Possible NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Launch Date Surfaces

[RedelZaVedno]

So you are saying, because of the high demand and supply issue, we shouldn't read what is interesting to us? It is still news about new technology either if it's hard or easy to get.
I got my 6900xt but I still wanna know and see what NV is releasing. When the supply improves I will be already up to date.

I'm not saying to anyone what one should do or not do. All I wanna say is that I don't see the point in marketing and hyping over the products 99% of people won't be able to buy. As things stand today, hyping over these products is only helping scalpers ripping off consumers with impulsive buying disorders.

Nvidia "only" has 75% of marketshare on Steam HW Survey. AMDs 6000 series are good. Availablity is the problem.

If AMD could deliver GPUs now, they would easily eat into Nvidias marketshare. They can't tho.

Intel's dGPU is not ready before 2022 if not 2023 (we don't know)
I'd expect alot of software issues at launch. If Intel have had their dGPU ready NOW they would be able to sell truckloads, sadly they don't.

Yeah and that's why dGPU will remain F throughout 2021 and possibly even through 2022. The only wild card DIY PC builders have atm is hope that mining craze ends in ashes soon and used dGPUs overflow the 2nd hand market. Let's hope it happens asap.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Well, I was interested in getting a 3070, but I might as well wait for the 3070Ti now. if I can't get that, I guess the upcoming RTX4070 if not that, RTX4070Ti, or until whenever they are available at MSRP.

 

[ratirt]

I'm not saying to anyone what one should do or not. All I wanna say is that I don't see the point in marketing and hyping over the products 99% of people won't be able to buy. As things stand today, hyping over these products is only helping scalpers ripping off consumers with impulsive buying disorders.

I don't think OP means to hype anything. Just gives simple news about a product. If everyone would've gone that route we would have had no info whatsoever cause everything would have been considered Hype. If you think it's hype don't read it or make no comments. Just because you are angry at scalpers or the demand, it doesn't mean people should not get any info about it. you are not one of the consumers being ripped by scalpers so what do you care if others wanna still purchase the product?

 

[medi01]

To me, 2022 will be the year when people can get a graphics card like before the pandemic.

Until then, kill any hope you have.

Uh, why would that be? The crypto Ponzi/Bubble will stop?

AMD is nearly irrelevant in dGPU market as Nvidia covers somewhere between 80-90% of dGPU production

You are taking Stream hardware review bazinga too seriously.

This is by no means a typical month, but AMD hovers at around 30-35% for quite a while (note the summary figures for this year):

https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/mxn12j

I'm not saying to anyone what one should do or not do. All I wanna say is that I don't see the point in marketing and hyping over the products 99% of people won't be able to buy. As things stand today, hyping over these products is only helping scalpers ripping off consumers with impulsive buying disorders.

3090 is sold for insane money, because people are aware, it exists.
The same applies to 3080Ti.

You are naive if you think that all that money goes to scalpers/shops.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

I don't think OP means to hype anything. Just gives simple news about a product. If everyone would've gone that route we would have had no info whatsoever cause everything would have been considered Hype. If you think it's hype don't read it or make no comments. Just because you are angry at scalpers or the demand, it doesn't mean people should not get any info about it. you are not one of the consumers being ripped by scalpers so what do you care if others wanna still purchase the product?

I care because NVidia/AMD/AIBs are watching what's happening. They will have no problem rising MSPRs on next gen products if they figure out that there is enough retail impulsive buyers out there willing to pay these ridiculous prices that even higher profit margins can be made. There will be no low to low-mid range GPUs on the market if that happens. I mean it's already happening, xx60 class card selling for $329-400 MSPR is not exactly lower mid range pricing anymore and no xx50/6500 class dGPU horizon (with exception of laptops) shows us where things are headed. DIY PC building is becoming premium hobby and that was not the case for the last 2 decades.

You are taking Stream hardware review bazinga too seriously.

This is by no means a typical month, but AMD hovers at around 30-35% for quite a while (note the summary figures for this year):

What does Mindfactory numbers tell us about general dGPU production? If anything that their dGPU supply is very, very low. Especially when you read that mining enterprises are signing $100 million worth contracts with NVidia through their AIBs. That's where A LOT of Nvidia's dGPU production goes atm, not to retailers.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

You are right, but I can't stop reading hardware news, even tho hardware market is beyond boring at this point. I'm glad I got my 3080 on launch for 700 dollars and I will upgrade when pricing and availability is back to normal in 2022-2023.

I expect demand to go down when COVID vaccines are out (people stop playing again) and GPU mining hopefully gets too advanced (ASIC miners incoming).

I don't think it will last till 2023 but it could.



You act like AMDs is doing any better? AMDs availablity is even worse, with zero 6000 models listed on Steam HW Survey. All Ampere cards are represented and have been for months and months at this point.

I can see it lasting until 2023. Even if everyone were vaccinated it is going to take a long concentrated effort to reopen the world, its not like governments are known for relinquishing power once they get it. Just look at the friction from states with few cases opening up their economies. The longer that takes, the longer the backpressure from demand will build, and the longer it will take to catch up with backordered demand.

The way I see it, nvidia's 3000 series and AMD's 6000 series are going to end up like the geforce 3 series, forgotten and buried. By the time demand catches up well be in the next generation and 10 years after that the 3000/6000s will be collecters items or subjects of youtube videos called "check out this ultra rare GPU".

Of course, with DDR5 imminent and 5/33nm from TSMC on the way, it would be silly to build a PC right now IMO. We're slated to see a huge increase in performance over the next 2-3 years before another likely slowdown for another few years after that. I plan on keeping my PC until the end of 2023 at the earliest, likely until zen 4 or maybe zen 5 is out, by then the current GPU market is goign to be old hat.

This is assuming my vega lasts that long.

 

[ratirt]

I care because NVidia/AMD/AIBs are watching what's happening. They will have no problem rising MSPRs on next gen products if they figure out that there is enough retail impulsive buyers out there willing to pay these ridiculous prices that even higher profit margins can be made. There will be no low to low-mid range GPUs on the market if that happens. I mean it's already happening, xx60 class card selling for $329-400 MSPR is not exactly lower mid range pricing anymore and no xx50/6500 class dGPU horizon (with exception of laptops) shows us where things are headed. DIY PC building is becoming premium hobby and that was not the case for the last 2 decades.

Of course they will raise the MSRP for their products but you can do nothing about it. It's still business for them. You don't have to buy it if the price is to high or if you you disagree with the price for the products but you have to accept the reality as is. Saying you disagree with the prices and the scalpers or whatever else is there is not gonna change anything. News is still news no matter what the price is being dictated by the economy. I would rather have the prices low but they are not and my choices are, accept the situation and the price and purchase, or simply accept the situation, skip buying anything just read about it.

 

[WhitetailAni]

I still wish they had given it 16GB of VRAM like the 6900 XT.
I'm not sure exactly how they would have done that, but 12GB vs 10GB doesn't do a whole lot.

Not that I'm planning to buy one (Kepler for the win!) but still.

 

[las]

I can see it lasting until 2023. Even if everyone were vaccinated it is going to take a long concentrated effort to reopen the world, its not like governments are known for relinquishing power once they get it. Just look at the friction from states with few cases opening up their economies. The longer that takes, the longer the backpressure from demand will build, and the longer it will take to catch up with backordered demand.

The way I see it, nvidia's 3000 series and AMD's 6000 series are going to end up like the geforce 3 series, forgotten and buried. By the time demand catches up well be in the next generation and 10 years after that the 3000/6000s will be collecters items or subjects of youtube videos called "check out this ultra rare GPU".

Of course, with DDR5 imminent and 5/33nm from TSMC on the way, it would be silly to build a PC right now IMO. We're slated to see a huge increase in performance over the next 2-3 years before another likely slowdown for another few years after that. I plan on keeping my PC until the end of 2023 at the earliest, likely until zen 4 or maybe zen 5 is out, by then the current GPU market is goign to be old hat.

This is assuming my vega lasts that long.

I understand, I plan to do a completely new system in 2024 when DDR5 has matured and hardware market is hopefully back to normal.

But yeah, lets hope components survive

 

[Deleted member 205776]

Actual launch date: somewhere during Q4 2028.

 

[las]

I still wish they had given it 16GB of VRAM like the 6900 XT.
I'm not sure exactly how they would have done that, but 12GB vs 10GB doesn't do a whole lot.

Not that I'm planning to buy one (Kepler for the win!) but still.

They should have used a 320 bit bus, like 3080 and simply doubled VRAM.

The bus-width does pretty much nothing, but 12GB to 20GB is a major upgrade for people who's using 4K-5K or even 8K, but lets be honest 8K gaming is pretty much not going to happen unless DLSS is used and then VRAM requirement lowers alot.

Only relevant if people plan to keep the card for years tho, and I'm pretty sure that in 4-5 years, both 6900XT and 3080Ti will be pretty garbage for 4K/5K gaming. So in the end, it does not really matter I guess.

 

[medi01]

What does Mindfactory numbers tell us about general dGPU production?

Lol, more than steam hardware review bazinga.

Especially, since the sales figures from MF for the last year are also available.

If anything that their dGPU supply is very, very low.

This claim is an outright embarrassment.
MF sells in one week more than was touted to be delivered to the whole Europe for an entire month.
It's a major online PC parts shop, with huge volumes.

And year on year, it's roughly the same ballpark, no shortages in sight (perhaps NV somehow manages to have problems pfroducing enough GPUs despite having entire Samsung 8nm to itself)

 

[Vya Domus]

The only one who could do that is Intel with it's XE dGPU lineup

Uhm, no, they most likely can't.

In case you haven't yet heard their 10nm is an absolute disaster, they've barely started production of Xeons on 10nm just recently, you can completely forget about any mass production of dedicated GPUs.

 

[las]

Lol, more than steam hardware review bazinga.

Especially, since the sales figures from MF for the last year are also available.


This claim is an outright embarrassment.
MF sells in one week more than was touted to be delivered to the whole Europe for an entire month.
It's a major online PC parts shop, with huge volumes.

And year on year, it's roughly the same ballpark, no shortages in sight (perhaps NV somehow manages to have problems pfroducing enough GPUs despite having entire Samsung 8nm to itself)

Haha no, a single retailer vs Steam's millions of users? Pretty much all PC gamers use Steam. Like 63 million daily users.
Hardware trends reflect Steam HW Survey; Ryzen sells well; AMD CPU marketshare goes up. Obviously it can be trusted for GPUs too.

Uhm, no, they can't.

In case you haven't yet heard their 10nm is an absolute disaster, they've barely started production Xeons on 10nm just recently, you can completely forget about any mass production of dedicated GPUs.

I have never heard or read that their dGPU's would be using 10nm, but TSMC 7nm or lower

Their 10nm SuperFin works just fine and Alder Lake will release using this process in 6 months or so. This is not their first 10nm process.
Their 7nm is on track for 2023

Intel 7nm = TSMC 5nm
Intel 10nm = TSMC 7nm
Pretty much. Same density.

Apple owns TSMC 5nm production till sometime next year. AMD won't be using this process anytime soon.
Apple always gets priority at TSMC, nothing new here.

I can't wait to see AMD vs Intel in 2023-2024 when both are on next gen platforms. TSMC 5nm vs Intel 7nm.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Lol, more than steam hardware review bazinga.

Especially, since the sales figures from MF for the last year are also available.


This claim is an outright embarrassment.
MF sells in one week more than was touted to be delivered to the whole Europe for an entire month.
It's a major online PC parts shop, with huge volumes.

And year on year, it's roughly the same ballpark, no shortages in sight (perhaps NV somehow manages to have problems pfroducing enough GPUs despite having entire Samsung 8nm to itself)

Embarrassment? Why? Selling 2000 units a week is nothing when you look at how many dGPUs is being actually produced. In FY 2021, the Graphics segment generated $9.8 billion, or about 59%, of Nvidia's total revenue (41% comes from The Compute & Networking segment). GeForce GPUs for gaming account for about half of that number. That's A LOT of GPUs coming out of Samsung factories. It's a shame that nearly all of these dGPUs end up in some mining farm atm and not at retailers. Nvidia lost a supply chain control once cryptomine greed took over the world. It's just the way it is and it's not like Nvidia & it's AIBs are complaining. They're all making a killing out of it. And so does AMD just to a lesser extend because TSMC's capacities are fully booked.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Paper launch? they have full fab capacity at Samsung yet failed to deliver/satisfy the demand and suddenly wanna launch 3080Ti? are they mocking us?
Sadly, AMD that only has a tiny slice of TSMC's nodes greatly affected by both miners and scalpers too and make it even worst.

 

[toilet pepper]

This is not gonna help the availability of the 3080. I feel it would make it worse. Why would miners pay more for basically almost the same hashrate?

 

[sepheronx]

This is not gonna help the availability of the 3080. I feel it would make it worse. Why would miners pay more for basically almost the same hashrate?

maybe worst. The test unit shown by videocardz was potentially prior any hashrate limitors. So if they exist, more refined than the 3060 situation, than the 3080 may be even more expensive and more in demand.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I just wanna know where to effin preorder for MSRP-ish prices. an effort I will try this once on a new card.

 

[qubit]

By the sound of it, this card could make the 3090 obsolete as the performance is gonna be so close, but it's so much cheaper. Ot maybe NVIDIA will bring out a "3090 Ti" halo card with the full chip enabled? We'll find out soon enough.

 

[ozzyozzy]

Get ready for cloud gaming. Forget low-low/mid range cards. Nvidia Geforce NOW is keep growing and earning new partners all over the world. And soon Stadia will do the same. Enjoy.

Following ASUS' Lead, EVGA and ZOTAC Increase NVIDIA RTX 30-series Pricing

Better get a console when they become available, Sony and Microsoft don't have fake MSRP, and don't sell their consoles 40% more outside the US for no reason. Console gaming looks more and more attractive. PlayStation 5 for 400€ here I go. PC gaming is oficially dead to me, apart from the...

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[tangowhiskeyalfatango]

My 2080 TI will live on. The jump at 1440p will not be large enough to justify the cost. Assuming I can even buy one.

 

[64K]

Get ready for cloud gaming. Forget low-low/mid range cards. Nvidia Geforce NOW is keep growing and earning new partners all over the world. And soon Stadia will do the same. Enjoy.

Following ASUS' Lead, EVGA and ZOTAC Increase NVIDIA RTX 30-series Pricing

Better get a console when they become available, Sony and Microsoft don't have fake MSRP, and don't sell their consoles 40% more outside the US for no reason. Console gaming looks more and more attractive. PlayStation 5 for 400€ here I go. PC gaming is oficially dead to me, apart from the...

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Not everyone can though. Some people have a crappy internet connection. I don't want these Cloud Gaming Services because of latency.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Having that many SKUs during a chip shortages is stupid and wound not help things, imo the 3060 Ti and 3080 Ti should not have existed.

 

[xorbe]

By the sound of it, this card could make the 3090 obsolete as the performance is gonna be so close, but it's so much cheaper. Ot maybe NVIDIA will bring out a "3090 Ti" halo card with the full chip enabled? We'll find out soon enough.

There are those that need and will pay for the 24GB vram of the 3090, as it's still cheaper than Quadros.