NVIDIA Increasing Production of GeForce RTX 3060 Graphics Cards

[64K]

No, sorry, nothing "midrange" about this 3060 "THING" it can barely do 60FPS on high settings within games (1440p) but they advertise it as such a card, what a joke.

Not to mention, if you compare this with all the previous generation xx60 cards, it has the worst price/performance to date. No, just no, don't entertain nVidia and their lying bs. The only cards this generation worth a damn RTX3060Ti and RTX3080, they make sense price/performance, the rest gives too little performance and at too high a cost compared to previous generations.

Check this review out by W1zzard. Bear in mind you can turn on DLSS to get significantly better frame rates. I only see 4 games that you can't get significantly higher than 60 FPS at 1440p but really the xx60 GPUs have been for 1080p for a long time and that's what most gamers are using. For 1440p you really need a 3070 or 3080.

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I'm not sure what's going to happen with pricing though.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Check this review out by W1zzard. Bear in mind you can turn on DLSS to get significantly better frame rates. I only see 4 games that you can't get significantly higher than 60 FPS at 1440p but really the xx60 GPUs have been for 1080p for a long time and that's what most gamers are using. For 1440p you really need a 3070 or 3080.

MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio uses a huge triple-slot, triple-fan cooler that's much better than any other RTX 3060 we've tested today. Unsurprisingly, temperatures and noise levels in our RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio review are outstanding, with it runing incredibly cool while being...

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I'm not sure what's going to happen with pricing though.

The problem I have is; DLSS shouldn't be the crutch, especially since everything doesn't support it, also, I didn't say the 3060 is a 1440p card, because it's not, I said, it's being advertised as one, meaning AIB's, etc.

 

[nguyen]

The problem I have is; DLSS shouldn't be the crutch, especially since everything doesn't support it, also, I didn't say the 3060 is a 1440p card, because it's not, I said, it's being advertised as one, meaning AIB's, etc.

If you want to play yesterday games, buy a 1060, they are still plenty capable.
If you want to play new games, why would you disregard DLSS? new DLSS titles are coming out every month, free online games like Warzone, Fortnite and Rainbow Six (well this one is not free) support DLSS and people could play them for thousands of hours.

 

[64K]

The problem I have is; DLSS shouldn't be the crutch, especially since everything doesn't support it, also, I didn't say the 3060 is a 1440p card, because it's not, I said, it's being advertised as one, meaning AIB's, etc.

I was wrong to call it a midrange GPU by my own standards. A couple of things I look at are the product designation, memory bus width and number of transistors. The 3060 would be the upper end of Entry Level. The 3060 Ti and 3070 and 3070 Ti would be the Midrange.

 

[Hargema]

CHINA market again.
Cryptocurrency all time high? BUY GPU.
Cryptocurrency all time low and affordable prices? BUY GPU.

 

[RandAlThor]

Check this review out by W1zzard. Bear in mind you can turn on DLSS to get significantly better frame rates. I only see 4 games that you can't get significantly higher than 60 FPS at 1440p but really the xx60 GPUs have been for 1080p for a long time and that's what most gamers are using. For 1440p you really need a 3070 or 3080.

MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio uses a huge triple-slot, triple-fan cooler that's much better than any other RTX 3060 we've tested today. Unsurprisingly, temperatures and noise levels in our RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio review are outstanding, with it runing incredibly cool while being...

www.techpowerup.com

I'm not sure what's going to happen with pricing though.

By this logic we should be paying 500 EUR+ for a x60 series card and play at 640x480 resolution in 2021 as the x60 cards were originaly for that resolution 30 years ago. It is called progress. I should be getting a GPU after 6 years that can play on a higher resolution for the same amount of money, +about 10% for the inflation. Not 300% more expensive GPU that plays on the same effing resolution.

 

[64K]

By this logic we should be paying 500 EUR+ for a x60 series card and play at 640x480 resolution in 2021 as the x60 cards were originaly for that resolution 30 years ago. It is called progress. I should be getting a GPU after 6 years that can play on a higher resolution for the same amount of money, +about 10% for the inflation. Not 300% more expensive GPU that plays on the same effing resolution.

No we shouldn't be paying more than $300 for a xx60 but RTX came along and bumped all the prices up and then scalpers and miners made matters worse.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

No we shouldn't be paying more than $300 for a xx60 but RTX came along and bumped all the prices up and then scalpers and miners made matters worse.

Yes indeed, this is what made nVidia increase prices I agree, but then AMD released their counterparts to DLSS and also have raytracing, wasn't "competition" supposed to fix this problem?

I guess now they are both companies are smiling all the way to the bank with these new technologies that haven't even fully matured yet.

 

[bug]

Yes indeed, this is what made nVidia increase prices I agree, but then AMD released their counterparts to DLSS and also have raytracing, wasn't "competition" supposed to fix this problem?

I guess now they are both companies are smiling all the way to the bank with these new technologies that haven't even fully matured yet.

You're not suggesting two players in a market is competition, are you?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

You're not suggesting two players in a market is competition, are you?

Oh not me, no no, that is why the "competition" is in quotation marks, you see, it's review sites and youtube videos that perpetuate this lie. I just see a duopoly.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Oh not me, no no, that is why the "competition" is in quotation marks, you see, it's review sites and youtube videos that perpetuate this lie. I just see a duopoly.

It's not even a real duopoly I'm afraid, more like "a covered up" monopoly, where a market maker (Ngreedia) sets the rules of the game and the underdog (AMD) accepts them for mutual benefits.

"With a duopoly, each company will tend to compete against the other, keeping prices lower and benefiting consumers. However, since there are only two major players in an industry under a duopoly, there is a high likelihood that the facto monopoly could be formed through the collusion between the two companies."
"Collusion involves an agreement between competing entities with the purpose of manipulating the market often by inflating prices."

Collusion is considered illegal business practice when market is a duopoly, but who's really watching, US market regulators have become a toothless joke when it comes to corporations exploiting their market position.

 

[bug]

It's not even a real duopoly I'm afraid, more like "a covered up" monopoly, where a market maker (Ngreedia) sets the rules of the game and the underdog (AMD) accepts them for mutual benefits.

"With a duopoly, each company will tend to compete against the other, keeping prices lower and benefiting consumers. However, since there are only two major players in an industry under a duopoly, there is a high likelihood that the facto monopoly could be formed through the collusion between the two companies."
"Collusion involves an agreement between competing entities with the purpose of manipulating the market often by inflating prices."

Collusion is considered illegal business practice when market is a duopoly, but who's really watching, US market regulators have become a toothless joke when it comes to corporations exploiting their market position.

Almost spot on.
Collusion is rarely about price fixing (that's just something we like to cry about, because it makes us feel for each other for being screwed by big, bad companies). Most of the time collusion is about maintaining market share. Not setting it in stone, but making sure you're not driving the other party out of business which would attract unwanted scrutiny. Did you notice how, when AMD was on the brink, Nvidia "mysteriously" decided they would give up on consoles?

Moreover, this is not strictly about duopolies, it's about oligopolies. And it happens in many areas. I remember a few years back mobile operators were fined in France for coordinating their marketing strategies so as to stay within preset market bounds. I'm sure there's no shortage of other examples. Collusion itself is not evil. It's a manifestation of the self-preservation instinct (in C-level execs and other decision makers), that's what makes it so pervasive. Obviously, it hurts the public at large so it has to be kept in check.

 

[neatfeatguy]

At this point I'd be content with a 3060 to replace my aged 980Ti. I won't spend over $400 on one and that's pushing it. I'd still love to get my hands on a 3070 or even a 6800, but with stock so hard to come by and the price gouging of these cards, I won't ever get one.

*Update*
About an hour after this post EVGA emailed me saying I can pickup a RTX 3060. Got it coming to me for about $400 after use of the associate code I used and paying for standard shipping. I figure I won't come across any other chance anytime soon. I need to replace the 980Ti of mine that's been acting up with random fan spin ups. I should find good use of the card for a while.

 

[The red spirit]

The 3060Ti is also 30% faster while the extra VRAM on the 3060 is, at this point in time, useless. At MSRP the 3060Ti has more performance/$. The problem is that the 3060Ti hardly gets made so there's never any stock. Most GA104 chips just go into the 3070 & 3070Ti.

That extra VRAM allows you to have better textures, it's not useless.

 

[Glass Handed Kites]

Would it be questionable or wasteful for me to upgrade to a 3060, since I have a GTX 1660 Super, a WUXA monitor, and Ryzen 5800X?

 

[64K]

Would it be questionable or wasteful for me to upgrade to a 3060, since I have a GTX 1660 Super, a WUXA monitor, and Ryzen 5800X?

You would get a 40% increase in performance so that's a nice upgrade but wait to see the prices.

 

[Glass Handed Kites]

I would hate to pay anything over 20% above MSRP for this card.

Particularly considering the idea that when RDNA 3 comes out, the sub 200 watt cards in that lineup should be excellent. I've always been a big fan of the sub 200 watt cards, especially considering I never pay over $400 cdn for a graphics card.

 

[watzupken]

That extra VRAM allows you to have better textures, it's not useless.

In theory, yes. But higher texture requires beefier hardware, which the RTX 3060 don't really offer. You can tell that as the RTX 3060 struggles to differentiate itself from the Turing based RTX 2060 Super. So the lack of CUDA cores probably will bottleneck the card before we can see the benefits of the extra VRAM. After all, this is 100% a 1080p card, and maybe 60 to 70% 1440p suited for 1440p with raw raterization performance.

Would it be questionable or wasteful for me to upgrade to a 3060, since I have a GTX 1660 Super, a WUXA monitor, and Ryzen 5800X?

It won't be if the price is right. But at this point, you are probably paying quite a substantial amount for the RTX 3060, as compared to the GTX 1660 Super. So I won't think its a good upgrade.

 

[Rithsom]

I can't believe that some here are calling the 3060 a 1080p card. It seems like whenever a new generation of graphics cards comes out, people are inclined to downplay performance tiers that are still very capable. When the GTX 1080 came out, nothing else was faster, and many reviewers called it a proper 4K card. Well, now it loses to the 3060, and yet the 3060 is merely a 1080p card? Have games really gotten 2-3 times more demanding (the performance demand of 4K vs. 1080p) in five years? At least give the 3060 credit for providing a high refresh rate experience at 1080p...

 

[The red spirit]

In theory, yes. But higher texture requires beefier hardware, which the RTX 3060 don't really offer. You can tell that as the RTX 3060 struggles to differentiate itself from the Turing based RTX 2060 Super. So the lack of CUDA cores probably will bottleneck the card before we can see the benefits of the extra VRAM. After all, this is 100% a 1080p card, and maybe 60 to 70% 1440p suited for 1440p with raw raterization performance.

In what theory? You can paly with better textures with zero impact on your performance, as long as you have enough vRAM. This has been true pretty much since early AGP era of cards and continues to be. It also applies to low end cards like nVidia FX 5200, Radeon HD 5450. Same way you can apply anisotropic filtering and there will be no fps cost, but that wasn't always the case when first cards capable of aniso came out. More vRAM on value card pretty much equates to higher texture quality and better card longevity. Otherwise RTX 3060 isn't a weak card and is perfect at 1080p and good enough at 1440p. It's pretty decent, the only problem is that it's stupidly priced (even ignoring GPU shortages) and there isn't anything lower end like GTX 1760 or RTX 3050 Ti.

 

[watzupken]

In what theory? You can paly with better textures with zero impact on your performance, as long as you have enough vRAM. This has been true pretty much since early AGP era of cards and continues to be. It also applies to low end cards like nVidia FX 5200, Radeon HD 5450. Same way you can apply anisotropic filtering and there will be no fps cost, but that wasn't always the case when first cards capable of aniso came out. More vRAM on value card pretty much equates to higher texture quality and better card longevity. Otherwise RTX 3060 isn't a weak card and is perfect at 1080p and good enough at 1440p. It's pretty decent, the only problem is that it's stupidly priced (even ignoring GPU shortages) and there isn't anything lower end like GTX 1760 or RTX 3050 Ti.

The RTX 3060 is certainly not a bad card, but if you look at current games where maxing out graphic settings and at 4K, most of them are not touching 8GB. A handful of them may reach 9 to 10GB. For a 1080p and even 1440p, the VRAM requirement is even lower. For newer games, so far I have not seen any benefits from having 8GB vs 12GB at this point in time, if we just look at a resolution that applies to this card, and that is 1440p. A RTX 3060 Ti handily beats the RTX 3060 with a 20% lead in performance, and at a given level of texture quality.

 

[The red spirit]

The RTX 3060 is certainly not a bad card, but if you look at current games where maxing out graphic settings and at 4K, most of them are not touching 8GB. A handful of them may reach 9 to 10GB. For a 1080p and even 1440p, the VRAM requirement is even lower. For newer games, so far I have not seen any benefits from having 8GB vs 12GB at this point in time, if we just look at a resolution that applies to this card, and that is 1440p. A RTX 3060 Ti handily beats the RTX 3060 with a 20% lead in performance, and at a given level of texture quality.

For now. Everything will change after several years. GTX 1060 3GB is in some cases worse than GTX 1050 Ti 4GB, because of VRAM deficiency. RTX 3060 Ti will die like that, due to stupid design decision. RTX 3060 Ti shouldn't exist as it is yet another shortsighted cash grab by nVidia, meanwhile RTX 3060 is a proper upper midrange card. And to be honest both of them don't make any sense as they are too weak to RTX and too expensive to be justified as mid range cards. So either way, they both fail to deliver proper value, just that 3060 Ti is even worse offender.

 

[Glass Handed Kites]

The RTX 3060 is certainly not a bad card, but if you look at current games where maxing out graphic settings and at 4K, most of them are not touching 8GB. A handful of them may reach 9 to 10GB. For a 1080p and even 1440p, the VRAM requirement is even lower. For newer games, so far I have not seen any benefits from having 8GB vs 12GB at this point in time, if we just look at a resolution that applies to this card, and that is 1440p. A RTX 3060 Ti handily beats the RTX 3060 with a 20% lead in performance, and at a given level of texture quality.

I've heard very different stories about vRAM. I've heard about people running out of vRAM at 1440p with a 3070. And I've seen screen shots to show the texture quality loss.

Without a comprehensive study of this by a big tech journalist company, I suppose all we have are anecdotal claims. From myself, you, or others.