Windows 11 General Discussion

[Mussels]

You sure you set up AB correctly? it'd been so long since i installed it, i forgot about all the boxes i had to tick to unlock voltages and such, as well as saving profiles, locking that little windows button to load the profile on boot...

 

[FireFox]

You sure you set up AB correctly?

Profile created saved and applied then ticked the button apply overclock at windows start up. The same steps as always.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not on my Watch M$! with WiNPass11 LINK

Dear microsoft,

We all know you lurk this forum and that you've been watching this thread. Regardless of your efforts to "enforce" UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements, there will be a massive movement to defeat and remove same. Why? Many reasons. Here's a few. There are a GREAT many PC's out there more than capable of running Windows 11, that do not have UEFI and/or TPM. Locking them out of Windows 11 and trying to force them to stay on Windows 10 is a fools gambit as you are doing literally nothing for security concerns. Why should the users of those systems be required to buy a whole new PC just because you say so? Your explained reasons of greater "security" are misguided at best and laughable at worst. So tell us all, what's the real reason?

Then there is SecureBoot. The purpose of this "feature" is to ensure that only "Windows" and other "SecureBoot" enabled software has boot access. This presents a massive problem for software used to secure a system in ways SecureBoot interferes with and Windows does not and can not provide. It also means that emergency boot utilities will either not function at all or will be crippled to an extreme. This makes troubleshooting a very problematic endeavour. This can only be interpreted as an effort to lock users out of their own PCs in a way similar to Apple iOS and bootlocking on Android. It is completely unacceptable.

You folks continue to think you know what's best for everyone. You are incorrect. What's likely to happen is what will effectively be an all out war on yourselves declared in a way you have never before seen by the communities that need different configurations than what you have defined. Therefore, you might want to consider making the options to use Windows 11 on systems the user needs and in ways the user defines available to those who need special configurations. Making those features enabled by default and strongly encouraging their use is one thing, but forcing them is another, one that will not be accepted by a great many users.

Remember those things called "Product Activation" and "Windows Genuine Advantage" that where meant to kill piracy and supposedly provide better security through "verified copies of Microsoft software". Yeah, how's THAT going? Right, not well. Not even close to effective. Windows and Office have continuously and consistently been cracked, patched and spread the world over. Everytime you come up with something new, it's defeated in days(if not hours). Do you think you will succeed with the requirements you have defined? Hmmm? History says no(and I personally think not). So why bother? You're not going to succeed. You're only pissing off a lot of people who would otherwise be very excited about Windows 11.

And let's be honest, most of us have no problem PAYING for software. I personally have dozens of retail copies of Windows. Sticking with a retail business plan but asking a reduced price($50 or $60 maybe) is fully acceptable. Windows 11 is shaping up to be something good. Don't screw it up with asinine and halfwit agenda based nonsense.

It's time to reconsider your position and alter your deployment strategy.

Good luck!

 

[plastiscɧ]

Dear microsoft,

We all know you lurk this forum and that you've been watching this thread. Regardless of your efforts to "enforce" UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements, there will be a massive movement to defeat and remove same. Why? Many reasons. Here's a few. There are a GREAT many PC's out there more than capable of running Windows 11, that do not have UEFI and/or TPM. Locking them out of Windows 11 and trying to force them to stay on Windows 10 is a fools gambit as you are doing literally nothing for security concerns. Why should the users of those systems be required to buy a whole new PC just because you say so? Your explained reasons of greater "security" are misguided at best and laughable at worst. So tell us all, what's the real reason?

Then there is SecureBoot. The purpose of this "feature" is to ensure that only "Windows" and other "SecureBoot" enabled software has boot access. This presents a massive problem for software used to secure a system in ways SecureBoot interferes with and Windows does not and can not provide. It also means that emergency boot utilities will either not function at all or will be crippled to an extreme. This makes troubleshooting a very problematic endeavour. This can only be interpreted as an effort to lock users out of their own PCs in a way similar to Apple iOS and bootlocking on Android. It is completely unacceptable.

You folks continue to think you know what's best for everyone. You are incorrect. What's likely to happen is what will effectively be an all out war on yourselves declared in a way you have never before seen by the communities that need different configurations than what you have defined. Therefore, you might want to consider making the options to use Windows 11 on systems the user needs and in ways the user defines available to those who need special configurations. Making those features enabled by default and strongly encouraging their use is one thing, but forcing them is another, one that will not be accepted by a great many users.

Remember those things called "Product Activation" and "Windows Genuine Advantage" that where meant to kill piracy and supposedly provide better security through "verified copies of Microsoft software". Yeah, how's THAT going? Right, not well. Not even close to effective. Windows and Office have continuously and consistently been cracked, patched and spread the world over. Everytime you come up with something new, it's defeated in days(if not hours). Do you think you will succeed with the requirements you have defined? Hmmm? History says no(and I personally think not). So why bother? You're not going to succeed. You're only pissing off a lot of people who would otherwise be very excited about Windows 11.

And let's be honest, most of us have no problem PAYING for software. I personally have dozens of retail copies of Windows. Sticking with a retail business plan but asking a reduced price($50 or $60 maybe) is fully acceptable. Windows 11 is shaping up to be something good. Don't screw it up with asinine and halfwit agenda based nonsense.

It's time to reconsider your position and alter your deployment strategy.

Good luck!

you have described very detailed what reasonable companies and people would do if they were not so nefarious and dividend greedy as the company microsoft has become over the decades!

I go out on a limb and dare to say that M$ does not care who buys which licenses for how much money!
unless you live in the AMERICAS or the EU! there is terrible lobbyism that has the consequence that the money is pulled out of our pockets that it can make you dizzy!
who please pays 60€ for a windows license? at least not me...

I will also explain why and also say something about the conclusion;

i bought my windows license in china for a whopping 1.86$! legal. credit card and already 3.2.1 mine!
MS does not want to lose even a 1.4 billion people market a tired mark to the competition! they squander it therefore in countries outside of our sphere of influence, 20 years ago still, lie / lay.
now it should be noted that Microsoft simply does not sell things of value#! there is no value creation takes place! win11 is based on win10 and is a bit more colorful and slicker!
where is the added value? where is the sustainability?

nicely written! i will continue to buy my digital goods in the intercontinental retail space.
unfortunately, your really shr well-meant post does not change the basic situation of greed and the inability to think and act in healthy scales.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
On what basis do you think MS lurks this forum Lex ?

There are many dedicated windows forums and they have their own massive answers.microsft forum which I frequented long ago not to mention technet.
So frankly I don't see it happening.

Many other windows forums have many tutorials this one has none.

If you're thinking your feedback is best added here instead of the feedback hub you're likely mistaken.

 

[FireFox]

who please pays 60€ for a windows license? at least not me...

That would be silly.
€5, that's a fair price

 

[ThrashZone]

you have described very detailed what reasonable companies and people would do if they were not so nefarious and dividend greedy as the company microsoft has become over the decades!

I go out on a limb and dare to say that M$ does not care who buys which licenses for how much money!
unless you live in the AMERICAS or the EU! there is terrible lobbyism that has the consequence that the money is pulled out of our pockets that it can make you dizzy!
who please pays 60€ for a windows license? at least not me...

I will also explain why and also say something about the conclusion;

i bought my windows license in china for a whopping 1.86$! legal. credit card and already 3.2.1 mine!

Spoiler: more

MS does not want to lose even a 1.4 billion people market a tired mark to the competition! they squander it therefore in countries outside of our sphere of influence, 20 years ago still, lie / lay.
now it should be noted that Microsoft simply does not sell things of value#! there is no value creation takes place! win11 is based on win10 and is a bit more colorful and slicker!
where is the added value? where is the sustainability?

nicely written! i will continue to buy my digital goods in the intercontinental retail space.
unfortunately, your really shr well-meant post does not change the basic situation of greed and the inability to think and act in healthy scales.

Hi,
If you go to MS store 10 home is 150.us and 10 pro is 200.us and you don't even get a activation key lol
So yeah I do believe they care it just takes a lot of resources to deal with it plus now the users are the product so ms sells their usage to many other companies pretty much anyone willing to pay ms for it.

One product that is making $$ hand over fist is xbox app and xbox period then there is office and cloud crapola.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
If you go to MS store 10 home is 150.us and 10 pro is 200.us and you don't even get a activation key lol
So yeah I do believe they care it just takes a lot of resources to deal with it plus now the users are the product so ms sells their usage to many other companies pretty much anyone willing to pay ms for it.

One product that is making $$ hand over fist is xbox app and xbox period then there is office and cloud crapola.

and there are countries on this globe they have a market structures as well. the pure capitalism has its origin not in the far east. we are living global todays. it is not that hard to look for alternatives by looking far over a plates/dishes border and recognizing what happens out there.

and act in way whats best for me/them.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep ms price gouges the stupid lol

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
Yep ms price gouges the stupid lol

the step from win NT/2000 to XP was a real big one. this was value created by that company lasting for more than 15 years. but 10 * 11 no way. its like having a new mobile for 1200$/€ every year with out a big need.
this is shareholder value only, imo

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
On what basis do you think MS lurks this forum Lex ?

Oh, they lurk here. You can bet real money on it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Oh, they lurk here. You can bet real money on it.

Hi,
Where do you get this feeling from ?
Feels more like google to me sort of creepy lol

 

[windwhirl]

the step from win NT/2000 to XP was a real big one. this was value created by that company lasting for more than 15 years. but 10 * 11 no way. its like having a new mobile for 1200$/€ every year with out a big need.
this is shareholder value only, imo

To be fair, at this point in time the investment is mostly thrown into software maintenance (bug and security fixes), not new features.

And even then, the new features have been dropping slowly over the years, so yeah. Somewhat big jump if you were upgrading from original Windows 10 RTM (July 2015) to Windows 11, otherwise if you kept up with the feature upgrades and are, say, in 1909 or later, you won't notice much difference.

Say what you want about people complaining about the bugs, but between the massive codebase and the massive userbase, it's a constant investment.

Regardless, I sort of agree with Lex at least on SecureBoot, which, IMO, is stupid. There can be advantages to enabling virtualization-based security, and I can see why MS is pushing for that, but SecureBoot is idiotic outside of enterprise. Nevermind that certain UEFI features that Microsoft uses can be used for spyware (looking at ASUS with their Armory Crate which pissed me off colossally).

who please pays 60€ for a windows license? at least not me...

If you ask me, the home edition should just be $0. I can get paying a Pro license (I mean, it's Pro after all), but the home edition should be free.

If you go to MS store 10 home is 150.us and 10 pro is 200.us and you don't even get a activation key lol

You activate it with your account. And if you're using the MS store, you have an account already.

If you're thinking your feedback is best added here instead of the feedback hub you're likely mistaken.

You say that as if the Feedback Hub didn't have that feedback already

Oh, they lurk here. You can bet real money on it.

Who knows? Maybe they came for GPU-Z and stayed around

Hi,
Where do you get this feeling from ?
Feels more like google to me sort of creepy lol

Pfft, you make that sound as if they were something other than people. I don't see anything creepy about them lurking in the forums. Otherwise you better be creeped out by the thousands of others that lurk around.

 

[GerKNG]

did they fixed the weird "ghost driver" for AMD Cards?
it is installed automatically through the windows update and makes RDNA2 basically a paperweight until manually uninstalled (it gets installed after a few hours again...)

 

[ThrashZone]

To be fair, at this point in time the investment is mostly thrown into software maintenance (bug and security fixes), not new features.

And even then, the new features have been dropping slowly over the years, so yeah. Somewhat big jump if you were upgrading from original Windows 10 RTM (July 2015) to Windows 11, otherwise if you kept up with the feature upgrades and are, say, in 1909 or later, you won't notice much difference.

Spoiler: more

Say what you want about people complaining about the bugs, but between the massive codebase and the massive userbase, it's a constant investment.

Regardless, I sort of agree with Lex at least on SecureBoot, which, IMO, is stupid. There can be advantages to enabling virtualization-based security, and I can see why MS is pushing for that, but SecureBoot is idiotic outside of enterprise. Nevermind that certain UEFI features that Microsoft uses can be used for spyware (looking at ASUS with their Armory Crate which pissed me off colossally).

If you ask me, the home edition should just be $0. I can get paying a Pro license (I mean, it's Pro after all), but the home edition should be free.

You activate it with your account. And if you're using the MS store, you have an account already.

You say that as if the Feedback Hub didn't have that feedback already View attachment 210206


Who knows? Maybe they came for GPU-Z and stayed around


Pfft, you make that sound as if they were something other than people. I don't see anything creepy about them lurking in the forums. Otherwise you better be creeped out by the thousands of others that lurk around.

Hi,
No actually I said it's best to use the feedback hub not just assuming ms lurks here lol

Google is on most all forums it's fact just look at what ublock origin blocks/ shows there is usually more on other sites that let them show adds tpu does not.

Websites pay to incorporate google sludge so they come up on search results it's about money.... which ms isn't doing.
Google is creepy period.

 

[windwhirl]

did they fixed the weird "ghost driver" for AMD Cards?
it is installed automatically through the windows update and makes RDNA2 basically a paperweight until manually uninstalled (it gets installed after a few hours again...)

It's still being reported, so I guess not.

Hi,
No actually I said it's best to use the feedback hub not just assuming ms lurks here lol

Google is on most all forums it's fact just look at what ublock origin blocks/ shows there is usually more on other sites that let them show adds tpu does not.
View attachment 210207
Websites pay to incorporate google sludge so they come up on search results it's about money.... which ms isn't doing.
Google is creepy period.

For TPU's case, that's analytics. Every site uses it all the time because it's useful and they don't have to do anything complicated to include it, much less write down their own code.

Though I agree that it gets very annoying when it goes beyond "just" analytics.

 

[GerKNG]

It's still being reported, so I guess not.

thanks for the reply. no Win 11 for me then

 

[windwhirl]

thanks for the reply. no Win 11 for me then

Yeah, driver updates should be fully optional. Don't know why it's being pushed forcefully.

 

[lexluthermiester]

thanks for the reply. no Win 11 for me then

Remember, this is beta software. That problem will be fixed.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yeah, driver updates should be fully optional. Don't know why it's being pushed forcefully.

Hi,
MS installer has a large/ wild driver store and if it doesn't have a driver internet connect will find/ install one good or bad
It's always been like this why disconnecting from internet was so necessary so one could limit the damage by changing settings and installing the drivers they needed/ wanted first.

 

[GerKNG]

Remember, this is beta software. That problem will be fixed.

i know. that's why i don't install it until it gets fixed.

 

[ThrashZone]

Remember, this is beta software. That problem will be fixed.

Hi,
Might add that to your signature lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

i know. that's why i don't install it until it gets fixed.

Actually, with the 22000.100 update it should be. Have you tried it with that version?

 

[Rock N Roll Rebel]

last night's Windows update installed an invidia driver and I lost my sound. I went into device manager disabled invidia sound now works ok

 

[Mr Bill]

I wonder if Acronis can restore 11 I tried to restore win 10 a few month ago but it would not do it

I still use Acronis 2015, and it will backup and restore any OS I have ever used it for.