Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Gmr_Chick]

Aura is actually pretty decent -- the standalone version anyway, which is supposedly going to stop receiving updates "soon", according to the AURA site. The Aura packed inside Armoury Crate is close to gutter trash. Doesn't recognize my RAM in the "devices" tab even though said ram is supported, so all I can do is sync it to my board's color. Major fail.

Gigabyte's RGB Fusion, on the other hand IS complete gutter trash. Back when I briefly had the X570 Master (long story) I used it to control the board lighting (which was also dim as hell) and every time I started the program, it would throw up a message saying my resolution needed to be higher...even though 1080p IS the highest my monitor can go! Not to mention it would always default all my lighting to orange. If you ask me, that program needs to be nuked from orbit and rebuilt by people with more than one effing brain cell.

 

[freeagent]

Maybe they are sharing that braincell to stay warm

 

[8BitZ80]

Aura is actually pretty decent -- the standalone version anyway, which is supposedly going to stop receiving updates "soon", according to the AURA site. The Aura packed inside Armoury Crate is close to gutter trash. Doesn't recognize my RAM in the "devices" tab even though said ram is supported, so all I can do is sync it to my board's color. Major fail.

Gigabyte's RGB Fusion, on the other hand IS complete gutter trash. Back when I briefly had the X570 Master (long story) I used it to control the board lighting (which was also dim as hell) and every time I started the program, it would throw up a message saying my resolution needed to be higher...even though 1080p IS the highest my monitor can go! Not to mention it would always default all my lighting to orange. If you ask me, that program needs to be nuked from orbit and rebuilt by people with more than one effing brain cell.

The thing I can't stand about RGB software is the amount of useless marketing junk they try to cram in. I mean Asus Armoury Crate has a "Game Deals" section where you need to be logged into your Asus account in order to purchase "exclusive deal" Steam games. I don't know who on god's green earth would find that useful when Steam has their own sales. And then there's an Asus "news" section. Haven't they heard of Google and reputable tech news forums like.....oh I don't know......TechPowerUp?

 

[Mussels]

Yes.
I tried the other ones at a Micro Center once. It was not fun.
I don't know why people are complaining - it uses 50MB of RAM and 0.1% CPU across all of its services.

As for which board, I would do the X570-E if there wasn't one problem - they've just up and vanished...
Two months ago, I could find them for $310. Now they're just gone and I can pay less to get a C8H.

No it really doesnt use that little - it installs a good 15 different programs and processes, and you gotta add them alllll up


On the new "USB is better" BIOS my 128GB USB3 stick errors out on my front case ports and crashes our my USB controllers - interesting fun times


edit: oh shit you guys are thinking of aura - thats been discontinued and doesnt work on new hardware, you need the armoury crate these days

 

[WhitetailAni]

No it really doesnt use that little - it installs a good 15 different programs and processes, and you gotta add them alllll up

Yep, I have Armoury Crate. I counted them all and I got 66.9 MB of RAM and 0.2% CPU.
I'm also only controlling the little motherboard lights on my B350-F, but yeah, I really don't see what people are complaining about. It doesn't change anything about responsiveness - the only program that does it for me is F@H when the projects hit the 3D renderer on my GPUs

 

[Mussels]

Yep, I have Armoury Crate. I counted them all and I got 66.9 MB of RAM and 0.2% CPU.
I'm also only controlling the little motherboard lights on my B350-F, but yeah, I really don't see what people are complaining about. It doesn't change anything about responsiveness - the only program that does it for me is F@H when the projects hit the 3D renderer on my GPUs

did you notice all the other things it installs too, all the different branded RGB control software, the processes for auto updates, etc?
It took me a good 3 hours to clean my system of all the files crate installed, it crashed out conflicting with icue 4.9 and wouldnt uninstall the regular way (with or without asus cleanup tool)

 

[Athlonite]

did you notice all the other things it installs too, all the different branded RGB control software, the processes for auto updates, etc?
It took me a good 3 hours to clean my system of all the files crate installed, it crashed out conflicting with icue 4.9 and wouldnt uninstall the regular way (with or without asus cleanup tool)

For problems like that that's when I call on Revo Uninstaller takes care of pretty much 99.9% of that sort of crap being left behind
as for it installing this that and the next thing if you don't require it shut it down and delete the stuff you don't use crate will still work without it

 

[WhitetailAni]

did you notice all the other things it installs too, all the different branded RGB control software, the processes for auto updates, etc?
It took me a good 3 hours to clean my system of all the files crate installed, it crashed out conflicting with icue 4.9 and wouldnt uninstall the regular way (with or without asus cleanup tool)

Yep, I did. I plan on only buying RGB products that go inside a case, since I often get my keyboard messy and RGB will just make it stand out more. If I do end up with Corsair RGB things, I'll sell 'em.

Side note - I get free full-uninstall service since I have a Windows reinstall average of one every two months.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Finally got around to test curve optimizer on my 5600X. Using -30 undervolt and +200pbo everything is stable and I get 150MHz all core in CB20, 200MHz in SC still using 76W max

 

[freeagent]

Is there any way to break away from the +200MHz cap in PBO? I would like to sneak an extra 100-150MHz in if I could.. I played with CO a little just for all core and its interesting. It would be nice if you had individual multiplier control for each core right in the bios. Can you do that with Ryzen Master? I only used that program a couple of times, and I would say I just had it installed a couple of times, I haven't really actually used it.

 

[8BitZ80]

Finally got around to test curve optimizer on my 5600X. Using -30 undervolt and +200pbo everything is stable and I get 150MHz all core in CB20, 200MHz in SC still using 76W max

How is the long term stability? Generally if it can last a week without crashing then you're good. Last time I tried -30 undervolt it seemed stable but then hard restarted after a few days of use.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

How is the long term stability? Generally if it can last a week without crashing then you're good. Last time I tried -30 undervolt it seemed stable but then hard restarted after a few days of use.

You were right. After a couple of days I got 2 restarts during heavy multitasking. I backed down to +50 on pbo yesterday and seems stable now. Should I reduce UV on the worst cores if I'm to get +200 stable?

 

[Calmmo]

Anyone else get W10 updates for AMD today? I've the lastest installed from AMD and yet windows decided to DL these two

Advanced Micro Devices Inc. - SecurityDevices - 4.15.0.0
and
AMD - System - 20.50.0.0

 

[8BitZ80]

You were right. After a couple of days I got 2 restarts during heavy multitasking. I backed down to +50 on pbo yesterday and seems stable now. Should I reduce UV on the worst cores if I'm to get +200 stable?

I haven't used the PBO frequency boost at all so I'm not sure how dependent they both are. One would think that AMD programmed PBO to take both into consideration.

 

[tabascosauz]

So you've probably heard everyone say that DDR4 holds iGPUs back.
Well, how about the iGPU holding the DDR4 back, for a change?



Yeah, that's a 1.2V VSOC......dropping to 1.106V............and on Extreme LLC (highest available for VSOC), no less. Come on, man, I can't sustain even 4266 game stable on 1.106V, let alone 4400

I can test memory all day long and at worst it'll drop to 1.160V. As soon as that Vega iGPU comes online and starts drawing 80W of power, boom 1.10V and black screen. I suppose I could scale the iGPU back to alleviate IF load, but that just reintroduces the VDDCR_GFX power limit, probably still won't do 2200MHz IF stable, and annuls the fps gains I made. Also can't just go higher - if 1.2V is the safe VSOC limit for the 12nm Matisse IOD, then there's no frickin way I'm running 1.25V through the 7nm Renoir UMC, IF, and Vega GPU.

I'm not even sure if it's a VRM problem. Even if it is, how can you improve over a 2-phase ISL99390 VSOC loop? Unless someone makes a board with a 4-phase SPS VSOC loop (literally never happening)......

 

[JrRacinFan]

Quick q for you Ryzen guys. Im too lazy to google. If i set an all core OC will C0 states still have the cores park and sleep?

 

[freeagent]

So you've probably heard everyone say that DDR4 holds iGPUs back.
Well, how about the iGPU holding the DDR4 back, for a change?

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Yeah, that's a 1.2V VSOC......dropping to 1.106V............and on Extreme LLC (highest available for VSOC), no less. Come on, man, I can't sustain even 4266 game stable on 1.106V, let alone 4400

I can test memory all day long and at worst it'll drop to 1.160V. As soon as that Vega iGPU comes online and starts drawing 80W of power, boom 1.10V and black screen. I suppose I could scale the iGPU back to alleviate IF load, but that just reintroduces the VDDCR_GFX power limit, probably still won't do 2200MHz IF stable, and annuls the fps gains I made. Also can't just go higher - if 1.2V is the safe VSOC limit for the 12nm Matisse IOD, then there's no frickin way I'm running 1.25V through the 7nm Renoir UMC, IF, and Vega GPU.

I'm not even sure if it's a VRM problem. Even if it is, how can you improve over a 2-phase ISL99390 VSOC loop? Unless someone makes a board with a 4-phase SPS VSOC loop (literally never happening)......

Thats a bummer man. 80w and kerpow.. I guess more than 1.2 is not favored? I wonder if it would be ok because of the iGPU..

Ok because I wasn't sure if my ram was stable at a speed I couldn't remember was good or not, I ran a couple of things lol.. looks like they are ok at 1.55v.. not even warm..

Anyways.. that is all

 

[Mussels]

Quick q for you Ryzen guys. Im too lazy to google. If i set an all core OC will C0 states still have the cores park and sleep?

i believe so, but they certainly idle higher than on auto

damnit one of the new zen 3 features was the ability to per-vid clock and volt and i forgot its name, but that worked with full idle

 

[toilet pepper]

The new AMD StoreMI is up on AMD's website. I have used the older one before and it was clunky and especially painful when uninstalling the thing. I read the new guide on this one and it seems better when uninstalling it.

 

[QuietBob]

i believe so, but they certainly idle higher than on auto

I couldn't tell any difference personally. Wouldn't Zen 3 behave the same?

 

[tabascosauz]

Quick q for you Ryzen guys. Im too lazy to google. If i set an all core OC will C0 states still have the cores park and sleep?

I don't think an all-core affects C-states unless you've also gone and flipped the global Cstates option.

My 4650G idles about the same as stock when on 4.0 all core. It does draw about 3-4W more power at idle though, but that's about it. C6 residency looks the same, didn't check Ryzen Master to see if they were sleeping though.

Granted, that's monolithic Zen 2 where it was only drawing 6W idle package power stock (chiplet Ryzen idles at like 15-30W), but in the murky corners of my memories I could have sworn the 3700X didn't do anything crazy either at 4.0 all core

so probably lower and more consistent idle temps in exchange for a little bit higher minimum package power

 

[8BitZ80]

Ryzen 5000 seems to keep getting better. Now I'm on negative 30 all cores with the curve optimizer and haven't had any errors for seven days. I tried the same settings a few months ago and it made the system hard reset after a few days of use.

 

[tabascosauz]

So in Radeon 21.4 drivers they finally fixed the GPU ASIC Power readout for APUs:

A late fix is better than no fix, that doesn't mean that AMD suddenly learned how to write firmware:

3700X experiencing heat death of the universe:


4650G unleashing its 8K120hz prowess:


5900X beating Bulldozer without using LN2:



Enjoy

 

[Mussels]

neagitve 10 thousand degrees?

Must be using a delta fan

 

[QuietBob]

With a view to the coming heatwaves, I've been tinkering with my CPU. 11w output in Cinebench R23 and still feels adequate for typical home use. Curiously, lowering V_soc didn't seem to affect its power draw.

Now I'm ready for those 30c ambients