PowerColor Quietly Outs Radeon RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate

[btarunr]

PowerColor quietly launched the Radeon RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate graphics card. Not to be confused with the RX 6900 XT Red Devil Limited Edition, which is essentially an RX 6900 XT Red Devil with a few more accessories in the box; the new Red Devil Ultimate ships with higher factory-overclocked speeds. The default "OC" BIOS runs the card at 2235 MHz game clocks and 2425 MHz max boost frequency; compared to 2105 MHz game and 2340 MHz max boost frequency on the standard RX 6900 XT Red Devil. The silent BIOS of the Red Devil Ultimate runs it at 2135/2335 MHz, which is the same as the "OC" BIOS on the standard Red Devil.

HotHardware, which reviewed the card, reports that the Radeon RX 6900 XT Red Devil Ultimate is based on a higher bin of the "Navi 21" silicon. Our own sources tell us that this card is part of a new wave of RX 6900 XT custom-design graphics cards that AMD partners will be launching in the coming days, based on higher bins of the silicon, enabling both higher clocks on the tin, and better boost frequency sustainability.

Update 17:26 UTC: The Red Devil Ultimate is based on AMD's new Navi 21 XTXH GPU, which has the device ID 0x73AF, whereas all existing Navi 21 variants are 0x73BF. There's claims that XTXH is a special bin with better OC potential, lower leakage, etc. Whether that is true is unknown at this time, it's also unknown whether these cards come with truly increased OC adjustment limits in Wattman, or whether a special BIOS/driver is necessary. Next GPU-Z release will add proper detection for Navi 21 XTXH.



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[Fluffmeister]

Sadly the two cards available worldwide have already sold.

 

[PerfectWave]

I got one Kappa

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Hmm, in the GPU database in site when choose a GPU bottom has a "Retail boards based on this design"

When will add new quietly released models from all trademarks from last around 30 days? Especially for 6900XT but and for all other graphic cards with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

 

[W1zzard]

Hmm, in the GPU database in site when choose a GPU bottom has a "Retail boards based on this design"

When will add new quietly released models from all trademarks from last around 30 days? Especially for 6900XT but and for all other graphic cards with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

@T4C Fantasy

 

[skizzo]

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true....but I'd say it's more like....

"ohhhhh you should just go to the other GPU manufacturer.....ohhh there isn't any other ones....ohhh thats too bad!"

 

[springs113]

true....but I'd say it's more like....

"ohhhhh you should just go to the other GPU manufacturer.....ohhh there isn't any other ones....ohhh thats too bad!"

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It wouldn't matter if Intel or any other co' were in the process either. The shortage would still hit either way.

 

[medi01]

Sadly the two cards available worldwide have already sold.

Something something AMD availability something.
Something something "only a couple of thousand 6700XTs to be delivered to EU" something.

Meanwhile at mindfactory.de:

https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/mef2bs https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/mjazat

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Quietly Outs

This is almost an oxymoron. Might as well say 'secretly launched'.

 

[voltage]

"Red Devil Ultimate" how utterly childish.

 

[ratirt]

Better silicon quality? Maybe you can undervolt it quite a bit since OC is rather harder to accomplish due to power limit. I wonder if AMD will take off this locked power with the driver.

 

[watzupken]

Better silicon quality? Maybe you can undervolt it quite a bit since OC is rather harder to accomplish due to power limit. I wonder if AMD will take off this locked power with the driver.

I feel the existing RX 6900 XT can easily achieve the supposed "upgrade" here. Considering that there is a shortage of chips, I don't think they have the luxury of picking better binned chips. The reason could well be to increase prices on the sly, without backlash from potential buyers. After all, they just introduce a supposedly higher end version, and choose to produce more of it than the "lower end" versions.

 

[ratirt]

I feel the existing RX 6900 XT can easily achieve the supposed "upgrade" here. Considering that there is a shortage of chips, I don't think they have the luxury of picking better binned chips. The reason could well be to increase prices on the sly, without backlash from potential buyers. After all, they just introduce a supposedly higher end version, and choose to produce more of it than the "lower end" versions.

I kinda agree. Besides the 6900XT red devil that I got boost higher than what's been said here by the OP. Not to mention, you can still get it OC and you always hit the power limit. If this is actually a fact that the silicon quality is better, (good chance it is) it's so small you would not even notice that. Either way, you still hit the power limit anyway.
I wouldn't touch the price at this point. It's been all over the place lately and justifying if it's expensive or not is not an option here nowadays. It's more like can you afford it or not type of thing.

 

[lukart]

Looks like PowerColor did well with their Red Devil, even with 300W + power to the GPU, Hothardware said to be with 80c on Tjunction and reasonably quiet.
The guys at overclocking.com said they will have another run with LN2, let's see if they will cross the 3Ghz mark.

 

[nguyen]

So silicon supply are tight and AMD want to make higher profit out of limited supply, sound likes AMD just love money as much as Nvidia don't you think.

 

[ratirt]

So silicon supply are tight and AMD want to make higher profit out of limited supply, sound likes AMD just love money as much as Nvidia don't you think.

It is Powercolor not AMD. Nothing stops AIB from choosing better chips and sell them for a premium with their own design premium product.

 

[W1zzard]

It is Powercolor not AMD. Nothing stops AIB from choosing better chips and sell them for a premium with their own design premium product.

XTXH is a chip variant created by AMD, AIBs don't have the technical means. Also they aren't allowed to set the limits the way they want, AMD prohibits it

 

[nguyen]

It is Powercolor not AMD. Nothing stops AIB from choosing better chips and sell them for a premium with their own design premium product.

This is a new chip with different Board ID, which tells me AMD did the binning and sell them to OEM at higher price.
Nvidia has done this before with Turing, my old 2080Ti use the TU102-300 chip instead of the TU102-300A chip that exist on overclocked models with higher power limits and better clocks, BIOS between non-A and A chip is not interchangeble.
I wouldn't be surprised when the higher binned 6900XT are selling for 1200+usd MSRP.

 

[W1zzard]

Board ID

Device ID

The closest to "Board ID" is the PCI subsystem ID, 2414 in the GPU-Z screenshot above, which AIBs can freely change. Many are lazy and reuse their IDs though

 

[ratirt]

XTXH is a chip variant created by AMD, AIBs don't have the technical means. Also they aren't allowed to set the limits the way they want, AMD prohibits it

Yes just like every other company does, the binning. If the company wants to get the best binned chip to make it a tier of a product in the stack what seems to be the problem?
Silicon lottery sells products that are only highly binned Intel CPUs (for example) giving a guarantee of the higher than ordinary frequency of the product. Should we blame Intel for selling those since there is a demand?
People sell anything these days. Girl cooking a soup in her underwear or a dude doing pushups in front of a camera if there is someone who is willing to buy it. Everyone is aware that there are binning procedures in basically every product. PowerColor wants to sell premium product (specific bins) and AMD can provide this. They just purchase chosen chips with a premium slap a premium sticker on it with a premium price and boom you got another product tier. There will be finite low quantities of the product but there will be people willing to buy it still.
It doesn't matter if the product has a power limit. Better bins will dissipate less heat, will use lower voltage requirements and thus the clocks will be higher even if the power limit is the same as other locked 6900xt's products.
Companies are looking for profits and everyone here admits, that this is business. High binned products being sold for a premium by an AIB and suddenly everyone is against it? it is a premium market.

 

[W1zzard]

Should we blame

You're 100% correct, and there is nothing wrong with creating a product, that the market will buy, at a price as high as the market is willing to pay

I just tried to provide insight into the technical abilities of AIBs vs AMD

PowerColor wants to

XTXH did not originate from PowerColor, multiple other AIBs have cards coming, too, based on this GPU

 

[nguyen]

Device ID

The closest to "Board ID" is the PCI subsystem ID, 2414 in the GPU-Z screenshot above, which AIBs can freely change. Many are lazy and reuse their IDs though

Oh right it's Device ID, jup having different Device ID meaning I couldn't flash my non-A 2080Ti with higher TDP BIOS, maybe this will happen to 6900XT owners too.

Funny AMD never mentioned about higher tier 6900XT, basically current 6900XT owners paid a premium for nothing since their 6900XTs are not the best that AMD offer

 

[ratirt]

XTXH did not originate from PowerColor, multiple other AIBs have cards coming, too, based on this GPU

Yes but if PowerColor is willing to create a new tier of premium products AMD is going to provide that if possible. Apparently it is possible so I don't understand the dislike here. That's what I'm after.
Silicon Lottery also request Intel to get the best binned CPUs (like 9900KS) It was Silicon Lottery that has requested it not Intel forcing them to sell those only as exclusives.
The point here is, people acknowledge the business side and agree that the companies are to make profit and improve the profit margins.
Stating the obvious with regret like our colleague did with a pity or disappointment

So silicon supply are tight and AMD want to make higher profit out of limited supply, sound likes AMD just love money as much as Nvidia don't you think.

Love money? nor NV or AMD love money. It's irrelevant. They are companies and this is what they do to get money.
It's like saying lawyers love frauds and crimes etc. because that gives them work and earnings.

You're 100% correct, and there is nothing wrong with creating a product, that the market will buy, at a price as high as the market is willing to pay

I just tried to provide insight into the technical abilities of AIBs vs AMD

I appreciate your points and I do understand but that was not the point I tried to make. hopefully it is clear now.

 

[TechLurker]

Seems like a missed opportunity to just name it "Devil 13", rather than "Red Devil Ultimate". Moreso considering it's a better bin of already flagship cores and Devil 13 used to be the ultra-special variants.

 

[N3M3515]

Ultimate waste of money.....