Intel Books Two 3 nm Processor Orders at TSMC Manufacturing Facilities

[z1n0x]

This is seriously disappointing....I've been saying it since AMD first released zen....that we consumers/enthusiasts are in peril of going back to intel hegemony and 5% performance gains until AMD reaches 50% market share across all segments....history repeats itself, last time AMD threatened, Intel bribed OEMs....this time, they're just using financial power instead of actually making a better product (but then again, that's par for the course in late-stage, highly concentrated/cartel capitalism)...here's to a return to stagnation

Don't worry this very likely a BS article sponsored by Intel's marketing. Apple is TSMC most important customer, and AMD been also very important, no way they will screw them like that.
Plus Intel has no chance at financial war with Apple. Apple ~$200b cash, Intel ~$24b cash.

 

[Operandi]

Don't worry this very likely a BS article sponsored by Intel's marketing. Apple is TSMC most important customer, and AMD been also very important, no way they will screw them like that.
Plus Intel has no chance at financial war with Apple. Apple ~$200b cash, Intel ~$24b cash.

Pretty much this. TSMC needs its fabless partners (Apple and AMD) far more than it needs a quick cash grab by working with Intel. TSMC will do business with Intel to help fill in the gaps in Intel's manufacturing but they won't do it at the expense of AMD who is a long term strategic partner and forget about trying to outbid Apple for capacity.

Now if Intel spins off its fabs and they go the way Global Foundries and Intel taps TSMC as their main fab then yeah AMD could be in trouble but Intel shows no signs of doing that and even if they did such a transition would be several years away and who knows what the landscape would look like by the time that could happen.

 

[Space Lynx]

PSP is worse than Management engine IMO, not because it is actually known to be worse, but because we understand what the management engine does (not much) and nearly no one has done research on the PSP.

It scares me for the reason anyone is scared of the unknown: We don't know what it does. It seems to have some tie ins to qualcomm patent wise. That's all I know.

well let's hope Intel stops having makeout sessions in the office and gets back to making good performing products, I use what is cheapest and gives me the best performance YEEEEHAAAA

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

well let's hope Intel stops having makeout sessions in the office and gets back to making good performing products, I use what is cheapest and gives me the best performance YEEEEHAAAA

One question, are we in a rodeo now

 

[R-T-B]

well let's hope Intel stops having makeout sessions in the office and gets back to making good performing products, I use what is cheapest and gives me the best performance YEEEEHAAAA

I don't disagree with that. Rocket lake had nothing for me, I mean at best it was a moderately better 8-core. I wanted a much better 8-core.

Just bought a Ryzen 5800X btw.

 

[Nash]

Don't worry this very likely a BS article sponsored by Intel's marketing. Apple is TSMC most important customer, and AMD been also very important, no way they will screw them like that.
Plus Intel has no chance at financial war with Apple. Apple ~$200b cash, Intel ~$24b cash.

The companies are significantly more than cash on hand, Intel ~$250 billion Apple ~$495 billion.
Apple sits on money, Intel spend theirs, neither is going to war with the other.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't disagree with that. Rocket lake had nothing for me, I mean at best it was a moderately better 8-core. I wanted a much better 8-core.

Just bought a Ryzen 5800X btw.

I saw the 5900x were back in stock today as well as the 5800x. I think 5900x at $549 is a pretty good deal, but since 5800x is now selling for $399 on regular basis, it makes more sense imo.

 

[zlobby]

I guess next time I take a piss I'll just start opening my front door and let AMD and Intel and M$ and Google have all the telemetry data they want on my flow rate!!! They want all the info they can have it boys!!! YEEEHAAAA

There are also FB, satelites, CCTV, you name it. Being truly anonymous today is the real luxiry.

 

[Patr!ck]

Another sad news for you AMD fanboys. AMD just lost market share in the latest Steam Survey. Last month I warned people in the AMD subreddit that Tiger Lake-H launch will have an impact by next month and here we are https://www.techspot.com/news/90282...intel-latest-steam-survey.html#commentsOffset https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

 

[Operandi]

Another sad news for you AMD fanboys. AMD just lost market share in the latest Steam Survey. Last month I warned people in the AMD subreddit that Tiger Lake-H launch will have an impact by next month and here we are https://www.techspot.com/news/90282...intel-latest-steam-survey.html#commentsOffset https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Lol, you warned ppl.... thats nice. Steam hardware survey means nothing. Market share is dictated by capacity, AMD by nearly every meaningful metric has the better chips and sells everything they can make; if they had more capacity to they'd have more market share, its that simple.

 

[First Strike]

Don't know what's happening inside Intel. But they were pretty serious about pushing their 7nm. How come they decide to drop everything on ~5nm node? That they are feeding ramper products into an early TSMC process is something troublesome to hear.

 

[Nash]

And from the processor list by Steam the winner is.....

Microsoft???

 

[Patr!ck]

Lol, you warned ppl.... thats nice. Steam hardware survey means nothing. Market share is dictated by capacity, AMD by nearly every meaningful metric has the better chips and sells everything they can make; if they had more capacity to they'd have more market share, its that simple.

Sure, it means nothing until it means something. AMD fanboys are a bunch of hypocrites. Every time AMD claws some market share back a reddit post like this one pops up https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/nsjduz or even a TechPowerUp article FULL of AMD fanboy comments like this one https://www.techpowerup.com/282981/amd-breaks-30-cpu-market-share-in-steam-hardware-survey with AMD fans using those numbers as fact. LOL. I don't really care about the Steam Survey in itself. It means nothing but the hypocrisy of AMD fans is what amazes me

 

[Operandi]

Sure, it means nothing until it means something. AMD fanboys are a bunch of hypocrites. Every time AMD claws some market share back a reddit post like this one pops up https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/nsjduz or even a TechPowerUp article FULL of AMD fanboy comments like this one https://www.techpowerup.com/282981/amd-breaks-30-cpu-market-share-in-steam-hardware-survey with AMD fans using those numbers as fact. LOL. I don't really care about the Steam Survey in itself. It means nothing but the hypocrisy of AMD fans is what amazes me

Are you even trying to make a point? All I see is someone that is weirdly upset that AMD is doing well and people are excited about it after 5+ years of the company in a tailspin into bankruptcy.

Take it from "fanboys" or reality; AMD has the better tech and their market share is limited by manufacturing capacity. That said its very much Intel's market to loose; and maybe they'll have something good in Alderlake for enthusiasts to get excited about but their manufacturing is having real problems and AMD isn't sitting still like the last time they had a lead.

 

[R-T-B]

And from the processor list by Steam the winner is.....

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Microsoft???

Looks like GenuineIntel from over here... with AMD actually losing share. Not that that means much.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

And from the processor list by Steam the winner is.....

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Microsoft???

Lately, most people go intel because of price, availability, and iGPU.

 

[Arjai]

Lately, most people go intel because of price, availability, and iGPU.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Intel admits defeat yikes

Interesting interpretation. Deeply flawed and bereft of all logic, but interesting.

 

[Richards]

Another sad news for you AMD fanboys. AMD just lost market share in the latest Steam Survey. Last month I warned people in the AMD subreddit that Tiger Lake-H launch will have an impact by next month and here we are https://www.techspot.com/news/90282...intel-latest-steam-survey.html#commentsOffset https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Intel got them panicking

Are you even trying to make a point? All I see is someone that is weirdly upset that AMD is doing well and people are excited about it after 5+ years of the company in a tailspin into bankruptcy.

Take it from "fanboys" or reality; AMD has the better tech and their market share is limited by manufacturing capacity. That said its very much Intel's market to loose; and maybe they'll have something good in Alderlake for enthusiasts to get excited about but their manufacturing is having real problems and AMD isn't sitting still like the last time they had a lead.

Lol intel 10 tines bigger than amd.. and they could buy amd right now through a hostile takeover if the law allowed

 

[eidairaman1]

Another sad news for you AMD fanboys. AMD just lost market share in the latest Steam Survey. Last month I warned people in the AMD subreddit that Tiger Lake-H launch will have an impact by next month and here we are https://www.techspot.com/news/90282...intel-latest-steam-survey.html#commentsOffset https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Rolling eyes

Intel got them panicking


Lol intel 10 tines bigger than amd.. and they could buy amd right now through a hostile takeover if the law allowed

Not true.

Lately, most people go intel because of price, availability, and iGPU.

Apus are superior to intel

 

[Arc1t3ct]

Apus are superior to intel

A 10600K/11600K is as fast if not faster than a 5600X, readily available, and A LOT cheaper. The 5600G APU is a ghost...

 

[z1n0x]

Another sad news for you AMD fanboys. AMD just lost market share in the latest Steam Survey. Last month I warned people in the AMD subreddit that Tiger Lake-H launch will have an impact by next month and here we are https://www.techspot.com/news/90282...intel-latest-steam-survey.html#commentsOffset https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Sure, it means nothing until it means something. AMD fanboys are a bunch of hypocrites. Every time AMD claws some market share back a reddit post like this one pops up https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/nsjduz or even a TechPowerUp article FULL of AMD fanboy comments like this one https://www.techpowerup.com/282981/amd-breaks-30-cpu-market-share-in-steam-hardware-survey with AMD fans using those numbers as fact. LOL. I don't really care about the Steam Survey in itself. It means nothing but the hypocrisy of AMD fans is what amazes me

There are historical reasons as to why people cheer for AMD and are worried of Intel. Have you forgotten?

About the article. I still don't believe that TSMC would allow Intel to get infront of AMD, let alone Apple for any meaningful capacity.
TSMC would enable its competitor Intel, to compete with its strategic fabless clients, how does that work?
Assuming this article is correct, possible explanation could be. There is expensive low yield capacity, that no one else want, so Intel picked that up for whatever reason.

 

[dicktracy]

Insecure fanboys will hate this!

TSMC's big 3 customers will be Apple, Intel and Qualcomm. Everyone else will either have to settle with inferior nodes or beg for leftover craps. I can see Nvidia staying with Samsung for many years to come.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Insecure fanboys will hate this!

TSMC's big 3 customers will be Apple, Intel and Qualcomm. Everyone else will either have to settle with inferior nodes or beg for leftover craps. I can see Nvidia staying with Samsung for many years to come.

Seems like it's Intel patch wearing day in TPU land.

I think you and others are on crack, to be honest, Intel are now going to replace AMD as a Tsmc customer, they'll get scraps.
The deals to manufacture tech and use nodes are not short batch order's, they're contract's to assure manufacture and capacity, and done for year's in advance.
Tsmc would have little to gain from kicking AMD to the curb or the ability too.
And Tsmc knows Intel's fabs are growing, not being sold off so this business from Intel could be fleeting or not, it's in Tsmcs interest to increase it's manufacturing capacity and deliver to all.

No one's sitting still ,waiting for the competition to make a move , the pieces were in play for years and we're just hearing the results.

It's like some don't understand node introduction and at risk manufacture verses ramped and ready nodes.

 

[z1n0x]

Insecure fanboys will hate this!

TSMC's big 3 customers will be Apple, Intel and Qualcomm. Everyone else will either have to settle with inferior nodes or beg for leftover craps. I can see Nvidia staying with Samsung for many years to come.