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That's a good point.Signal integrity will be better across a shorter distance on a motherboard after voltage being stepped down, than across relatively longer distance cable from the PSU as well.
That's a good point.Signal integrity will be better across a shorter distance on a motherboard after voltage being stepped down, than across relatively longer distance cable from the PSU as well.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X |
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Motherboard | ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) |
Cooling | Corsair iCUE H115i Elite Capellix 280mm |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill DDR4 3600Mhz CL18 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS GTX 1650 TUF |
Storage | Sabrent Rocket 1TB M.2 |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF |
Case | Corsair iCUE 4000X |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS Xonar D2X |
Power Supply | Corsair AX760 Platinum |
Mouse | Razer DeathAdder V2 - Wireless |
Keyboard | Redragon K618 RGB PRO |
Software | Microsoft Windows 11 Pro (64-bit) |
People are way more likely to reuse their PSU throughout multiple builds, so higher cost of PSU is justified.
For motherboard, especially on Intel platform where people have to change board every 2 gen, increasing the cost of motherboard is just moronic.
And the difference in power saving at idle is only a few watts even if efficiency improve by 20%
Classic Intel - stupid inside
System Name | Lenovo ThinkCentre |
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Processor | AMD 5650GE |
Motherboard | Lenovo |
Memory | 32 GB DDR4 |
Display(s) | AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz |
Mouse | Lenovo |
Keyboard | Lenovo |
Software | W11 Pro 64 bit |
So make the PSU bigger and move the CPU into there.Signal integrity will be better across a shorter distance on a motherboard after voltage being stepped down, than across relatively longer distance cable from the PSU as well.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE |
Memory | 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | RTX3080 Ti FE |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GN850P-B |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Audio Device(s) | SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Endgame Gear XM1R |
Keyboard | Wooting Two HE |
Dell is not that same company it was a few years ago... It should be noted that the problems with this system are not the fault of the PSU12V standard..For those interested, here's a $900 prebuilt PC from DELL that uses custom board with custom 6-pin EPS connector plus a custom 12V only PSU and SATA power being pulled directly from the board.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE |
Memory | 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | RTX3080 Ti FE |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GN850P-B |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Audio Device(s) | SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Endgame Gear XM1R |
Keyboard | Wooting Two HE |
I mean, they made a cooler that screws in into the case.Dell is not that same company it was a few years ago...
That's actually a very interesting design choice. Provides a level of stability that seems very solid. Totally non-standard, but a solid design.I mean, they made a cooler that screws in into the case.
System Name | Shizuka |
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Processor | Intel Core i5 10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro |
Cooling | Scythe Choten |
Memory | 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman |
Storage | 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300 |
Display(s) | BenQ BL2420PT |
Case | Cooler Master Silencio S400 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70 |
Power Supply | Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C) |
Mouse | Steel Series Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Hama SL 570 |
Software | Windows 10 Enterprise |
If I remember correctly, some other vendors were already putting those power supplies into computers. I might be wrong, but I remember Fujitsu boasting about "zero watt" power supplies. But then again, OEMs already had some weird power connectors and clearly were fine with using them.For those interested, here's a $900 prebuilt PC from DELL that uses custom board with custom 6-pin EPS connector plus a custom 12V only PSU and SATA power being pulled directly from the board.
Dell is not that same company it was a few years ago... It should be noted that the problems with this system are not the fault of the PSU12V standard..
System Name | Mini efficient rig. |
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Processor | R9 3900, @4ghz -0.05v offset. 110W peak. |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B450M DS3H, bios f41 pcie 4.0 unlocked. |
Cooling | some server blower @1500rpm |
Memory | 2x16GB oem Samsung D-Die. 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600 Pulse w/conductonaut @65C hotspot |
Storage | 1x 128gb nvme Samsung 950 Pro - 4x 1tb sata Hitachi 2.5" hdds |
Display(s) | Samsung C24RG50FQI |
Case | Jonsbo C2 (almost itx sized) |
Audio Device(s) | integrated Realtek crap |
Power Supply | Seasonic SSR-750FX |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Redragon K539 brown switches |
Software | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 + Windows 10 21H2 LTSC (patched). |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench: R15 3050 pts, R20 7000 pts, R23 17800 pts, r2024 1050 pts. |
System Name | Shizuka |
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Processor | Intel Core i5 10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro |
Cooling | Scythe Choten |
Memory | 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman |
Storage | 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300 |
Display(s) | BenQ BL2420PT |
Case | Cooler Master Silencio S400 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70 |
Power Supply | Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C) |
Mouse | Steel Series Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Hama SL 570 |
Software | Windows 10 Enterprise |
10nm wouldn't allow 20 cores, unless they got rid of igpu.Why wouldn't they just switch to 10nm, increase the core count to 20, while maintaining support with the lga 1200 platform?
And?10nm wouldn't allow 20 cores, unless they got rid of igpu.
System Name | Shizuka |
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Processor | Intel Core i5 10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro |
Cooling | Scythe Choten |
Memory | 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman |
Storage | 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300 |
Display(s) | BenQ BL2420PT |
Case | Cooler Master Silencio S400 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70 |
Power Supply | Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C) |
Mouse | Steel Series Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Hama SL 570 |
Software | Windows 10 Enterprise |
I don't think that Intel would ax the igpu.And?
Why not? Most people who would buy such a CPU wouldn't want the IGP anyway. Seems like it would be in Intel's best interests to make such a CPU.I don't think that Intel would ax the igpu.
System Name | Pioneer |
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Processor | Ryzen R9 9950X |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans... |
Memory | 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310 |
Storage | Intel 905p Optane 960GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs |
Display(s) | 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display |
Case | Thermaltake Core X31 |
Audio Device(s) | TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W |
Mouse | Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless |
Keyboard | WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps |
Software | Gentoo Linux x64 / Windows 11 Enterprise IoT 2024 |
You are confusing "green" new deal with "the cloud"Seems to me it is just more green new deal non-sense designed to push work off the desktop and into the cloud where it can be data mined and sold to the highest bidder.
...but maybe I'm just a pessimist.
System Name | Shizuka |
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Processor | Intel Core i5 10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro |
Cooling | Scythe Choten |
Memory | 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman |
Storage | 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300 |
Display(s) | BenQ BL2420PT |
Case | Cooler Master Silencio S400 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70 |
Power Supply | Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C) |
Mouse | Steel Series Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Hama SL 570 |
Software | Windows 10 Enterprise |
Not really. Right now during 'Rona times igpu for some people is their gaming gpu. Also for many people igpu is all they need for their workloads. It costs Intel money to design separate chips, instead of binning one for different SKUs. And let's not forget that this is Intel's consumer socket, not high end desktop socket. It only has to be good enough and maybe a bit more. 10 cores are enough. 6 cores is all you need now. And even if Intel got 10nm right, then die space wouldn't permit 20 cores, likely 14 or 16. Which is not enough to compete with AMD as Intel lacks in single thread performance. Not to mention that without power saving features, i9 is brutal on cooling and consumes a lot of power. There's no point in refreshing Skylake once again, it's dead.Why not? Most people who would buy such a CPU wouldn't want the IGP anyway. Seems like it would be in Intel's best interests to make such a CPU.
That's not the rule and it will not remain a thing. Cryptocoin is crashing and being busted down by the governments of the world, the "chip shortage" is starting to ease with most fabs ramping up production again due to easing of CV19 restrictions and people are starting to actually go back to work.Not really. Right now during 'Rona times igpu for some people is their gaming gpu.
System Name | Shizuka |
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Processor | Intel Core i5 10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro |
Cooling | Scythe Choten |
Memory | 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman |
Storage | 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300 |
Display(s) | BenQ BL2420PT |
Case | Cooler Master Silencio S400 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70 |
Power Supply | Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C) |
Mouse | Steel Series Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Hama SL 570 |
Software | Windows 10 Enterprise |
It will remain relevant enough for the rest of Rocket Lake lifespan. Which is 1 year with several months. AMD is now in difficult times, when they don't have igpus in Ryzen 9.That's not the rule and it will not remain a thing. Cryptocoin is crashing and being busted down by the governments of the world, the "chip shortage" is starting to ease with most fabs ramping up production again due to easing of CV19 restrictions and people are starting to actually go back to work.
Why wouldn't they just switch to 10nm, increase the core count to 20, while maintaining support with the lga 1200 platform?
System Name | Mini efficient rig. |
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Processor | R9 3900, @4ghz -0.05v offset. 110W peak. |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B450M DS3H, bios f41 pcie 4.0 unlocked. |
Cooling | some server blower @1500rpm |
Memory | 2x16GB oem Samsung D-Die. 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600 Pulse w/conductonaut @65C hotspot |
Storage | 1x 128gb nvme Samsung 950 Pro - 4x 1tb sata Hitachi 2.5" hdds |
Display(s) | Samsung C24RG50FQI |
Case | Jonsbo C2 (almost itx sized) |
Audio Device(s) | integrated Realtek crap |
Power Supply | Seasonic SSR-750FX |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Redragon K539 brown switches |
Software | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 + Windows 10 21H2 LTSC (patched). |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench: R15 3050 pts, R20 7000 pts, R23 17800 pts, r2024 1050 pts. |
So how does the 64core Threadripper work then? With ddr4 no problemo.Alder lake is already 10nm
You can't use the old 1200 socket, because you need DDR5 to feed that many cores (Alder Lake is starting with 16, but could get much higher on 7nm)
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 CL36 (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5) |
Video Card(s) | INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER TWIN X2 |
Storage | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO, 4TB WD Black SN850X |
Display(s) | 42" LG C2 OLED, 27" ASUS PG279Q |
Case | Thermaltake Core P5 |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 RGB |
VR HMD | HTC Vive Cosmos |
4 channels. Which also needs more pinsSo how does the 64core Threadripper work then? With ddr4 no problemo.
System Name | Mini efficient rig. |
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Processor | R9 3900, @4ghz -0.05v offset. 110W peak. |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B450M DS3H, bios f41 pcie 4.0 unlocked. |
Cooling | some server blower @1500rpm |
Memory | 2x16GB oem Samsung D-Die. 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600 Pulse w/conductonaut @65C hotspot |
Storage | 1x 128gb nvme Samsung 950 Pro - 4x 1tb sata Hitachi 2.5" hdds |
Display(s) | Samsung C24RG50FQI |
Case | Jonsbo C2 (almost itx sized) |
Audio Device(s) | integrated Realtek crap |
Power Supply | Seasonic SSR-750FX |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Redragon K539 brown switches |
Software | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 + Windows 10 21H2 LTSC (patched). |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench: R15 3050 pts, R20 7000 pts, R23 17800 pts, r2024 1050 pts. |
Well, yeah. But i was just talking about the core count, since Intel should release a cpu that beats the 5950X in multithreaded loads while consuming less power. That is the only way Intel can make a return. If they just focus on 4-8 thread performance (aka gaming, which is pathetic), whey would loose.4 channels. Which also needs more pins
IIRC AM4 uses 150-170 pins for one memory channel, plus a bunch for power. Roughly 150+150+100, so about 400 pins for 2 memory channels.
This is the same shit everyone has been repeating for the last three years; in that time, Intel has slogged through Ice Lake, then Tiger Lake 4c, then Tiger Lake 8c (will be impossible to buy before August).Well, yeah. But i was just talking about the core count, since Intel should release a cpu that beats the 5950X in multithreaded loads while consuming less power. That is the only way Intel can make a return. If they just focus on 4-8 thread performance (aka gaming, which is pathetic), whey would loose.