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Hi,
After applying it looks like alien baby crap lol
lmao...
Hi,
After applying it looks like alien baby crap lol
System Name | CyberPowerPC ET8070 |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M DS3H AC-Y1 |
Memory | 2 x Crucial Ballistix 8GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | MSI Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super |
Storage | Boot: Intel OPTANE SSD P1600X Series 118GB M.2 PCIE |
Display(s) | Dell P2416D (2560 x 1440) |
Power Supply | EVGA 500W1 (modified to have two bridge rectifiers) |
Software | Windows 11 Home |
I did a shootout between MX-2, MX-4 and MX-5. Results are very interesting.
This is no ordinary test because I used each paste on the die AND the IHS of a delidded processor. That means that the heat needs to transfer through two applications of the same paste and it really helps to highlight the tiny differences in performance.
Testbench is a delidded 120W TDP Xeon X5460 at 3.6GHz 1.35V with a 6 heatpipe Snowman 92mm dual tower cooler. Fan speeds are at maximum (molex powered). I used HWInfo64 to log data across two-minute runs of the Furmark CPU burner with 1 minute breaks in between. Ambients changed only slightly in the process but I recorded it during each run.
MX-2 Run 1 (24.3C Ambient) = 70C, 64C, 71C, 70C
MX-2 Run 2 (24.3C Ambient) = 70C, 64C, 70C, 69C
MX-2 Run 3 (24.3C Ambient) = 70C, 64C, 70C, 69C
MX-4 Run 1 (24.5C Ambient) = 73C, 67C, 73C, 72C
MX-4 Run 2 (24.5C Ambient) = 72C, 67C, 73C, 72C
MX-4 Run 3 (24.5C Ambient) = 73C, 67C, 73C, 72C
MX-5 Run 1 (24.7C Ambient) = 71C, 66C, 73C, 70C
MX-5 Run 2 (24.7C Ambient) = 70C, 64C, 72C, 69C
MX-5 Run 3 (24.8C Ambient) = 70C, 65C, 72C, 69C
I'll keep conclusions to a minimum but there definitely is a performance improvement with MX-5. Impressive numbers from MX-2 as well.
I also thought that all three pastes were very easy to spread. Wouldn't hesitate using all of them. MX-5 is very light blue in color and is hard to see on paper towel, but that's only a minor downside.
If you have a heat-gun could you bake them to give some sense of how they might hold up with age?
I'm not sure how to test for the so called 'pump out effect'
Der8auer Deep-Dives on Thermal Paste: Misconceptions, Curing, & More | LTX 2019 - Bing video
I used to have some mx-2... lost it a long time ago. looks like mx-2 beats mx-5. lol...
System Name | CS Prime |
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Processor | i7-5775C @4ghz eDRAM @ 2ghz |
Motherboard | Z97 Sabertooth USB 3.1 Mk1 |
Cooling | Corsair H90 |
Memory | Kingston HyperX Fury 32GB DDR3L @ 2ghz x2 |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte Windforce GTX1080 |
Storage | 512GB NVMe MyDigitalSSD BPXP, 4TB SATA WD Blue |
Display(s) | Q900RB |
Audio Device(s) | Denon AVR-X3700H |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME 650 |
Mouse | MX Master |
Keyboard | MX Keys |
I have CLU under the lid and Indigo Xtreme on top of my 5775C.I wish people would include graphite and Indium pads in the TIM comparisons.
On a couple of cores the MX-2 schooled the newer pastes, yeah. I can't remember which tests but I have seen other reviewers post great numbers with MX-2 so I was kind of expecting it to put on a good show.
System Name | schweinestalle |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700 X |
Motherboard | Asus Prime - Pro X 570 + Asus PCI -E AC68 Dual Band Wi-Fi Adapter |
Cooling | Standard Air |
Memory | Kingston HyperX 2 x 16 gb DDR 4 3200mhz |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 5700 XT 8 GB Strix |
Storage | Intel SSD 240 gb Speed Demon & WD 240 SSD Blue & WD 250 SSD & WD Green 500gb SSD & Seagate 1 TB Sata |
Display(s) | Asus XG 32 V ROG |
Case | Corsair AIR ATX |
Audio Device(s) | Realtech standard |
Power Supply | Corsair 850 Modular |
Mouse | CM Havoc |
Keyboard | Corsair Cherry Mechanical |
Software | Win 10 |
Benchmark Scores | Unigine_Superposition 4K ultra 7582 |
im curious if anyone who actually should have their hands inside of a PC, has ever damaged something with Arctic Silver5. (rhetorical, im certain a million fools have damaged a million components all in equally ridiculous way)
ive used the stuff for what 2 decades or so, & ive heard this claim , & im aware of how conductivity can be dangerous to components.
its just that i get the 'wrist strap' feeling whenever i see someone post about/regarding the 'dangers' of AS5.
water is SUPER conductive, yet we cool electronics with it all the time, & there are lots of alternatives.
it just seems like this argument is a silly one to make (not that you personally were making an argument, im speaking more to the subject generally), nothing against you, its not like youre the first to post it, i just dont see the argument.
i dunno, maybe its just me
System Name | CyberPowerPC ET8070 |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M DS3H AC-Y1 |
Memory | 2 x Crucial Ballistix 8GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | MSI Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super |
Storage | Boot: Intel OPTANE SSD P1600X Series 118GB M.2 PCIE |
Display(s) | Dell P2416D (2560 x 1440) |
Power Supply | EVGA 500W1 (modified to have two bridge rectifiers) |
Software | Windows 11 Home |
Doesn't curing prevent pump out?Like Der8auer said it seems like most people confuse pump-out and curing.
And why is this?but it definitely should not be used with low mounting pressure
Don't forget to include diaper creambut only the good stuff (40% zinc oxide) and vaseline.
Price is a big factor
"An engineer can do for a dollar what any fool can do for two."
Arthur Mellen Wellington
OK, I couldn't take it no more... ordered me four 30g pots of GD900 ($3.51 a pot with shipping)
Now I find
GD32 1.0 W/K.m
GD33 1.0
GD66 1.05
GD100 1.094
GD220 1.114
GD280 1.159
GD380 2.2
GD460 2.0
GD450 2.0
GD900 4.8
GD900-1 6
System Name | The de-ploughminator Mk-II |
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Processor | i7 13700KF |
Motherboard | MSI Z790 Carbon |
Cooling | ID-Cooling SE-226-XT + Phanteks T30 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill DDR5 7200Cas34 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX4090 TUF |
Storage | Kingston KC3000 2TB NVME |
Display(s) | 48" LG OLED C4 |
Case | Corsair 5000D Air |
Audio Device(s) | KEF LSX II LT speakers + KEF KC62 Subwoofer |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850 |
Mouse | Razor Death Adder v3 |
Keyboard | Razor Huntsman V3 Pro TKL |
Software | win11 |
I tried the newer GD900-1 version with the 6.0W/m2 thermal conductivity and it's pretty bad. It performs noticeably worse than the regular GD900.
GD900 Run 1 (Ambient 26.9C) = 77C, 74C, 80C, 78C
GD900 Run 2 (Ambient 26.8C) = 78C, 75C, 81C, 79C
GD900 Run 3 (Ambient 26.8C) = 79C, 76C, 82C, 80C
GD900-1 Run 1 (Ambient 27.0C) = 81C, 77C, 84C, 83C (NOTE: Core 2 thermal throttled at 84C)
GD900-1 Run 2 (Ambient 26.8C) = 80C, 77C, 84C, 82C (NOTE: Core 2 thermal throttled at 84C)
GD900-1 Run 3 (Ambient 26.6C) = 81C, 79C, 84C, 82C (NOTE: Core 2 thermal throttled at 84C)
Once again, it proves that the thermal conductivity value itself provided by thermal paste manufacturers means squat.
Of course I'm running the paste on both the die and IHS of my X5460 so any differences will be more pronounced, but it's still a huge difference. The GD900-1 paste is definitely more solid in consistency and harder to spread than the regular GD900. I have no doubt that the GD900-1 I received is the real product and not counterfeit. GD900 wins hands down and it's ridiculously cheaper, no competition.
System Name | Cumquat 2021 |
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Processor | AMD RyZen R7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus Strix X670E - E Gaming WIFI |
Cooling | Deep Cool LT720 + CM MasterGel Pro TP + Lian Li Uni Fan V2 |
Memory | 32GB GSkill Trident Z5 Neo 6000 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ OC RX6800 16GB DDR6 2270Cclk / 2010Mclk |
Storage | 1x Adata SX8200PRO NVMe 1TB gen3 x4 1X Samsung 980 Pro NVMe Gen 4 x4 1TB, 12TB of HDD Storage |
Display(s) | AOC 24G2 IPS 144Hz FreeSync Premium 1920x1080p |
Case | Lian Li O11D XL ROG edition |
Audio Device(s) | RX6800 via HDMI + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W 5.1 Speaker set |
Power Supply | EVGA 1000W G5 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core Wired |
Keyboard | Logitech G915 Wireless |
Software | Windows 11 X64 PRO (build 23H2) |
Benchmark Scores | it sucks even more less now ;) |
It's not conductive at all although it is ever so slightly capacitivei didnt know as5 is conductive , anyway it never did anything wrong
im curious if anyone who actually should have their hands inside of a PC, has ever damaged something with Arctic Silver5. (rhetorical, im certain a million fools have damaged a million components all in equally ridiculous way)
ive used the stuff for what 2 decades or so, & ive heard this claim , & im aware of how conductivity can be dangerous to components.
its just that i get the 'wrist strap' feeling whenever i see someone post about/regarding the 'dangers' of AS5.
water is SUPER conductive, yet we cool electronics with it all the time, & there are lots of alternatives.
it just seems like this argument is a silly one to make (not that you personally were making an argument, im speaking more to the subject generally), nothing against you, its not like youre the first to post it, i just dont see the argument.
i dunno, maybe its just me
And why is this?
I have never seen this with any paste, ever. I'm certain it's not going to be a problem, whether short or long term. Given how sticky MX-5 is, it seems very unlikely to flex and flow like you suggest.Because it's not thick and will end up pumping out due to natural heat related expansion / contraction cycles (you need a thick paste to fight against this).
The only paste that is good against imbalanced pressure like this is IC Diamond.
Naturally the best solution is to fix the mounting pressure or otherwise make the surfaces flat (sanding the heatsink, or if you have the courage, cpu/gpu die, if it's convex, etc)
I have never seen this with any paste, ever. I'm certain it's not going to be a problem, whether short or long term. Given how sticky MX-5 is, it seems very unlikely to flex and flow like you suggest.
I'm all over the place on the net and have never seen such a discussion. Got an example?Plenty of people have. Check notebookreview forums. This has been discussed to death already but countless people. If you bother to do a search, you'll see it all over. In the Alienware threads, MSI GT73VR threads, the thermal paste hardware discussion threads, it's all over.
Processor | AMD Ryzen R7 5800x |
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Motherboard | B550i Aorus Pro AX |
Cooling | Custom Cooling |
Memory | 32Gb Patriot Viper 3600 RGB |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 3080 Ventus Trio OC |
Storage | Samsung 960 EVO |
Display(s) | Specterpro 34uw100 |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Power Supply | Cooler Master V750 Gold SFX |
Mouse | Glorious Model D Wireless |
Keyboard | Ducky One 2 |
VR HMD | Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 64bit |
The new Hardware Canucks video about Induim is interesting. The ihs imprinted on the indium pad and it performs like an mx4.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to search threads for you. You'll have to do that yourself.I'm all over the place on the net and have never seen such a discussion. Got an example?
Ok, then. Not gonna bother. Been using and installing TIM products for decades and have never seen, read or heard about the behavior you described. I have some MX-5 and am not seeing it with that either. So you do you. The rest of us will carry on unabated..I'm sorry but I'm not going to search threads for you. You'll have to do that yourself.
My guess is desktop as laptop & mobile CPU's don't have IHS plates.was this on a laptop or desktop?
Isn't it the other way around, IC Diamond drying out over time?Because it's not thick and will end up pumping out due to natural heat related expansion / contraction cycles (you need a thick paste to fight against this).
The only paste that is good against imbalanced pressure like this is IC Diamond.
Naturally the best solution is to fix the mounting pressure or otherwise make the surfaces flat (sanding the heatsink, or if you have the courage, cpu/gpu die, if it's convex, etc)