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[Space Lynx]

Isn't it the other way around, IC Diamond drying out over time?
OP: your thread is a huge let down. Do review in the future when you say so.

Sorry I was hired by two jobs post making thread... sorry for getting my life together and not thinking it would happen that fast. lol mmk. As I said, just to tired or don't have the time now. Went hiking with family Saturday, for my day off. Had I known I would be so busy in short amount of time I would not have made thread.

 

[toilet pepper]

Ok, then. Not gonna bother. Been using and installing TIM products for decades and have never seen, read or heard about the behavior you described. I have some MX-5 and am not seeing it with that either. So you do you. The rest of us will carry on unabated..

My guess is desktop as laptop & mobile CPU's don't have IHS plates.

They did it on a desktop with an i5-10400. I wonder how it would pair on a ryzen?

 

[Shrek]

Indium pads are quite cheap on ebay

$1 vs. $10 Reusable Thermal Pad Benchmarks: No-Name, IC Diamond, & Carbonaut - YouTube

I believe the no name is Indium

 

[Athlonite]

Indium pads are quite cheap on ebay

I'd be very weary of buy this sort of thing off of ebay you may get anything from tinfoil to lead

 

[Shrek]

Too late for me... I have 120g of GD900 on the way...

 

[Falkentyne]

Isn't it the other way around, IC Diamond drying out over time?
OP: your thread is a huge let down. Do review in the future when you say so.

I haven't done research on IC diamond's longevity as I've never used it and don't plan on buying it.
I Just finished just now swapping the TFX out for Kryonaut Extreme on my GTX 1070.
(again the only reason I haven't done that on my 3090 FE is because I can't get the backplate off (Gelid pads squishy problems) and I don't want to risk forcing it off on an out of stock video card).
When I did have Kryo Extreme on my 3090 FE, I had Thermalright Odyssey pads on and the contact pressure was bad, and the Kryo Extreme degraded by 5C in a week.

 

[Mussels]

TPU hates IC diamond with a passion, after their CEO came on here being an ass when it was damaging products and made weird comments about killing peoples grandmas, and threatening lawsuits.

Yeah, it was fun times.

 

[Shrek]

5°C in a week!

You are scaring the kids!

 

[nguyen]

Tried Kryonaut on 1080Ti FE and it pumped out in 3 months, on my Acer Triton 500 laptop the Kryonaut pumped out in 2 weeks (10-15C worse)
For watercooling Kryonaut should be fine, just not in high temperature environment.

I have been an advocate for TFX for months, it's nice that plenty of other laptop users came to the same findings

 

[Falkentyne]

5C in a week!

You are scaring the kids!

Yes. The thermalright odyssey pads were too stiff and not compressible enough on the 3090 FE (heatsink design problem--there are simply not enough screws to attach the PCB firmly to the heatsink, just the leaf spring and one screw by the PCIE slot thermal pad....and the screws at the very edge for the backplate...YIKES) so the contact pressure on the core was extremely weak (at this time there was no "Core hotspot" sensor in HWinfo64. With TFX I also noticed a rise in temps but it took longer to happen, and I noticed the core hotspot delta change from 11C to 16C in three weeks). Another user on the Nvidia subreddit noticed after a few months, his core to core hotspot delta was over 20C, so he ordered some Gelid pads also.

If the mounting pressure is bad, every paste is going to pump out. I don't mean DRY Out or separate, I mean pump out. That's basic high school physics. Heat expands, cold contracts. When mounting pressure is very weak, you get expansion+contraction, paste starts shifting around instead of staying in one spot. Combine this with a super convex Ampere GPU core, what do you think is going to happen? Magic? The bad pastes will separate into oil + dried useless whatever though.

I have a LOT of different amounts of thermal paste, and still over 100 grams of Liquid Metal (Galinstan).

Now that I switched to Gelid Extreme pads, the delta (core to core hotspot) has only changed about 0.5C in 2 and a half weeks, which is a hell of a lot better than 5C.

I have not seen any problem with Kryonaut Extreme on my desktop CPU's or my radeon r9 290X. Testing it now on my MXM GTX 1070 now.

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Kryonaut Extreme vs TFX is strange.
Seems that Kryonaut Extreme needs good mounting pressure since it's not as thick.

Kryonaut Extreme vs TFX:
Radeon R9 290X: 81C vs 83C (80% fan speed, Valley benchmark, bad ambients (section 8 apartment, sorry, don't expect much)
Kryonaut Extreme 2C better than TFX (mounting pressure seems really flat)

Geforce GTX 1070 MXM (laptop), Heaven benchmark. TDP modded @ 230W
72C vs 71C (TFX 1C better).
Arctic MX-5 is 73C.

I guess that goes in line with this laptop results chart.

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[zero989z]

Looks underwhelming

Only pastes worth buying seem to be Grizzly Kryonaut+Kryonaut Extreme, Thermalright TF8/FX, Kingpin, Liquid Ultra/Gallium

 

[lexluthermiester]

TPU hates IC diamond with a passion

Not just TPU, some of us remember scratches on our CPU dies, including a QX9300 of mine that was killed by IC Diamond cracking the die. Aholes.. I'm going to refrain from further comment...

 

[Space Lynx]

I have never heard of Thermalright TFX... interesting. I wish I had seen this chart sooner... I'm tempted to get some TFX now, its still much cheaper than kryonaut extreme...

edit: tfx has a lot of bad reviews on amazon and newegg... nm maybe I will just sell my mx-5 and save up for some kryonaut extreme... thats an 8 celsius difference according to that chart

 

[Falkentyne]

I have never heard of Thermalright TFX... interesting. I wish I had seen this chart sooner... I'm tempted to get some TFX now, its still much cheaper than kryonaut extreme...

edit: tfx has a lot of bad reviews on amazon and newegg... nm maybe I will just sell my mx-5 and save up for some kryonaut extreme... thats an 8 celsius difference according to that chart

The bad reviews are from people who don't know how to use it.
TFX is the same paste as Thermagic ZF-EX (same factory), and almost everyone gives that good reviews on Aliexpress.
Just don't try to spread it. Use an X pattern (with drops in quadrants to insure full coverage) or use a 9 large drop on IHS heatspreader/large GPU die method, or 9 smaller drops on smaller GPU die.

Kryonaut Extreme 2g has even worse reviews than TFX. Just buy the TFX. Get the 6.2g one ideally because you get more for your money. 2 grams goes very fast

If you don't mind waiting for the slow boat from China, buy the ZF-EX from whichever Aliexpress shop is cheapest or gives a discount if you buy 5 or more at once, then it's about $24 for 6 grams (ZF-EX) rather than $40 for 6.2 grams (TFX)

 

[nguyen]

The bad reviews are from people who don't know how to use it.
TFX is the same paste as Thermagic ZF-EX (same factory), and almost everyone gives that good reviews on Aliexpress.
Just don't try to spread it. Use an X pattern (with drops in quadrants to insure full coverage) or use a 9 large drop on IHS heatspreader/large GPU die method, or 9 smaller drops on smaller GPU die.

Kryonaut Extreme 2g has even worse reviews than TFX. Just buy the TFX. Get the 6.2g one ideally because you get more for your money. 2 grams goes very fast

If you don't mind waiting for the slow boat from China, buy the ZF-EX from whichever Aliexpress shop is cheapest or gives a discount if you buy 5 or more at once, then it's about $24 for 6 grams (ZF-EX) rather than $40 for 6.2 grams (TFX)

Exactly, TFX is impossible to spread manually, I just use the 5 dots (1 big center and 4 small corners), heat it up with a hairdryer and mount the cooler. Because of how viscous TFX is, I reckon people didn't put enough of it or didn't tighten down the cooler enough.
Overall TFX or ZF-EX should perform within margin of error to Kryonaut and Kingpin KPx with guaranteed longevity as a huge bonus.

 

[bobbybluz]

I've been using Gelid CG Extreme for years and am not switching to anything else for my own PC's with AIO's. MX-4 is what I've been using on GPU's and for short-term mountings of AIO's that may soon be replaced. I already have an inventory of various pastes on hand but stick with what I know works well for my own needs.

 

[Borc]

I haven't done research on IC diamond's longevity as I've never used it and don't plan on buying it.
I Just finished just now swapping the TFX out for Kryonaut Extreme on my GTX 1070.
(again the only reason I haven't done that on my 3090 FE is because I can't get the backplate off (Gelid pads squishy problems) and I don't want to risk forcing it off on an out of stock video card).
When I did have Kryo Extreme on my 3090 FE, I had Thermalright Odyssey pads on and the contact pressure was bad, and the Kryo Extreme degraded by 5C in a week.

Did you try Kingpin KPx? This is a good GPU paste I've heard.

 

[Hankieroseman]

my tube of MX-5 is arriving today.

notice i splurged & spent the extra cheddar for the spatula!!
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package destroyed in transit.
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My old American Airlines coffee stir stick works so well spreading the paste like the McDonald's plastic stir stick.

 

[Shrek]

I got lucky and my eBay GD900 comes with a spatula

 

[GerKNG]

i have the MX5 now since two weeks on a 10900K (5.1 GHz, 4.8 GHz Cache at 1.4V (1.32V under load)
it did not deteriorate so far compared to MX4 which turns into soup after around 8-10 days on that CPU.

 

[Shrek]

Longevity is everything to me; no sense gaining one degree only to have it and more lost after a few months.

 

[sneekypeet]

Yes. The thermalright odyssey pads were too stiff and not compressible enough on the 3090 FE (heatsink design problem--there are simply not enough screws to attach the PCB firmly to the heatsink, just the leaf spring and one screw by the PCIE slot thermal pad....and the screws at the very edge for the backplate...YIKES) so the contact pressure on the core was extremely weak (at this time there was no "Core hotspot" sensor in HWinfo64. With TFX I also noticed a rise in temps but it took longer to happen, and I noticed the core hotspot delta change from 11C to 16C in three weeks). Another user on the Nvidia subreddit noticed after a few months, his core to core hotspot delta was over 20C, so he ordered some Gelid pads also.

If the mounting pressure is bad, every paste is going to pump out. I don't mean DRY Out or separate, I mean pump out. That's basic high school physics. Heat expands, cold contracts. When mounting pressure is very weak, you get expansion+contraction, paste starts shifting around instead of staying in one spot. Combine this with a super convex Ampere GPU core, what do you think is going to happen? Magic? The bad pastes will separate into oil + dried useless whatever though.

I have a LOT of different amounts of thermal paste, and still over 100 grams of Liquid Metal (Galinstan).

Now that I switched to Gelid Extreme pads, the delta (core to core hotspot) has only changed about 0.5C in 2 and a half weeks, which is a hell of a lot better than 5C.

I have not seen any problem with Kryonaut Extreme on my desktop CPU's or my radeon r9 290X. Testing it now on my MXM GTX 1070 now.

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Kryonaut Extreme vs TFX is strange.
Seems that Kryonaut Extreme needs good mounting pressure since it's not as thick.

Kryonaut Extreme vs TFX:
Radeon R9 290X: 81C vs 83C (80% fan speed, Valley benchmark, bad ambients (section 8 apartment, sorry, don't expect much)
Kryonaut Extreme 2C better than TFX (mounting pressure seems really flat)

Geforce GTX 1070 MXM (laptop), Heaven benchmark. TDP modded @ 230W
72C vs 71C (TFX 1C better).
Arctic MX-5 is 73C.

I guess that goes in line with this laptop results chart.

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Please link where any of that information comes from, with testing methodology please?

All I see are lists of things with no bearing on reality.

 

[Falkentyne]

Please link where any of that information comes from, with testing methodology please?

All I see are lists of things with no bearing on reality.

I tested it myself. What exactly do you want me to do? And some things are simply common sense. I've been building computers and overclocking for over 20 years. Do you think I don't know how screws and leaf springs work? Seriously?

And since you don't seem to know who I am:

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Are you going to fedex me some equipment or some extra thermal paste and pads so I can test things according to how you want things tested? I'm on section 8 and SSI and disabled. I am not rich and I do not have testing equipment. I only have my own hard work.
I apologize if that isn't enough for you. You're free to accept that or discard that at your whim.

 

[sneekypeet]

I tested it myself. What exactly do you want me to do? And some things are simply common sense. I've been building computers and overclocking for over 20 years. Do you think I don't know how screws and leaf springs work? Seriously?

And since you don't seem to know who I am:

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Thanks to Asus and the wizard Shamino for allowing me to test drive their Maximus 13 Extreme and RKL 11900k sample for this user guide. Welcome to a strange time in PC land. Where scalpers, miners, scammers and the pandemic have changed a landscape that was once standard fare and far too...

rog.asus.com

Are you going to fedex me some equipment or some extra thermal paste and pads so I can test things according to how you want things tested? I'm on section 8 and SSI and disabled. I am not rich and I do not have testing equipment. I only have my own hard work.
I apologize if that isn't enough for you. You're free to accept that or discard that at your whim.

First, I'm not sure that who you are makes any difference.

Second, it seems you had all the things you needed to test, not sure why there is so much attitude.

Third, I want to know what the ambient temps were, what was the humidity, is this in a confined area, the list goes on and on.....I want some info on methodology is all.

 

[Falkentyne]

First, I'm not sure that who you are makes any difference.

Second, it seems you had all the things you needed to test, not sure why there is so much attitude.

Third, I want to know what the ambient temps were, what was the humidity, is this in a confined area, the list goes on and on.....I want some info on methodology is all.

It's in a low income section 8 apartment in the desert. Ambients are atrocious. Like 30C (86F).