AMD Ryzen 7 5700G

[ixi]

Thanks for review! Just wondering, does it really have better fps with 2400MHz kit than with 3200MHz and 3800?

I'm surprised that adding 1.5GB to iGPu doesnt help. I guess RAM is the bottleneck or vega

 

[Dredi]

Doesn't that require a special motherboard too?

No. If you have some of the threadripper boards still on hand, some came with such an adapter board that houses 4 nvme drives at 4x speed each, with no chips in play. The multi drive support in these devices is done via the processor bifuricating the 16x slot twice. If they work, a 4x4 slot pcie motherboard would be possible to manufacture (probably does not exist), but you can also just buy some mini-itx board and a slot splitting riser.

Something like this for example: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/HYPER-M-2-X16-CARD-V2/

Gigabyte has bundled such cards with their threadripper boards as well.

 

[W1zzard]

does it really have better fps with 2400MHz kit than with 3200MHz and 3800?

It has the best FPS with 3800, 6% lower with 3200, even lower with 2400 (not sure exactly how much)

I'm surprised that adding 1.5GB to iGPu doesnt help

The way this works is that you can either completely allocate one chunk of memory to the IGP, which is then inaccessible from the rest of the system. Or you use a small initial chunk and the driver dynamically reserves more memory as required

 

[neblogai]

Thanks for review! Just wondering, does it really have better fps with 2400MHz kit than with 3200MHz and 3800?

It looks a bit confusing in the charts- but that is with DDR4 3800, and iGPU OC at 2400MHz, not DDR4 at 2400.

 

[W1zzard]

It looks a bit confusing in the charts- but that is with DDR4 3800, and iGPU OC at 2400MHz, not DDR4 at 2400.

Ooooooh, now I understand, any suggestions how to improve the chart bar labels?

 

[LTUGamer]

What is point to put "high" performance IGP in Ryzen 7 (Core config: 512:32:8, 2000MHz) and put low performance IGP in Ryzen 3 (Core config: 384:24:8, 1700MHz). Such GPUs could be useful for Ryzen 7 owners which don't care about performance at all. However such graphics (Core config: 512:32:8, 2000MHz) could be paired with Ryzen 3. That could be useful for budget gamers or for those who have plans to upgrade graphics later

 

[Bomby569]

Sure it may be helpfull to a lot of people, especially now. But i just wanted them to put half a rdna core in all CPU's to be able to trouble shoot my pC

 

[Mussels]

Sure it may be helpfull to a lot of people, especially now. But i just wanted them to put half a rdna core in all CPU's to be able to trouble shoot my pC

i think they plan to for AM5, and this might well be their practise runs for how to implement it, and get feedback

IMO the regular series could do with a really basic, super low TDP GPU for say... 4K 2D output and video playback at 60Hz.
Then have the G series with lower overall TDP and a better IGP, for the ITX/AIO niche

 

[Bomby569]

GN recently reviewed the OEM only 5800 non-X, one of the most efficient CPU right now.
The problem with a lot of desktop boards is they want to shove as much power into the CPU as possible so that their board bench higher.
Some boards back at Zen2 launch even under reported the actual power draw of the CPU and try to trick the CPU in to drawing more power.

If you are concerned that much about power draw (the difference is negligable especially wasting power on rgb) you really shouldn't spend this money on a CPU anyway, lot's of power on old zeons for dirt cheap.

 

[THU31]

This is a weird APU. On one hand, the CPU is almost as fast as the 5800X, but it costs less and uses less power.

On the other hand, the GPU is good pretty much only for desktop use or video playback.

Maybe with DDR5 and the 3D cache will allow them to put more CUs in. 4C/8T with 16 CUs would be really nice with enough memory bandwidth.

 

[Dredi]

This is a weird APU. On one hand, the CPU is almost as fast as the 5800X, but it costs less and uses less power.

On the other hand, the GPU is good pretty much only for desktop use or video playback.

Maybe with DDR5 and the 3D cache will allow them to put more CUs in. 4C/8T with 16 CUs would be really nice with enough memory bandwidth.

Van Gogh, presumably found in the steam deck, is almost exactly what you wrote. We will probably see some devices featuring it early next year.

 

[Chrispy_]

While I agree, it still doubles intels. Also it's a pretty small igp for the tier of chip. For the price and 8 core config, I think most users will be using a dedicated card with this anyway.

So ya would have been nicer/better with RDNA/RDNA2, but I don't think it matters too much in regards to the market segment............ie compared to intel.

Now..................however, for something that would be only an igp/APU system, I would like something like a 3300x cpu with an RDNA2 igp with 20 CU's (1280 shaders) for $200 ish. I think that would be nice, especially for HTPC, barebones gaming machines, etc.

IMO yes, the CPU/IGP balance is always wrong on APUs. They have far more CPU power than a casual user needs, and far too little silicon real-estate for the IGP.
Even at double Intels' IGP performance, a lot of the 5700G's gaming performance is sub-30fps on lowest settings. That's unacceptable enough that you may as well just not bother.

A sensible eSports APU would, for example, be a modest 4C/8T solution with perhaps 16CU (1024 unified shaders) of RNDA/Navi architecture. That would also make for the most excellent 25W general-purpose mobile part for thin&light gaming laptops. 1080p60 medium in AAA titles? Yes please!

 

[Rebe1]

Wtf just happen to CSGO test??? It is nearly impossible to achieve that high fps @ 1080p with low settings on iGpu (Vega 8), even with Ram 3800 MHz 1:1 and after any OC of the integrated graphics...

@W1zzard could you please describe how did you test this game? Hardware Unboxed and PurePC has also recently tested R5 5600G and they have much, MUCH lower results in csgo...

200+ fps in 1080p on Vega 8 would be outstanding result, basically good enough for competitive mm!

 

[newtekie1]

@W1zzard could you please describe how did you test this game? Hardware Unboxed and PurePC has also recently tested R5 5600G and they have much, MUCH lower results in csgo...

Hardware Unboxed used medium settings, PurePC used high settings, it makes a pretty big difference.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

...and use the money saved on a cheap GPU that's still much faster than the iGPU.

Anything over 1030 level performance is seriously overpriced for the last several months so I dont think there is any good value in the dGPU market right now.

GTX 1650's are selling for £200 used here, which is outrageous. That level of performance would be a worthwhile step up from this. If you try to go really old, like RX 580s, they go for around the same for 8gb models.

 

[Rebe1]

Hardware Unboxed used medium settings, PurePC used high settings, it makes a pretty big difference.

But not 240 vs 70 on avg fps... I tested few months back on my old gtx 960 and @1080p high vs low was ~30% fps difference, not 200%

 

[Dredi]

But not 240 vs 70 on avg fps... I tested few months back on my old gtx 960 and @1080p high vs low was ~30% fps difference, not 200%

HU uses, to my knowledge, some recorded pro games as input. Many sites use some synthetic cs:go demo sequence. I have no idea what tpu or the other mentioned sites use.

 

[mechtech]

IMO yes, the CPU/IGP balance is always wrong on APUs. They have far more CPU power than a casual user needs, and far too little silicon real-estate for the IGP.
Even at double Intels' IGP performance, a lot of the 5700G's gaming performance is sub-30fps on lowest settings. That's unacceptable enough that you may as well just not bother.

A sensible eSports APU would, for example, be a modest 4C/8T solution with perhaps 16CU (1024 unified shaders) of RNDA/Navi architecture. That would also make for the most excellent 25W general-purpose mobile part for thin&light gaming laptops. 1080p60 medium in AAA titles? Yes please!

Agreed. Especially since all the 8-20CU cards don’t exist anymore!! Should have something to replace them with. If they won’t make dedicated cards in that size the igp should be.

I would be willing to bet if they put out a 14-16CU RDNA2 card with 4GB of gddr5 on a 128-bit bus on GF 12nm and no ray tracing or anything with a price of $130 US they would probably sell tons of them.

it could replace all RX460/560 cards and probably the 470/570s as well.

 

[AThomas]

Well, as I have read most of the reviews. The 3000 series was viable before the pandemic, not it's not and it's overpriced where you can find one. The 4000 series APU's are basically non-existent.

This fits the bill for exactly what I want. I am not a gamer on PC's, never have been. That said I have wanted to play Space Engineers and none of my machines will play it, either one machine still running 32-bit Windows 7 (HTPC) so I can't increase the RAM of the machine without reinstalling Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 8.1 64-bit something I didn't to do as I wouldn't perform well anyway on that board.

The rest of the PC's are Intel and too thin for discrete GPU.

In any event, I can finally build some powerful machines, take advantage of multi-threaded performance and play some games, mainly emulation. Rebuild the media server to do much more than it's ever done and had to split to another machine.

The problem now is these when paired with fast memory are not any less than pre-builts (when it include all the hardware to have a working PC) which don't allow to take advantage of overclocking.

 

[W1zzard]

But not 240 vs 70 on avg fps... I tested few months back on my old gtx 960 and @1080p high vs low was ~30% fps difference, not 200%

just standing on dust2, around 200 fps

 

[pexxie]

@W1zzard Any clue what the max pixel clock or max digital resolution is on that IGP? AMD don't seem to provide any of this. For work purposes; I'm wondering if it can handle dual 4K60hz displays, which would mean a max digital res of at least 7680x2160@60hz. Or 2x 540Mhz (or 1x 1080Mhz?) pixel clocks. I guess it depends on the motherboard's display output limits too, but I'm not sure to what extent.

Thank you in advance for any insights.

EDIT: It could actually be one big single pixel clock, like at 1080Mhz - not yet familiar with how this aspect works exactly.

 

[W1zzard]

Any clue what the max pixel clock or max digital resolution is on that IGP?

No idea, but since it's based on Vega I'd say 2x 4K60 at least, probably much higher.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/docs/amd-vega-architecture.pdf page 13

 

[mechtech]

Same price as 5800x in canada since 5800x on sale. Also 5700g $360 is is about 440$ can. Not 500 Newegg.

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[Xuper]

This CPU doesn't support AV1 , apple / Intel / Nvidia support AV1 yet AMD RDNA2 is the only GPU that supports AV1 , WTF is this? AMD should explain , someone buy apu and 5 or more years later , buyer will notice that 5700g doesn't support av1 , What's point of buying apu if buyer wants to enjoy it ?

 

[TheGuruStud]

This CPU doesn't support AV1 , apple / Intel / Nvidia support AV1 yet AMD RDNA2 is the only GPU that supports AV1 , WTF is this? AMD should explain , someone buy apu and 5 or more years later , buyer will notice that 5700g doesn't support av1 , What's point of buying apu if buyer wants to enjoy it ?

I've never used av1 in my life, don't plan to and it doesn't matter when the CPU is beastly.
It's an oem cpu that's available for enthusiasts, b/c supply is good, now.