Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup

[tabascosauz]

LOL i just used the check if you can upgrade to windows 11 tool M$ put out. says my gtx 1070 laptop can't upgrade to windows 11.

sounds good me to M$.

Says the same for me on my 5900X main. I'm pretty sure it's just bugged to hell and back. It's Microsoft, it's always going to be a gong show.



Looking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

That, or it also checks if your current Windows 10 installation is running Secure Boot. Vast majority of us who know how to clean install Windows are only running UEFI with Secure Boot off, methinks. The website just says Secure Boot-capable only, but well...this is Microsoft we're talking about.

Time to go check on my XPS 9370 and re-enable the AMD PSP on my 5900X and 4650G to check.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Not sure a beta would be a good thing to use mint cinnamon 20.1 I believe is fine.
Tool is broken like most things ms creates lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

For business and enterprise it will always be there, enterprise will demand it so unless they pull it from Pro which I doubt it will always be in the Enterprise version.

That's a fair point!

Won't be me going "Ouchie-Ouchie" during the install.

Now THAT was funny!!

Looking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

Nope, we sure didn't. It's just not required when you install it a certain way, which bypasses those requirements.

 

[holyprof]

.................there's always a catch.........................

edit - I can see the EU having a field day with the 'mandatory internet connection'
probably won't fly in Europe

It will ... M$ has enough politicians lobbying for them. Where I work, the govt imposed using Windows and Office (and we had to pay it from our pocket) when we had just finished the migration to Linux.

 

[Operandi]

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The first article is e-mail thing, nothing to do with Windows. Someone at MS overstepped and did something really stupid.

Second one looks like a non-story. MS has on going cooperation with the US government in the interest of national security, big surprise... It sounds like essentially nothing happened, and what little did was legal. Or if there is more to it than that its not in that article.

 

[tabascosauz]

Nope, we sure didn't. It's just not required when you install it a certain way, which bypasses those requirements.

I didn't say it's not possible to install Windows 11 without a TPM......I was suggesting that MS is placing more emphasis on the presence of a TPM this time around, which is why the compatibility check fails. Doesn't mean it can't and won't be circumvented.

I no longer run a Secure Boot installation on my XPS 13, but the wizard says it's compatible with 11. The ultrabook has a hardware TPM, which enables the list of hardware security features in Windows. On my 5900X main (and I think my 4650G HTPC), if I disable the virtual PSP TPM, then I lose access to the hardware security settings page.

@Solaris17 so far from the compatibility wizard it doesn't look like Secure Boot will be mandatory, but who knows, the installer might have its own ideas come upgrade time.

 

[Solaris17]

The min requirements also state UEFI and secure boot. Not a big deal to me but might for people who disable driver enforcement or have an older system.

 

[R-T-B]

That ship sailed in the early 90's man.

RIP OS/2 Warp. The only OS that was killed not because it was inferior in any tangible way, but because they didn't want it to hurt the same companies Desktop sales.

 

[Totally]

Says the same for me on my 5900X main. I'm pretty sure it's just bugged to hell and back. It's Microsoft, it's always going to be a gong show.

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Looking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

That, or it also checks if your current Windows 10 installation is running Secure Boot. Vast majority of us who know how to clean install Windows are only running UEFI with Secure Boot off, methinks. The website just says Secure Boot-capable only, but well...this is Microsoft we're talking about.

Time to go check on my XPS 9370 and re-enable the AMD PSP on my 5900X and 4650G to check.

Not a bug it's an anti-pirating feature you can only run it using a VM, to bypass the hardware check.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

How is a Microsoft account any different than a Google or Apple account? I don't get it...

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic ---> "Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup"

Thank You.

 

[Deleted member 190774]

How is a Microsoft account any different than a Google or Apple account? I don't get it...

Well it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

this is just another step towards m$ making windows a cloud based service, with no more local installs.

 

[newtekie1]

Well it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

Except you are using their software, so you do need an account. Pretty easy really.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not a big deal to me but might for people who disable driver enforcement or have an older system.

That's a whole lot of people!

Except you are using their software, so you do need an account. Pretty easy really.

That is not an assumption they have the right to make. And for the record, it's not their software. Each copy belongs to us as users, we own it. That's the law. Microsoft owns the copyright, not the individual copy of the software itself.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

i will keep using win 10 then win 11. i don't give a shit what M$ want to do with any data they mine of me, as long as my PC works and i can play games etc. why are people so paranoid, worried they gonna see your pron pics or something.

I have a M$ account, good thing is it save the key on my account, so quite often, i can reinstall, log in on the setup and by the time windows is up and running it is already activated. also everyone should have a internet connection now, unless you are installing in the middle of the gobi desert, so this requirement is not that bad. there are things to install to stop m$ stealing your pron stash etc.

 

[Alexandrus]

the writing was on the wall

since recent builds of W10 Home, if you connected to the internet instead of skipping connecting you could not continue without a MS account - had to go outside the building to escape the WiFi coverage because you do not have a back button

Very not true. I literally just installed W10H a few hours ago on a laptop, connectet to the internet, and I used a local user account, had to create one.

 

[Totally]

Well it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

Well, now you do, just like you need an AppleID or Google Account to use their OS, (Though you can use macOS without Apple ID, you can do much of anything at all since you need access to the store.)

 

[lexluthermiester]

i will keep using win 10 then win 11

Not me. For this unacceptable act of attempted control I will be joining the movement to crack the hell of the installers and remove those requirements. I'll be sharing with everyone how to do it as well. Microsoft has finally cross the wrong line.

As you all may have guessed, the optimism expressed earlier in other threads is Gonesville!

 

[Caring1]

LOL what did I say in another comment. Told ya so. Have to have MS account no more local accounts which means they can track you.

Track me? I'ts not like I'm walking around carrying my desktop everywhere.

"Windows 11 ... will be offered as a free upgrade for existing Windows 10 users."

upgrade: raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular, improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.

So I guess the word upgrade is being used in an ironic sense?

Yeah must be a typo, surely they meant "update" not upgrade.

 

[newtekie1]

That is not an assumption they have the right to make.

Yes, it is.

And for the record, it's not their software. Each copy belongs to us as users, we own it. That's the law. Microsoft owns the copyright, not the individual copy of the software itself.

Nope, not how it works legally. You are licensing the use of their software. They always own the software, they are just letting you use it as long as you agree to their terms. That is why you are buying a software license, not the software.

Buying the actual software is a totally different process, and I guarantee you aren't paying $99 for it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, it is.


Nope, not how it works legally. You are licensing the use of their software. They always own the software, they are just letting you use it as long as you agree to their terms. That is why you are buying a software license, not the software.

Mister, I am not going to argue this point with you. You are incorrect. On this matter we can just agree to disagree.

 

[SuperShermanTanker]

Never going to attach a MS account to my PC gonna find a way to mod the OS if I have to

 

[BigDongle]

New Page

www.microsoft.com

If you live in the USA you do not own the product, just a license to use it.

 

[sam_86314]

So what exactly is the problem here? This is essentially the same as Windows 10 only now with Home they are requiring it so they can build the feature set with some semblance of predictability, ie everyone using it will have access to online account.

Is this an old codger thing conspiracy theorists or what? Do you not use a smart phone, or web browser (if its Chrome you are a fool)? Because if you do I hope you take your security there 10x more seriously as if someone as thats the most common vector for someone gather information from you, also it should probably be an iPhone.

MS is at least doing stuff that is potentially useful with the MS account unlike so many other companies that require you to sign into an account for literally no reason. To my knowledge MS has never been found to be doing anything nefarious with user data so again is this really a big deal or just feel good MS bashing?

Give 'em an inch, and they'll take a mile.

Also part of my Windows installation process is staying offline so that all of the useless crap like Candy Crush (my nemesis) doesn't get installed. Granted, I exclusively use Pro, but what's to stop M$ from putting this requirement in all editions of Windows 11?

Also, I'll just throw in that I do, in fact, use a Microsoft account AFTER I have everything set up to my liking.

Nice! I predicted there will be a great many utilities pop up to offer such customizations very soon!

The tools I used were Win Toolkit and VirtualBox of all things. I set up Windows in VirtualBox the way I wanted it, mounted the virtual machine drive, and used Win Toolkit to pack it into the install.wim file. I also used Win Toolkit to remove all the extra crap and create the ISO.

The result is a debloated Win10 installer with all of the basic apps I always end up installing already there. As I said earlier, it skips the OOBE, so all I have to do is log into the premade account, delete the VirtualBox drivers that I accidentally left in, verify my Firefox login, and I'm good to go.