Microsoft Clears Way for Windows 11: Windows 10 Support to End October 14th, 2025

[XiGMAKiD]

They need to stop worrying about the name of the OS instead they should worry about making properly designed OS, it's really sad looking at the UI mishmash every time I'm using it. Also Store is underutilized it's practically doesn't exist

 

[trparky]

There is some personal data transmitted but nothing really worth fretting your life away about. It's still less than ideal.

By virtue of being on the Internet you're never going to have the kind of privacy that some people seem to want. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that simply living in the modern world and stepping out your door will lead to your private data being used in some way. Contrary to what some tinfoil hat wearing people think, we aren't going to be able go back to the days of when your personal data wasn't out there somewhere in the world. The cat's out of the bag, the horse is out of the barn, Pandora's Box has been opened.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Ugh, Win10 is still a mess yet they try to release another one... My home PC still works on Win7, however I know that with new hardware, new OS will also come in.

(un)luckily can't get a GPU, so "new PC-shopping" is moved to the unspecified future.

What's the issue, Windows 10 has been very stable for me in multiple PCs (including a Macbook Pro in which ironically was more stable than MacOS), unless Overclocking is involved.
The main issue for some is the monitoring and privacy concerns, which I grant you are very serious and could be deal breaking.

 

[trparky]

it's really sad looking at the UI mishmash every time I'm using it

Yeah, they really need to fix that. There're many areas of the OS that still remind me of Windows 7.

Also Store is underutilized it's practically doesn't exist

If the Windows Store was ran more like the Apple App Store, it'd be successful. But it's not.

What's the issue, Windows 10 has been very stable for me in multiple PCs

Me too.

The main issue for some is the monitoring and privacy concerns

Again, this issue has been completely blown out of proportions. It's nowhere near as bad as some people would like you to believe.

 

[theFOoL]

I mean the freaking Control Panel is still around from Xp [Yes a slight color change] and the whole explorer hasn't changed since ahh... Windows 95! [Again with only minor UI change]

I like 7 bc you can add themes to your liking

 

[Easo]

Are we actually sure this means what it means? The initial release (LTSC to be fair, but still) already had 2025 as the end date. I mean, this from July 2015?

Windows 10 support from Microsoft confirmed to last until October 14, 2025

Microsoft has updated its Windows lifecycle fact web page for Windows 10, showing that the latest version of the OS will continue the tradition of having 10 years of support, ending on ...

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P.S.
It is so tiring to see the M$ and TELEMETRY in comments. Seriously, which year it is? I bet most of those comments come from people who manage to become part of botnets and "totally know what they are doing" when disabling Windows Update and other services.

 

[chrcoluk]

I mean the freaking Control Panel is still around from Xp [Yes a slight color change] and the whole explorer hasn't changed since ahh... Windows 95! [Again with only minor UI change]

I like 7 bc you can add themes to your liking

There will be good reasons for this, mainly that they better UI's than the replacements.

I am sure they will be killed of at some point, but the problem they have is they need to do it in a way without upsetting people.

Remember in win8 they said they were killing of win32 which would have killed both of the things you mentioned, but they had to back down as many rejected the idea.

 

[Totally]

Why announce an end-of-support date for W10 before W11 is even out? It just seems so pushy, like saying "move along, we don't want you using our old product, please buy our new one as soon as it comes out".

This is normal and they always do this. It just means they are going to stop feature updates and tech support. They'll still push bug fixes and patches until W10 is EOL'd then everything ends.

 

[trparky]

add themes to your liking

The only problem that I see is that there's so many programs out there with their own window dressing. Programs like Steam, Origin, GOG, Microsoft Office, Telegram, Google Chrome/Microsoft Edge and a whole lot more. Getting them to play well with OS-level themes is a pain in the ass.

 

[R-T-B]

By virtue of being on the Internet you're never going to have the kind of privacy that some people seem to want.

This is a symptom of a problem, and not an inherent requirement.

 

[trparky]

This is a symptom of a problem, and not an inherent requirement.

OK... explain.

 

[Totally]

The only problem that I see is that there's so many programs out there with their own window dressing. Programs like Steam, Origin, GOG, Microsoft Office, Telegram, Google Chrome/Microsoft Edge and a whole lot more. Getting them to play well with OS-level themes is a pain in the ass.

That is my main gripe with launchers and the like, Steam isn't so bad since it remains minimized in the systray but all the others when launching from a desktop icon for some reason need to maximized before running the game or program.

 

[XiGMAKiD]

This is a symptom of a problem, and not an inherent requirement.

Internet is the problem, off the grid is the answer

 

[Chrispy_]

What does the name matter? It's the same team working under the same direction with the same lack of focus on user experience and inability to get rid of things that have failed (Cortana, Windows Store, Bing). Rather than improve the underlying OS and UX/UI, they're continuing their scattergun approach of forcing feature-creep bloat that nobody asked for into the core UI whilst ignoring the glaring problems that have gone unfixed for years.

If they're going to make a next-generation of Windows they need to stop with all the legacy stuff and just design a singular, modern OS that runs light and clean with a single, non-schizophrenic interface. I'm still finding mandatory parts of the OS that are lazily copied across from WinNT in Windows 10 21H1 because Microsoft haven't committed to a complete OS in three decades, we just have a few areas of fresh paint covering up old shit ad infinitum.

If they charge money for Windows 11 they'd better remove the forced telemetry and ads. Once of the key changes I make to any W10 install I intend to use is disabling the Microsoft Consumer Experience and inane default modern apps installed by default via policy; Nobody likes ads, pre-installed vendor-bloat, or software that (re)installs itself without your consent. Microsoft are guilty of all three offences almost every biannual update. I'd pay money to avoid having to deal with all that garbage every install.

 

[R-T-B]

OK... explain.

You are able to connect without surrendering personal information on that level. We did it for all of the 90s and well into the turn of the millenia. There was a big ruckus when Intels P3 cpus had a embedded serial number even around that time because people were worried about being fingerprinted by it.

The issue is you no longer have much of a choice if you want to function as a modern digital person. That Pentium 3 issue would be chump change today.

Internet is the problem, off the grid is the answer

Not convincing me buddy. I like the computer, it's where my friends live.

 

[TheOne]

Has there been any indication so far that this isn't just Windows 10X just made into it's own full release?

 

[trparky]

Internet is the problem, off the grid is the answer

Unless, of course, you're willing to build a cabin out in the middle of the woods and be completely self-sufficient and/or only barter for goods that you can't make, good luck with that. I'd say that simply by virtue of living in the modern world you can't achieve the level of privacy that some people want. Paying something with a credit/debit card opens you up for data mining. How else do you think that a lot of anti-fraud systems work? They learn your buying habits and if a purchase is outside of your normal buying habits, the transaction is flagged as possibly fraudulent.

You are able to connect without surrendering personal information on that level.

Says you. Oh, I know... you're going to say things like VPNs and such. I can just see it now. Sign up for Private Internet Access today and get your privacy peace of mind today. Except that's not how it works. You have to hope that the VPN of your choice isn't keeping logs and even if they say that they don't keep logs, do you really believe them? If you do, I've got some bottom land to sell you; just don't ask me what it's at the bottom of.

 

[persondb]

I mean the freaking Control Panel is still around from Xp [Yes a slight color change] and the whole explorer hasn't changed since ahh... Windows 95! [Again with only minor UI change]

I like 7 bc you can add themes to your liking

Hey, explorer is fine. It doesn't need any change whatsoever. And from 95, it did have some quite big changes though the core remained the same.

You don't need to redesign the wheel for no reason. Explorer works, it's functional, does what's needed and etc. You should only redesign something if you need it to do something else, not simply for a new update.

 

[R-T-B]

Says you.

I lived it.

Oh, I know... you're going to say things like VPNs and such.

No, I consider IP logs a fine and essential level of disclosure. So no.

We are sending well above that now. Those "meaningless numbers" you saw? They aren't meaningless, they are app IDs, and timestamps of when you launched them.

But what do I know, security is just my uh... friggin day job.

 

[trparky]

No, I consider IP logs a fine and essential level of disclosure. So no.

There're some people that state that even that goes too far. They want absolutely no tracking and data collection of any kind whatsoever. Not even Apache access logs. Yes, I have talked to some of these people and they are truly the kind of nutjob that leaves me shaking my head. Trust me, there's a reason why I'm here and not over at DSLReports that's turned into nothing more than haven for nutjobs.

 

[R-T-B]

There're some people that state that even that goes too far. They want absolutely no tracking and data collection of any kind whatsoever. Not even Apache access logs. Yes, I have talked to some of these people and they are truly the kind of nutjob that leaves me shaking my head.

I'm not that type. But there is a middleground.

 

[trparky]

But there is a middleground.

Good for you, I've talked to people that state there is no middle ground. See? You're sane, I've talked to people who have truly gone off the deep end.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Win 10 is a hot garbage with telemetry, whatever M$ launches lets hope it is better than Win10.

This yes! It's fair to say that 10 was an improvement over 8 & 8.1, but let's face facts: A polished turd is still a turd.

I'll join you with hoping that 11 is better. But as I said elsewhere, not going to hold my breath.

 

[trparky]

It's fair to say that 10 was an improvement over 8 & 8.1

Windows 8.x was damn near unusable on a desktop, you practically needed StartIsBack, ClassicShell, etc. to make it not drive you fucking insane every time you wanted to access the Start Menu. At least Windows 10 made the new Start Menu usable on desktop unlike on Windows 8.x in which it broke the entire workflow.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I mean the freaking Control Panel is still around from Xp [Yes a slight color change] and the whole explorer hasn't changed since ahh... Windows 95! [Again with only minor UI change]

I like 7 bc you can add themes to your liking

And there is no problem with those aspects. There's an old saying: If it's not broken, DON'T fix it. I like Windows 7 for much the same reason!

Windows 8.x was damn near unusable on a desktop, you practically needed StartIsBack, ClassicShell, etc. to make it not drive you fucking insane every time you wanted to access the Start Menu. At least Windows 10 made the new Start Menu usable on desktop unlike on Windows 8.x in which it broke the entire workflow.

Agreed!