then sent them to the different vendors for branding.

 

[dialab]

there is no way to fix it. this hbm2 memory just dies. and i'm 100% sure. actually gpu is alive, but cant work with memory.
so, i wish to try trick Radeon vii samsung cards to work as "hynix" bcs they have highest latency.
there is a chance that degraded memory might start work on slightly higher latency.

Radeon VII Samsung, waiting for you guys to post card with Hynix

Spoiler

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Not correct, MCU with HMB2 is not Your problem in most cases.

 

[rnschnei]

Not correct, MCU with HMB2 is not Your problem in most cases.

Hi Dialab, just to be clear and your earlier post, you think it is mostly likely bad MCU (but that could be related to the integrated memory or maybe microBGA connection/problem?) or bad connection to the PCB?

 

[Uzumush]

Hi, we actually tried a lot.
thats basically impossible for a man without any professional repair eq-t

first:
Why do they die?
ans:
there are actually 16 memory chips!!! and they are mounted on a top of each other and they easilly lose contact with each other in result

second:
Maybe i can do something to bring it back?
ans:
No, you cant.

third:
Did EPOXUHA succeeded making frankinstein?
ans:
HELL YES
==
how?

we slightly cut compound around all the memory chips and added flux under every single chip n fried it ALOT as barbeque for a total of three times. and on the last, when we completely flooded it with flux and tapped every bga chip on gpu package with twizzers... IT FUCKING RETURNED TO LIFE OMG

but it died almoust instantly on load SAD but predicted, as such craziness cant last.

also, i'm quite proficient at making garbage dead cards come back to life, hah, look on this i have accomplished recently and try to guess what this card originally was official drivers without mods, only hardware and firmware hacks

Not correct, MCU with HMB2 is not Your problem in most cases.

yes, thats correct. I also inhacked some stuff from Tserver software and yea, gpu mem clock eq == 0 Mhz, so basically it cant even initialize memory and gives up on running....
as experimented, we cut gpu inhalf, and it is made of few laers of silicon, so some of them most likely lose contact, due to heat-n-cool operation, or just behinder silicon just cracks

Radeon VIIs have the tendency to just die.
i mean... go to ebay and search for Radeon VII.
at least 75% of all Cards listed are "for parts only" and with the same problem.
hope you can get it fixed but with the history of dead radeon VIIs... i don't know.

friend of mine, who is miner himself as i am bought few VII and they all died in just a half a year. thankfully they paid off themselves and shop returned the money!

 

[dialab]

I see, there still hope Good!
What i can update regarding this thread, that pcb side is very problematic, there many cards where corner bga pads comes open.
In this case, problem is in PCB side, but fix it so it will be good forever, hard task i must say. I will not say, that is not possible, it is, just hard.