Intel DG2 Graphics Card Leakers Suggest Performance Similar to NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti, AMD RX 6700

[silentbogo]

Shortage does not affect your release schedule.

You are thinking of it backwards: shortage may or may not affect a release schedule, but shortage should affect how many times you delay, postpone, and stretch further your release schedule.
Remember, they've been already "sampling" DG2 to OEMs for over 1.5 years(e.g. it was technically ready for production or in production). And DG1 is just a Tiger Lake iGPU glued to its own PCB... and I don't see any Intel laptop shortages (e.g. the die is in super-active production).

but isn’t it the same for most gamers when it comes to the RTX 3000 series.

No, it's not the same. I can dig into my rainy day fund, walk out the door and buy another 30-series card in a matter of minutes. I can't buy DG1 even if I have a mil stashed in my bank account.

 

[Gundem]

I've been reading about this for soooo long... My hype is basically gone.

Even if they launch it with similar performances to good GPUs (of now), in a year the new RTX 4080 will appear and leave Intel in the dust again...
Stop leaking stuff... just send it!

We need GPUs now, and Intel could sell a whole bunch of them really fast, the market is needing powwaaa

I share your sentiments exactly. The best launch time was yesterday. Today is the next best.

 

[laszlo]

so "INTEL inside" 100% will become reality ...

 

[Dragokar]

Intel to roll out 7nm products in Ireland

Intel to roll out 7nm products in Ireland Yesterday's policy statements from Intel's new CEO mentioned the company's plans to build new facilities in

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Yeah when they finish the fab and start rolling out wafers in 2023 according to INTELs own forecast.

 

[Why_Me]

Yeah when they finish the fab and start rolling out wafers in 2023 according to INTELs own forecast.

Better than never.

 

[Dragokar]

Also probably going for the SuperFet 7nm CPU and not for the GPUs but we will see.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My take on this leak rumor is that the performance might be comparable to the stated GPUs in a particular situation. I would bet the DG2 will likely get in the 3060 range of performance and edge near 3060ti in overall performance.

 

[yeeeeman]

Sounds good but at what power draw and price? Also is this being built on tsmc 7n or an intel process? If its tsmc, I don't see how that would help the current situation. Also judging from all the iris xe youtube comparison videos, their drivers still need alot of work.

it would help the situation because intel is buying 6nm wafers only for gpus compared to amd who buys them for a lot of products and prioritizing the shipment to server products.

 

[Vayra86]

Sounds good but at what power draw and price? Also is this being built on tsmc 7n or an intel process? If its tsmc, I don't see how that would help the current situation. Also judging from all the iris xe youtube comparison videos, their drivers still need alot of work.

This, exactly...
- Power
- Price
- Software
- Die size

Unless those are in top notch condition, all this chip really is, is a lot of shaders with theoretical performance. IF we take the optimistic figure of 3070ti perf for granted, this gaming chip must also...

- Use below 300W
- Have temps below 80C with fan noise under 44-42dB ; and thats already more than competition has by quite a bit, but given the market, it would sell.
- Have a software suite that enhances streaming, photography and other creator functions; handles settings and tweaks well... not something current Intel drivers possess.
- Have some semblance of RT performance.
- Maintain 3070ti equivalent perf and frame pacing / times across numerous engines, (emulated) platforms and older APIs. DX9 must be flawless as well as DX11 and OGL.. etc
- Be competitive given die size and MSRP, so priced at/under 750~800 which again is being very generous to even motivate early adopters.

Good luck.

 

[rutra80]

This, exactly...
- Power
- Price
- Software
- Die size

Unless those are in top notch condition, all this chip really is, is a lot of shaders with theoretical performance. IF we take the optimistic figure of 3070ti perf for granted, this gaming chip must also...

- Use below 300W
- Have temps below 80C with fan noise under 44-42dB ; and thats already more than competition has by quite a bit, but given the market, it would sell.
- Have a software suite that enhances streaming, photography and other creator functions; handles settings and tweaks well... not something current Intel drivers possess.
- Have some semblance of RT performance.
- Maintain 3070ti equivalent perf and frame pacing / times across numerous engines, (emulated) platforms and older APIs. DX9 must be flawless as well as DX11 and OGL.. etc
- Be competitive given die size and MSRP, so priced at/under 750~800 which again is being very generous to even motivate early adopters.

Good luck.

In times like these some compromises are acceptable.

 

[awesomesauce]

The real question is: is this card going to be good at mining or not. Knowing Raja probably..

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

Intel if they play their hands right can gain mass market share for free if the rumours are true.

There is demand for high performance graphics cards, there is also demand for slightly lower perfomance cards as well (think 3060/6600xt range). If the DG2 is on par with those AND can be released soon then they should be able to get into the market very quickly as currently AMD/Nvidia have no tools to make it hard for them in the market. Intel are manufacturing their own cards and I think they could quite easily shift their lines over to DG2 production AND because of that they can undercut AMD/Nvidia prices with no way of them countering it as they dont have the stock to give.


What are you going to buy. A non existent AMD/Nvidia card? Or an Intel card thats 95% of the performance for near RRP?

 

[Arc1t3ct]

Intel if they play their hands right can gain mass market share for free if the rumours are true.

There is demand for high performance graphics cards, there is also demand for slightly lower perfomance cards as well (think 3060/6600xt range). If the DG2 is on par with those AND can be released soon then they should be able to get into the market very quickly as currently AMD/Nvidia have no tools to make it hard for them in the market. Intel are manufacturing their own cards and I think they could quite easily shift their lines over to DG2 production AND because of that they can undercut AMD/Nvidia prices with no way of them countering it as they dont have the stock to give.


What are you going to buy. A non existent AMD/Nvidia card? Or an Intel card thats 95% of the performance for near RRP?

I agree 100%

 

[nguyen]

Intel if they play their hands right can gain mass market share for free if the rumours are true.

There is demand for high performance graphics cards, there is also demand for slightly lower perfomance cards as well (think 3060/6600xt range). If the DG2 is on par with those AND can be released soon then they should be able to get into the market very quickly as currently AMD/Nvidia have no tools to make it hard for them in the market. Intel are manufacturing their own cards and I think they could quite easily shift their lines over to DG2 production AND because of that they can undercut AMD/Nvidia prices with no way of them countering it as they dont have the stock to give.


What are you going to buy. A non existent AMD/Nvidia card? Or an Intel card thats 95% of the performance for near RRP?

Intel couldn't compete on the CPU side where they had massive advantage, I wouldn't count on them to compete on the GPU side where they are pretty much nobody. Their DG1 couldn't even prove to be more efficient than Vega uarch (which was a failed uarch in the GPU world LOL), that why Intel didn't release a high performance DG1, they would get slaughtered.

 

[Vayra86]

In times like these some compromises are acceptable.

Times like the one that would end when Intel would release a mass produced gaming range, as well as the downward short-mid term trend in crypto

The pandemic is also nearly over. Intel isn't releasing today or tomorrow. And on top of thát, Nvidia has yet to release something on 7nm or smaller, which will naturally be much more competitive in power and die size than their current Ampere stack.

Those 'compromises' effectively turn Intel's GPU into unsellable when it is finally their time to market it. 3070ti perf will be midrange. 300W? That's AMD 2015-2019 all over again, and would solidly make Raja the salesman he is - no product you want to get anywhere close to unless its sold at heavy discount with no alternatives around.

They definitely need to tick those boxes - all of them.

Intel if they play their hands right can gain mass market share for free if the rumours are true.

There is demand for high performance graphics cards, there is also demand for slightly lower perfomance cards as well (think 3060/6600xt range). If the DG2 is on par with those AND can be released soon then they should be able to get into the market very quickly as currently AMD/Nvidia have no tools to make it hard for them in the market. Intel are manufacturing their own cards and I think they could quite easily shift their lines over to DG2 production AND because of that they can undercut AMD/Nvidia prices with no way of them countering it as they dont have the stock to give.


What are you going to buy. A non existent AMD/Nvidia card? Or an Intel card thats 95% of the performance for near RRP?

Stop thinking about what is the mood of the day or past months. Like many - its a natural way to think, but its not the time frame in which Intel is releasing this product.

You need to be thinking about what competition will do in the upcoming gen or refresh, as you can rest assured they will have one and quite soon too, given the usual release cadence. Intel isn't going to have the competition of 2020 to fight against, that was never available to begin with, right? Doesn't make sense.

 

[R0H1T]

and I don't see any Intel laptop shortages

The dGPU's are being made at Samsung(?) IIRC, also TGL-H is in short supply ~ so you're probably wrong on both counts.

 

[Slizzo]

The pandemic is also nearly over. Intel isn't releasing today or tomorrow. And on top of thát, Nvidia has yet to release something on 7nm or smaller, which will naturally be much more competitive in power and die size than their current Ampere stack.

Ampere is on TSMC 7nm as well as being on Samsung 8nm.

 

[Colddecked]

Ampere is on TSMC 7nm as well as being on Samsung 8nm.

IIRC, its only Samsung 8n..

 

[silentbogo]

The dGPU's are being made at Samsung(?) IIRC, also TGL-H is in short supply ~ so you're probably wrong on both counts.

XE LP is 10nm, and it's made by Intel. DG2 is manufactured at TSMC. The only thing I was wrong is availability. Just came back from the office and got the usual marketing spam from local e-Tailers, scrolled a bit down and lo and behold - DG1 in all it's glory at the "affordable" price point of 3995UAH(equiv. ~$148 or €123), which is more expensive than equally crappy but still more "powerful" GT1030 or even Quadro P400.

also TGL-H is in short supply ~ so you're probably wrong on both counts.

WTF are you smoking. I'm looking at 10 pages of laptops with 11th gen CPUs, amongst which is 3-4 pages of models specifically w/ G7 graphics (same thing that's on DG1). And that's just one store and I haven't even included gaming laptops. Hell, Comet Lake & Ice Lake is still in stock along with Ryzen 3000/4000 series. Even 5000-series isn't sold out, considering how fresh and "scarce" it is.
If you don't trust sneaky Ukrainians, check out Amazon, Newegg, or whatever. What I've learned over the past year of excessive fearmongering, is that nowadays any "shortage" in news only means that it's going to be more expensive, not less available.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm looking at 10 pages of laptops with 11th gen CPUs

TGL-H (45W) parts - how about you get me 5 pages full of them?

 

[silentbogo]

TGL-H (45W) parts - how about you get me 5 pages full of them?

I'm wondering how does that even relate to G7 die, which is in neither of these SKUs?
TGL-H barely got an official announcement in May, and there are barely half-a-dozen laptop models that were released on this platform since then. Why such a surprise?

Spoiler

 

[ScaLibBDP]

For estimated ( Not speculative! ) performance numbers of Intel Xe-series GPUs take a look at:

Exascale Processing Capability of Intel Xe-series GPUs ( VTR-121 )

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Am I the only one that noticed this-

the Intel DG2 448 EU graphics card to offer performance that's around the NVIDIA RTX 3070 (5% lower performance for the Intel part) and AMD's RX 6700 XT (8% lower performance for the Intel part).

When did the 6700XT start out performing the RTX 3070?

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 3070 Ti is designed to bring the fight to Radeon RX 6800 non-XT. To achieve their goal, NVIDIA maxed out the GA104 GPU design and switched to faster GDDR6X memory. Unfortunately, this also resulted in an increase in power consumption and heat output.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Slizzo]

IIRC, its only Samsung 8n..

Ampere (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scroll all the way to the right on the table 2/3rds down the article.

 

[Vayra86]

Ampere (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scroll all the way to the right on the table 2/3rds down the article.

Apples and apples please... - there is no gaming gpu on 7nm with Ampere so Nvidia would refresh the Geforce stack if it had accees to that node for it.

Similarly Intel already presents us a cut down version for the gaming flagship (or supposed). And the node defines how far they can take it, as it evidently did for all those frankensteined Amperes with low VRAM.