Intel's Raja Koduri Teases Xe-HPG (DG2) GPU with 512 Execution Units

[IceShroom]

I don't get why this guy has any 'street cred' in the GPU industry. It all seems to come from his time at AMD...from which he was fired, for the Vega debacle.

GPU architecture designed under his leadership still fetching high price on the market. And many want AMD to restart production of gpu's his team designed. And Vega is doing great in all Zen based APU's. And Adrenalin came out under his leadership. Vega dGPU was not what many hoped for but it was better than previous AMD flagship, R9 Fury X and was not like K10 to Bulldozer.
AMD is not responsible for Nvidia's price. Jensen Huang already said, If you want cheaper GPU buy more Nvidia GPU. So if you want your nvidia gpu to be cheaper buy nvidia gpu at breakfast , lunch and dinner.

 

[Fouquin]

I don't get why this guy has any 'street cred' in the GPU industry. It all seems to come from his time at AMD...from which he was fired, for the Vega debacle.

He was a vocal team member on R300 in 2001/2002. He was very prominent with ATi through 2006 in defending their DX9 approach, and took some credit for the development of R520 and R600 which introduced stream processing as a functional, viable replacement for fixed function FP pipelines. I wouldn't say his status is entirely undeserved, but he's never been great at marketing and should really not be in the public eye as much as he seems to be.

 

[Imouto]

This guy has been topping the vaporware sales chart for sooo long. It is a perfect example of the current Intel management.

 

[Operandi]

debacle debacle debacle, the vega 56 was arguably the better purchase in its price class so I dont think it was all that bad.

Vega as pretty bad for AMD. Sure they priced it where it needed to be in the market but a huge die with expensive HBM and only competitive performance meant that they could hardly make any money in the gaming and pro-sumer market. Product releases like Vega are unsustainable for any company let a lone a resource strapped company (at the time anyway) like AMD.

 

[Lindatje]

Raja and GPU’s…… “Vega and Radeon 7”….. no thanks.

 

[ur6beersaway]

Hope these things mine like shit, or we will never see one.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

So, who is going to take the plunge? The drivers are probably going to be a mess and who knows about their reliability down the road.

I don’t think I’d ever want a high-end GPU from Intel, but I’d be quite interested in something mid-range. I don’t need the GPU for gaming, but Darktable can make good use of a GPU if you can enable OpenCL. Intel’s Linux support is really good, and OpenCL can be enabled with one command. NVIDIA makes you use binaries, and getting OpenCL support working on AMD is more complicated, as it involves moving off their open source driver.

 

[z1n0x]

Raja hyping up stuff again?

 

[evernessince]

GPU architecture designed under his leadership still fetching high price on the market. And many want AMD to restart production of gpu's his team designed. And Vega is doing great in all Zen based APU's. And Adrenalin came out under his leadership. Vega dGPU was not what many hoped for but it was better than previous AMD flagship, R9 Fury X and was not like K10 to Bulldozer.
AMD is not responsible for Nvidia's price. Jensen Huang already said, If you want cheaper GPU buy more Nvidia GPU. So if you want your nvidia gpu to be cheaper buy nvidia gpu at breakfast , lunch and dinner.

Vega was only good for compute. They wasted far too much die space on features that did zero for gaming. Raja lead one of two engineering teams at AMD. His wasn't responsible for Adrenalin.

"And Vega is doing great in all Zen based APU's"

The newer Vega based APUs aren't the same ones designed by Raja. AMD made revisions to massively increase performance per watt since Raja left. Talking a 70% increase in performance per watt that Raja had no hand in. The original Vega based APUs were pretty meh.

When you compare what Raja did to what the other team at AMD did (Polaris, RDNA) you can pretty easily see why Raja is no longer at AMD.

 

[mechtech]

Every time I see Raja, the old movie Mystery Men always comes to mind

 

[Nordic]

So, who is going to take the plunge? The drivers are probably going to be a mess and who knows about their reliability down the road.

I am not so sure the drivers will be crap. Although intel has had foundry issues lately, they are overall pretty good at what they do. They already have gpu drivers and effective staff.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I've been dismissive of Xe until now but I have been thinking lately how could I Not get a Xe HGp ,I mean really, I dislike Nvidia in a lot of ways but had to try Rtx etc etc Why wouldn't I try out Intel's first proper attempt.

 

[Luminescent]

Intel has some influence in productivity apps, Adobe exclusively supported Intel IGPU for years and just in the last few months they added Amd and Nvidia because competition was getting ridiculously fast with GPU acceleration.
So for work Intel might be an excellent GPU, i will buy this in an instant even if it's average in games.

 

[Chrispy_]

So, who is going to take the plunge? The drivers are probably going to be a mess and who knows about their reliability down the road.

No need to take the plunge, the world can already see what state the drivers are in with TGL laptops.

Progress is good but they're not quite there for serious gamers yet with plenty of issues still to be ironed out with Xe80 and Xe96 graphics in the i5 and i7 respectively.

 

[Valantar]

Every time I see Raja, the old movie Mystery Men always comes to mind

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Damn, it seems that every time I'm reminded of a 90s movie it just underscores how frequent the use of deeply problematic racialized stereotypes (mostly played by either white actors or actors from entirely different ethnic groups) was back then. Heck, it's just 22 years since that film came out. Thankfully things have improved since then.

 

[Vayra86]

I've been dismissive of Xe until now but I have been thinking lately how could I Not get a Xe HGp ,I mean really, I dislike Nvidia in a lot of ways but had to try Rtx etc etc Why wouldn't I try out Intel's first proper attempt.

This isn't Intel's first proper attempt. I think the definition of proper has been undergoing inflation over the last few decades. They tried before and succeeded.. They had a superb IGP and axed it. I still to this day do not understand it when consoles deploy similar, more lean graphics pipelines with ditto memory systems and even manage this as APUs, albeit custom ones.

I truly wonder what Raja is really doing different right now other than some improvements in power delivery to suit the node it gets baked on, and a major expansion of the good old Intel Iris-budget version that could be so much more. The reason... cost effectiveness. In hindsight you could wonder if that was a good move and if the idea should not have been expanded upon...

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I mean... what IF... they had expanded this technology to a chiplet design to reach higher core counts instead of chasing 5Ghz for sales charts.

 

[Mysteoa]

They tease and tease but nothing much aside the teasing comes outta it. Guess we will have to wait a bit longer.
Wonder if the FSR is going to work on Intel's GPUs. Hopefully yes.

I read somewhere that FSR will work on Intel also

 

[ratirt]

I read somewhere that FSR will work on Intel also

That's a great news. I mean, why wouldn't it work if it's an open feature but you never know.

 

[mechtech]

Damn, it seems that every time I'm reminded of a 90s movie it just underscores how frequent the use of deeply problematic racialized stereotypes (mostly played by either white actors or actors from entirely different ethnic groups) was back then. Heck, it's just 22 years since that film came out. Thankfully things have improved since then.

Ya, I think a lot of those movies in the 90s were done in a non-malicious way. Just times have changed again in the past 20 years

 

[Valantar]

Ya, I think a lot of those movies in the 90s were done in a non-malicious way. Just times have changed again in the past 20 years

Yeah, I don't think it was typically done with malicious intent, it just demonstrates how clueless people used to be about the inherent offensiveness of using stereotypes and pariodies of other cultures as jokes. If the only people who look like you on tv/in movies are weirdly stereotyped joke characters (which becomes especially off-putting when coupled with brownface performances) that's never a good feeling for anyone.

 

[Caring1]

Yeah, I don't think it was typically done with malicious intent, it just demonstrates how clueless people used to be about the inherent offensiveness of using stereotypes and pariodies of other cultures as jokes. If the only people who look like you on tv/in movies are weirdly stereotyped joke characters (which becomes especially off-putting when coupled with brownface performances) that's never a good feeling for anyone.

Totally agree, Burt Lancaster playing an American Indian in Apache, I bet that left him red faced