WCG-TPU Cruncher's Hardware/Tech Support Discussion Thread

[phill]

Did any of you participate in the OPN/GPU beta? I'm curious to how different CPU/GPU/OS stack up.
Below is Michael (i7970/2070/WIN7 and folding during the run), 2700X (well 2700X, 2060, Linux, no folding) and last my 3900X, 2070S, Linux which also were folding during the run. I only ran one con-current GPU task per CPU and it seems like it was folding that suffered the most.

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And yes the duration of each run was 2-3 minutes with the fastest being the 2700X (no folding, 127 seconds) and the old i7-970 with a folding GPU took 177 seconds. That is HCC/GPU points who those that remember the happy days. From the forum I could see that at least one was claiming 1100-1300 with an unknown GPU!

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GPUs are efficient.

I believe I was running them on my 3900X but I can't see any in the valid list but not sure how long those results stay around...

My 2700 has a 1070 in it, downclocked to about 80% power limit, the 1700X with the two 1080 Ti's in, downclocked to 60% power limit. The 3900X has my 3090 in there, again that's power limited to 80% as well but no results showing for that one but I do believe some where using it...

I'll see if there's somewhere else the data might be hiding....

 

[mstenholm]

I believe I was running them on my 3900X but I can't see any in the valid list but not sure how long those results stay around...

My 2700 has a 1070 in it, downclocked to about 80% power limit, the 1700X with the two 1080 Ti's in, downclocked to 60% power limit. The 3900X has my 3090 in there, again that's power limited to 80% as well but no results showing for that one but I do believe some where using it...

I'll see if there's somewhere else the data might be hiding....

You ran them on the 1700X and 2700 for sure.

 

[phill]

You ran them on the 1700X and 2700 for sure.

Sure did, surprised I didn't see anything for the 3090 to be honest because that's setup the same as the others, they are doing the same work as that setup.... Strange indeed!!

 

[stinger608]

I just allowed GPU on 2 and updated, got nothing.

Pretty much the same here? Haven't seen a single GPU Beta come through on any of the 3 systems I have crunching.

 

[PaulieG]

Anyone know which is putting out more points per day, a i7 10700 or a Ryzen 3600xt? I can put together one more cruncher and need to decide which chip to use, and which to sell.

 

[mstenholm]

Pretty much the same here? Haven't seen a single GPU Beta come through on any of the 3 systems I have crunching.

The last beta was sent on the 31th of March.
When you re-start your PC take a look at the top of the event log for BOINC Manager. Does it say that your GPU is Cl 1.2 good? Does GPU_Z say that your GPU is CL ready? Your GPUs should be good. Did you check Use my Nvidia GPU and answer yes to Do work on my ....?

Anyone know which is putting out more points per day, a i7 10700 or a Ryzen 3600xt? I can put together one more cruncher and need to decide which chip to use, and which to sell.

The only way to KNOW is to own both and run both in a similar manner. My guess is that the 16 Intel threads beat the 12 AMDs.

 

[PaulieG]

The last beta was sent on the 31th of March.
When you re-start your PC take a look at the top of the event log for BOINC Manager. Does it say that your GPU is Cl 1.2 good? Does GPU_Z say that your GPU is CL ready? Your GPUs should be good. Did you check Use my Nvidia GPU and answer yes to Do work on my ....?
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The only way to KNOW is to own both and run both in a similar manner. My guess is that the 16 Intel threads beat the 12 AMDs.

I figured as much on both counts. I suppose I was hoping someone who was running both would see my question and offer some perspective, otherwise I'll just I'll operate under the assumption that more threads is better with current gen chips from AMD and Intel.

 

[stinger608]

Use my Nvidia GPU and answer yes to Do work on my ....?

Where are you seeing this?????

I've looked at both simple view and advanced view and not seeing this at all?

 

[mstenholm]

Where are you seeing this?????

I've looked at both simple view and advanced view and not seeing this at all?

GPU config
You have to change your profile.....not the one in the manager but the WEB one.

 

[stinger608]

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I have a buddy of mine on another forum that has a 4 x 4gb set of 2133 DDR4 that OC's to 2400 that he is trying to sell. He only wants $70 shipped for it.

I hope I'm not out of line posting this here. If so I sincerely apologize for posting this in here.

Got him to take a couple of pictures

Spoiler

 

[phill]

It's all ok with me @stinger608 since it's a hardware related thread and its for the guys of the WCG team. Can't see any harm. If there's any interest though, please could people get in touch with @stinger608 through PM please?

Obviously post up if you buy the RAM and get them installed in a WCG Crunching rig for TPU, I mean, it's the law right??

 

[thebluebumblebee]

So I checked my event log on my system that has the GTX 980 Ti and it said no usable GPU detected or something like that which explains why I've not gotten any GPU work.. So, I think that I'm ready to ditch Linux, especially since seeing that @Norton has almost completely switched.

My question is this, did I see/hear that with the W10 Pro, automatic updates can be turned off?

BTW, I don't have anything against Linux, just my inability to learn yet another OS and all of its intricacies.

 

[stinger608]

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I have a buddy of mine on another forum that has a 4 x 4gb set of 2133 DDR4 that OC's to 2400 that he is trying to sell. He only wants $70 shipped for it.

Got notice that he has sold that ram.

 

[phill]

So I checked my event log on my system that has the GTX 980 Ti and it said no usable GPU detected or something like that which explains why I've not gotten any GPU work.. So, I think that I'm ready to ditch Linux, especially since seeing that @Norton has almost completely switched.

My question is this, did I see/hear that with the W10 Pro, automatic updates can be turned off?

BTW, I don't have anything against Linux, just my inability to learn yet another OS and all of its intricacies.

I know you can pause them for so many weeks and then it might update, but it seems that my 3900X rig, hasn't updated in a while (according to TeamViewer) but I do believe there's a little piece of software that you can use and can turn them off.... I think that's what I've managed to do for this one! Windows 10 Debloater? I think it's called? Jayztwocents did a 'review' of it. Might be worth a look @thebluebumblebee ? Jayztwocents Win 10 Debloater

 

[thebluebumblebee]

That system, a i7-6700K with the GTX 980 Ti Kingpin, has been steady as a rock, until I tried to load the Nvidia graphics driver under Clear Linux and the screen went black. Okay, said I, goodbye to Clear, hello W10. Except that I now have a system that doesn't want to boot sometimes and when it does, the screen flashes to black. AAAH! I'm going to update the BIOS and start over. This was only supposed to take a few minutes.....

 

[phill]

That system, a i7-6700K with the GTX 980 Ti Kingpin, has been steady as a rock, until I tried to load the Nvidia graphics driver under Clear Linux and the screen went black. Okay, said I, goodbye to Clear, hello W10. Excep,t that I now have a system that doesn't want to boot sometimes and when it does, the screen flashes to black. AAAH! I'm going to update the BIOS and start over. This was only supposed to take a few minutes.....

Yeah, that'll never happen.... Few minutes job normally means a week and a half of messing about and then finding out its a two minute fix.... Well that's my experience

 

[PaulieG]

For those of you who are using your gpu's to crunch, does it stress gpu's as hard as it stresses cpu's?

 

[mstenholm]

For those of you who are using your gpu's to crunch, does it stress gpu's as hard as it stresses cpu's?

If you just let one unit run at the time (not making a app_config.xml) then the load goes between 0 and 100% with 47% in average when I checked over a 15 minute period for my 2070. I fold on my GPUs and they are loaded 95-100% 24/7 and I haven't killed any yet. OK a few of my older AMDs did need a slight de-tune.

 

[PaulieG]

If you just let one unit run at the time (not making a app_config.xml) then the load goes between 0 and 100% with 47% in average when I checked over a 15 minute period for my 2070. I fold on my GPUs and they are loaded 95-100% 24/7 and I haven't killed any yet. OK a few of my older AMDs did need a slight de-tune.

This is helpful. Any way to put a cap/limiter on the gpu usage?

 

[mstenholm]

This is helpful. Any way to put a cap/limiter on the gpu usage?

As far as I know only by reducing power limit and/or clock but that would be universal.

 

[PaulieG]

As far as I know only by reducing power limit and/or clock but that would be universal.

Yeah, I would do that anyway. I was hoping to be able to limit to like 50% or something. Only because GPU's are so outrageously expensive right now, it makes me a little paranoid to run them 24/7 with no parameters.

 

[phill]

Depending on the card and the temps at the limit, I would try to make sure that it's not exceeding 50C to be honest, just to help as you said with it lasting longer...

I've said many times @PaulieG as I'm sure you know, WCG or folding or whatever, is always a long term game... Being able to make a work unit complete in 15 minutes more or less isn't the first world problem, it's just getting a steady and stream of work units that you can do without damaging hardware or pushing to an inch of its life... Certainly don't do it with my CPUs, won't be doing it with my GPUs either

 

[PaulieG]

So, I tried to add a 3900XT cruncher yesterday, but the temps were completely out of control, even with PBO. I've never owned a hotter chip at stock! I'll be working on getting the temps down over the weekend.

 

[PolRoger]

So, I tried to add a 3900XT cruncher yesterday, but the temps were completely out of control, even with PBO. I've never owned a hotter chip at stock! I'll be working on getting the temps down over the weekend.

What kind of cooling are you running? Most of my crunchers are under water but I do have one daily/sff setup in (System Specs) running on air. I think I'm running that box with per CCX @38.75x/38.25x with ~1.1v... PBO is too much heat for a small air cooler.

3900X:

 

[PaulieG]

What kind of cooling are you running? Most of my crunchers are under water but I do have one daily/sff setup in (System Specs) running on air. I think I'm running that box with per CCX @38.75x/38.25x with ~1.1v... PBO is too much heat for a small air cooler.

3900X:

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Everything is under 240 and 360 EK AIO's. I was really surprised to see it overwhelm the 240 AIO the way it did. These EK units even keep my 5900x nice and cool. I think I'll swap out the 240 for a 360 and see how much that helps.

Edit: Humbled. I know I should always go back to the basics, but I didn't. I hadn't tightened a backplate screw down well enough, causing the the block to be a touch loose on the processor. Fixed that, new paste and temps are now in the 53c full load in eco mode.