Windows 11 General Discussion

[Splinterdog]

What a total malarky all this TPM and Secure Boot nonsense is.

 

[Fangio1951]

This TPM requirement is a disaster.

There are heaps of postings all over the web, but one thing I've noticed is, a lot of people are thinking it's only has to be set in the bios and then they'll be ok for Win11.

When you do further investigations. you also have to have it either as a chip on the mobo or a TPM 2.0 module installed in the TPM header on the mobo.

Their are a lot of ebay adds (@ ripoff $$$) that states the particular TPM module will suit a Z370 and Z390 mobo, which is Wrong as the mobo's specified have different pinouts in the TPM header = I got caught and the ebay seller refused a refund.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I have a header, no chip on board, just enabled the CPU tpm and good to go. Props to AMD for this as I don't think any Intel CPU's have this feature

 

[theFOoL]

On the Laptop IDE HDD 2.5" Runs like a Champ!

 

[Fangio1951]

On the Laptop IDE HDD 2.5" Runs like a Champ!

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hi m8,

It'll be interesting to see what happens when it goes live for everyone. If MS stick religiously to the HW requirements or not.

In your case, the CPU isn't on the list !! = https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/wi...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

 

[theFOoL]

Well of course it isn't. My system is from the 775 era. Ashame so many ways people can hack which I like

 

[Terse]

I have a header, no chip on board, just enabled the CPU tpm and good to go. Props to AMD for this as I don't think any Intel CPU's have this feature

I am going to presume you are talking about fTPM. Intel has it's own variant called "Intel PTT", it has been around for quite some time.

 

[windwhirl]

New build update, rolling out to Dev and BETA channels
Reminder that if you want to move to a Windows 11 stable channel in the future without doing a clean reinstall, you should move to Beta now, before it's decoupled from Dev.

Announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.120

Hello Windows Insiders, today we are releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.120 to everyone in the Dev and Beta Channels! Changes and Improvements We are introducing a new Family widget for MSA accounts!

blogs.windows.com

Changelog under the spoiler.

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Spoiler

Changes and Improvements​

• We are introducing a new Family widget for MSA accounts! It is available in all Windows languages and regions. It allows you to see recent activity from members of your Microsoft family group.
• We are beginning to rollout notification badging for the Chat icon on the Taskbar. Not everyone will see it right away at first.
• Made some adjustments to improve how the close button looks like in the Taskbar preview windows.
• When changing backgrounds for Desktops, even if Settings is already open, using Choose Background via Task View will now force Settings to move to whichever Desktop you’re actually on.
• Moved the Identify button in Display Settings to be right under the control for arranging your monitors (when you have multiple monitors connected) so it’s easier to find.
• We’ve updated File Explorer’s context menu to be a little more compact for mouse users.
• Updated the “New” button in the File Explorer’s command bar to use a dropdown menu style with all options in one list instead of a nested list.
• We’ve made some adjustments to improve the use of space and thumbnail sizes within ALT + Tab, Task View and snap assist.

Fixes​

• Taskbar:
  • The virtual touchpad is now available again to be enabled in Taskbar Settings.
  • The Task View flyout will no longer dismiss when you start typing when attempting to rename your Desktops.
  • The Task View flyout should now display in the correct direction for Insiders using the Arabic or Hebrew display language.
  • When Cortana is set up for voice activation, hovering over the microphone icon in the Taskbar corner will now say “Your assistant is ready to respond” instead of “Host process for Windows Services”.
  • DPI changes should no longer cause icon duplication and overlapping in the Taskbar corner.
  • Adjusted the calendar flyout header spacing to give a bit more room in response to feedback that the days of the week were wrapping in some languages.
  • Fixed an issue where if you updated your preferred first day of the week, it wouldn’t be reflected in the calendar flyout until you signed out and back in.
  • Your preferred calendar flyout state (expanded or collapsed) should now persist reboot.
  • Fixed a race condition for Insiders will multiple monitors related to the Taskbar that was causing Start menu to fly up into the corner of the screen, and explorer.exe to crash when you tried hovering over the Task View button on secondary monitors.
  • Mitigated an issue that could trigger an explorer.exe crash loop for Insiders running Windows with multiple monitors.
  • Based on our analysis of the previous flight, we believe the explorer.exe crash loop for Turkish Insiders when their laptops were at 100% charge has been addressed and we are removing this from the known issues list.
  • Clicking the widgets icon on your secondary monitor should now open widgets on that monitor instead of your primary one.
  • Right-clicking on the Taskbar with a pen should no longer cause a crash.
  • Addressed an issue that was making app icons in the Taskbar blurry for some Insiders.
  • We’ve done some work to address an issue where app icons in the Taskbar could become stuck in a blank state when loading.
  • Fixed an issue that was making explorer.exe crash when clicking the Task View button.
  • Fixed an issue where the Chat window was getting stuck on the screen.
  • Clicking Chat on a secondary monitor should now launch it in the correct position and DPI.
  • We’ve done some work to address an issue where the Taskbar preview windows were getting stuck on the screen and not dismissing when you clicked something else.
  • To address an issue where pressing F7 with focus set to the Taskbar would lock up the taskbar, we’ve made a change so that the caret browsing prompt will no longer appear if F7 is pressed somewhere where a text block is not present.
  • If you press WIN + B followed by the arrow keys, you will now be able to navigate to all the elements in the taskbar corner without needing to press Tab first.
  • Badges on the app icons on secondary monitors should now be in sync with what’s showing on the primary monitor.
• Settings:
  • Settings will no longer crash when clicking “Facial recognition (Windows Hello)” under Sign-in Settings when Windows Hello is already set up.
  • We fixed an issue where in navigating to Settings > Network & Internet > Ethernet could unexpectedly change the network profile type. If you are an ethernet user, please check your settings after upgrading to this build to ensure your desired network profile type is selected and change it if it isn’t.
  • Fixed an issue where setting your IP address in Network Settings wasn’t working in certain cases.
  • Editing your VPN proxy details in Settings should no longer cause Settings to crash.
  • Fixed another issue causing Power & Battery Settings to crash.
  • Also fixed an issue that could make Settings crash specifically if you went to look at the 7-day battery usage graph in Power & Battery Settings.
  • The progress bars in Settings are now properly accent colored.
  • Saving custom themes in Personalization Settings should now work.
  • Hooked up some Get Help links that stopped pointing to specific guidance after the Settings updates introduced in Windows 11.
  • Hovering over the toggle switches in Settings will no longer make them disappear.
  • Fixed an issue that could cause search in Settings to be in a permanently broken state, saying “No result” for every search.
  • Did some work to help address an issue where you would see a big solid accent color area while resizing the Settings window.
  • Settings should no longer flash green on launch.
  • We’ve done some work to fix an issue that was causing random crashes on Settings pages with lists, as well as an issue causing random crashes on Settings pages with radio buttons.
  • Links to specific Settings pages will now properly navigate to the correct page in Settings when Settings isn’t already open.
  • Your profile picture in Settings should no longer have an unexpected square backplate when transparency is enabled.
  • Added in the missing progress bar when uninstalling apps under Apps & Features in Settings.
  • Icons in the volume mixer in Sound Settings should no longer become overlapped.
  • In-bound Bluetooth PIN pairing in Settings should work again now.
  • If you click “Advanced Options” at the top of the page while navigating through Windows Update Settings, it should now actually open Advanced Options.
  • Made another fix for the volume and brightness sliders becoming unexpectedly tiny if all other settings were removed from Quick Settings.
  • Going from one of the subpages of Quick Settings over to the input flyout should no longer cause a crash.
  • If you use the Accessibility section of Quick Settings, the toggles should now show the correct state of each feature.
  • If you press WIN + P to go directly to Project within Quick Settings, the arrow keys now work to navigate up and down the list.
  • Fixed an issue that was causing some thumbnails to be randomly squished in the media control above Quick Settings.
  • Made another fix to address Focus Assist turning on unexpectedly when viewing the desktop.
• File Explorer:
  • Fixed an issue resulting in File Explorer unexpectedly not showing an updated scroll bar when in dark mode.
  • Addressed a GDI handle leak related to context menu usage resulting in sluggishness across File Explorer after prolonged usage.
  • Made a change to address a memory leak which was impacting File Explorer, increasing each time more File Explorer windows were opened.
  • Also made a change related to the command bar in File Explorer that was resulting an increased thread count every time a new File Explorer window was opened that would continually grow, consuming resources.
  • Fixed a high hitting explorer.exe crash related to the use of Acrylic in File Explorer’s context menus.
  • Fixed an issue making the focus rectangle unexpectedly appear when using mouse to interact with File Explorer’s command bar.
  • The context menu shouldn’t flicker anymore if you hover over it when Contrast themes are enabled.
  • The context menu should no longer unexpectedly get clipped on the side, not rendering completely.
  • Right clicking the bottom corner of the desktop show no longer causes the context menu to open at the top of the screen.
  • We addressed an underlying issue that we believe is the root cause for a scrollbar appearing in the context menu and explorer.exe crashing when you tried to interact with it.
  • Made a change to help make the radio buttons in File Explorer’s File Options a little more obvious when they’re in the selected state.
  • Clicking the rename button in the command bar should no longer randomly show the Open With dialog sometimes.
  • Fixed an issue that was making some of the file operation dialogs have unreadable button text in dark mode (for example, “File in Use” and “Destination Folder Access Denied”).
• Start menu:
  • Rapidly pressing the Windows key multiple times should no longer crash Start.
  • Made a change to help improve Start menu launch performance.
  • Fixed an issue where if you clicked on one of the files in Recommended, it was opening the file in an unexpected app in some cases.
  • Made a change to address an issue where Search was sometimes randomly flashing on top of Start when opening Start.
• Search:
  • Hovering over the Search icon should no longer cause a crash when the recent searches have been updated.
  • When hovering over the Search icon the window should no longer become clipped.
• Windowing:
  • Connecting and disconnecting to a PC over Remote Desktop, and switching users, should no longer make all your open apps unexpectedly minimize.
  • Addressed a high hitting explorer.exe crash when snapping certain apps on system with mixed DPI monitors.
  • When the snap layouts window is visible after hovering on the maximize button of an app it should now dismiss more reliably now when you move your mouse away.
  • Fixed an issue that was making explorer.exe crash sometimes if you docked or undocked your PC with snapped windows.
  • Window frames should no longer get stuck on the screen when closing windows.
  • Fixed an issue that was making windows unexpectedly open on the wrong Desktop when they shouldn’t.
  • We’ve turned off the animation when switching Desktops using the keyboard shortcuts as it was leading to flashes and hangs.
  • When maximizing certain windows, like File Explorer, the border should no longer low over to secondary monitors.
  • Addressed an issue that was causing screen readers to unexpectedly say “DesktopWindowXamlSource” when using ALT + Tab.
  • We’ve done some work to improve the sensitivity when using the touchpad gesture to invoke ALT + Tab and switch apps.
  • If you were experiencing issues with snap ssist not appearing on the previous flight, we believe this should be resolved after upgrading to this one.
• Windows Security and logging in:
  • Windows Hello Face should be working again now after upgrading.
  • The button text in the UAC dialog should now correctly say Yes and No again for Insiders not using EN-US.
  • Fixed an issue that was making the UAC dialog launch in the background for apps pinned to the Taskbar in certain scenarios.
  • A Windows Defender fix to address the issue where “Automatic sample submission” was unexpectedly turned off when you restarted your PC is rolling out.
  • We mitigated an issue resulting in some Insiders seeing a repeated logonui.exe crash.
  • We also mitigated a deadlock that could result in your PC getting stuck at a black screen when unlocking your PC, and a separate crash that was making some Insiders see a black screen for a few seconds after logging in.
  • Fixed an issue that was making explorer.exe crash for some Insiders when logging in for the first time after booting their PC.
  • Improved visibility of login screen elements when using high contrast.
  • Logging in or locking your PC should no longer cause full screen white or accent colored flashes.
• Input:
  • Fixed an issue related to tooltips that was making clicks happen in the wrong place across the system, for example when interacting with icons on the desktop.
  • The touch keyboard should no longer get clipped after rotating the screen orientation when docked.
  • Fixed an issue that was causing explorer.exe to crash sometimes when changing focus between apps while using a third-party IME.
  • Mitigated an issue that is believed to be causing certain hardware keys and buttons to not work on some devices, including the function keys.
  • Mitigated a race condition that could result in certain devices unexpectedly waking from sleep if the touchpad was used to click the Sleep option in Start.
• Other:
  • Fixed an issue that could lead to PCs bug checking while sleeping.
  • Fixed an issue that was causing stuttering if you tried to play a game while the Xbox Game Bar performance monitor was pinned on the screen.
  • Mitigated an issue that could result in stutter or fps drop for Insiders when moving the mouse in certain games. Thank you Insiders who have taken the time to share feedback about gaming performance with us – if you continue experiencing issues after upgrading, please check our guidance on logging actionable feedback on this subject.
  • Fixed an issue where the boot menu wasn’t identifying Windows 11 correctly.
  • Addressed an issue believed to be causing a number of unexpected UI issues in the previous flight, including semi-transparent and unreadable dialogs, z-ordering issues, large, shadowed areas getting stuck on the screen. and backwards text in context menus for Arabic and Hebrew Insiders.
  • Addressed an issue where windows created while transparency was disabled would become stuck in a solid color instead of becoming acrylic when transparency was enabled.
  • We’ve done some work to remove the unexpected white artifacts in the corners of windows when using dark mode.
  • Right clicking multiple times in certain apps like Task Manager will no longer make the context menu frame change from rounded to square.
  • Fixed a focus issue that was making the window immediately dismiss after pressing ALT + F4 on the desktop.
  • Mitigated an issue that was resulting in unexpectedly needing to re-pair certain connected devices after rebooting.
  • Mitigated an explorer.exe deadlock that could happen when reordering your Desktops.
  • Addressed an issue that was resulting in Microsoft Store appearing to download app updates that were already installed on the PC.
  • Fixed an issue that was resulting in some Insiders experiencing bugchecks, in particular when playing games.

Known issues​

• [REMINDER] When upgrading to Windows 11 from Windows 10 or when installing an update to Windows 11, some features may be deprecated or removed. See details here.
• We’re investigating an issue where on some devices, when going to Settings > Windows Update > Windows Insider Program, only the “Stop getting preview builds” option is visible. This prevents Insiders from selecting a channel. We have posted a workaround on Answers.
• [BETA CHANNEL] We’re investigating reports from Insiders in the Beta Channel where after upgrading to Windows 11, they are not seeing the new Taskbar and the Start menu doesn’t work. To workaround this if you are impacted, please try going to Windows Update > Update history, uninstalling the latest cumulative update for Windows, and the reinstall it by checking for updates.
• Start:
  • In some cases, you might be unable to enter text when using Search from Start or the Taskbar. If you experience the issue, press WIN + R on the keyboard to launch the Run dialog box, then close it.
  • System and Windows Terminal is missing when right-clicking on the Start button (WIN + X).
• Taskbar:
  • The Taskbar will sometimes flicker when switching input methods.
• Search:
  • After clicking the Search icon on the Taskbar, the Search panel may not open. If this occurs, restart the “Windows Explorer” process, and open the search panel again.
  • When you hover your mouse over the Search icon on the Taskbar, recent searches may not be displayed. To work around the issue, restart your PC.
  • Search panel might appear as black and not display any content below the search box.
• Widgets:
  • The widgets board may appear empty. To work around the issue, you can sign out and then sign back in again.
  • Launching links from the widgets board may not invoke apps to the foreground.
  • Widgets may be displayed in the wrong size on external monitors. If you encounter this, you can launch the widgets via touch or WIN + W shortcut on your actual PC display first and then launch on your secondary monitors.
  • [Family widget] Some users may see a ‘connect a device to see screen time activity’ message even with screen time settings enable.
  • [Family widget] Location information may not be available for some users on iOS.
• Store:
  • We are working to improve search relevance in the Store including resolving an issue where in some cases the ordering of search results is inaccurate.
  • The install button might not be functional yet in some limited scenarios.
  • Rating and reviews are not available for some apps.
• Windows Sandbox
  • The Taskbar will crash continuously in Windows Sandbox. The team is investigating a fix.
• Localization
  • There is an issue where some Insiders may be some missing translations from their user experience for a small subset of languages running the latest Insider Preview builds. To confirm if you have been impacted, please visit this Answers forum post and follow the steps for remediation.

Microsoft Store​

We are beginning to roll out an update for Store (version 22107.1401.9.0) to Windows Insiders in the Dev Channel first. This update includes the following improvements:


Auto-scrolling on Spotlight: When browsing, we’ll automatically scroll through content so you can discover your next favorite app, movie, or game.
New gaming PDP (product detail page) design: We updated the way our game pages appear so you can see more info and images from your next favorite game.
New Ratings and Reviews dialog: We updated the ratings and reviews form and made it easier to provide feedback on the products you use.

We hope to begin rolling this Store update out to Windows Insiders in the Beta Channel if no blocking issues are discovered in the Dev Channel!

What a total malarky all this TPM and Secure Boot nonsense is.
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Oh, I'm gonna add to that this:

Trusted platform module security defeated in 30 minutes, no soldering required

Sometimes, locking down a laptop with the latest defenses isn’t enough.

arstechnica.com

@R-T-B , @lexluthermiester I figure you might be interested in looking at this, if you didn't already read it before.

And that coming right behind this:

Microsoft’s Windows 11 outreach efforts aren’t going very well

Overly heavy-handed moderation tends to cause more problems than it solves.

arstechnica.com

 

[R-T-B]

TPM was defeated before they even implemented it in Windows 11, lol.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

TPM was defeated before they even implemented it in Windows 11, lol.

I have an X570 Aorus Elite, too lazy to even see if it has TPM.

 

[R-T-B]

I have an X570 Aorus Elite, too lazy to even see if it has TPM.

It does. I have the same board. But besides making windows happy, big whoop.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This nonsense is a joke.

Little miss Aria?
Here's some ideas;
How about you take your very flawed ideas and cram them in the garbage? The UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements are NOT acceptable.
You want to make them strong suggestions? Ok. Just make sure to give us users the CHOICE as to whether or not to use them.
Believe me when I say that if you do not respect us, we will choose to use Windows 11 anyway, in a modded and hacked manner.

These requirements do little for ACTUAL security and both TPM & SecureBoot have already been defeated and exploited. You will NOT stop us. You will only piss us off.

Don't take what would otherwise be a wonderful success with Windows 11 and sully it with these pointless requirements.

 

[Space Lynx]

I watched a little bit of that video earlier today. It felt very robotic to me, I only watched about 3 minutes of it skipping around before I realized it was a waste of my time. I'm glad I have no use for Windows and can do everything I want on Linux Mint. I know most people still need Windows for one reason or another but I don't so eh

 

[lexluthermiester]

I watched a little bit of that video earlier today. It felt very robotic to me, I only watched about 3 minutes of it skipping around before I realized it was a waste of my time.

Yeah, it was difficult to watch. Low-brow cow-pat would be as nice a description as you can get. Fodder fit only for mouth drooling, tree swinging crap-flingers would be another way to put it..

There is a reason that video has 42,000 dislikes and only 211 likes(as of the date of this comment). Yeah, hows THAT for an hint, eh microsoft? Are you feeling the detestation yet? Or would you like more? More is coming whether like it or not. It would be best for everyone to yield, and yes, backtrack.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This nonsense is a joke.

Little miss Aria?
Here's some ideas;
How about you take your very flawed ideas and cram them in the garbage? The UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements are NOT acceptable.
You want to make them strong suggestions? Ok. Just make sure to give us users the CHOICE as to whether or not to use them.
Believe me when I say that if you do not respect us, we will choose to use Windows 11 anyway, in a modded and hacked manner.

These requirements do little for ACTUAL security and both TPM & SecureBoot have already been defeated and exploited. You will NOT stop us. You will only piss us off.

Don't take what would otherwise be a wonderful success with Windows 11 and sully it with these pointless requirements.

Not withstanding the mickey mouse voice too, hurts my ears.

I still think they might relent on the requirements before it goes RTM but who knows knowing them. I used the required settings just to save hacking it, and as my PC met them anyway, why not.

 

[john_]

Huh, you never mentioned a HDD in your post I replied to, only a SSD being the minimum. Just get a 2.5" SSD, you even said a SSD is minimum.

You are right, but I was quoting someone who was installing Windows 11 on an IDE HDD.

From my experience with Windows 10 on a HDD, it was a nightmare. I also swapped the HDD with an SSD in a couple of friend's laptops who upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and they where excited to see a totally different system. Windows 7 is fine with a HDD and people moving for free to Windows 10 ended up with pretty slow machines, feeling they have to buy a new laptop. People without hardware experience couldn't even realize that Windows 10 on a HDD was making their machine run slow. They where assuming that their machine was old and slow in general that was false.

PS I have moved to NVMe SSD. Even bought some PCIe to M.2 adapters to have the option to install more on my desktops.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

You are right, but I was quoting someone who was installing Windows 11 on an IDE HDD.

From my experience with Windows 10 on a HDD, it was a nightmare. I also swapped the HDD with an SSD in a couple of friend's laptops who upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and they where excited to see a totally different system. Windows 7 is fine with a HDD and people moving for free to Windows 10 ended up with pretty slow machines, feeling they have to buy a new laptop. People without hardware experience couldn't even realize that Windows 10 on a HDD was making their machine run slow. They where assuming that their machine was old and slow in general that was false.

PS I have moved to NVMe SSD. Even bought some PCIe to M.2 adapters to have the option to install more on my desktops.

I used win 10 on a old q6600 setup with 4gb ddr3 using an old 500gb laptop hdd and it was fine. What do you mean it was a nightmare?

 

[Hugis]

I used win 10 on a old q6600 setup with 4gb ddr3 using an old 500gb laptop hdd and it was fine. What do you mean it was a nightmare?

i think what hes getting at is, that going from HDD to SSD was a very noticeable "upgrade" on the speed the various OS's loaded etc with 7 being quicker to load (less bloated) than 10 and 11.

 

[john_]

I used win 10 on a old q6600 setup with 4gb ddr3 using an old 500gb laptop hdd and it was fine. What do you mean it was a nightmare?

i think what hes getting at is, that going from HDD to SSD was a very noticeable "upgrade" on the speed the various OS's loaded etc with 7 being quicker to load (less bloated) than 10 and 11.

Windows 10 seems to make too many reads and writes on storage. Much more than Windows 7. So a HDD with it's high access times compared to an SSD, makes the system very slow.

I had tried Windows 10 installing it on an older laptop HDD(SATA 120GB 8MB cache 5400rpm) and I was seeing that HDD at 100% almost all the time and the system extremely slow. Windows 7 was running fine on that same HDD.
Friends of mine, with laptops running on i5 or i7 and 8GB RAM, where also complaining for very slow application opening and a feeling that their system was very slow in general. They where thinking replacing their laptops with newer machines. We changed the HDD with an SSD, they couldn't believe it was the same laptop after that.

 

[Hugis]

Windows 10 seems to make too many reads and writes on storage. Much more than Windows 7. So a HDD with it's high access times compared to an SSD, makes the system very slow.

I had tried Windows 10 installing it on an older laptop HDD(SATA 120GB 8MB cache 5400rpm) and I was seeing that HDD at 100% almost all the time and the system extremely slow. Windows 7 was running fine on that same HDD.
Friends of mine, with laptops running on i5 or i7 and 8GB RAM, where also complaining for very slow application opening and a feeling that their system was very slow in general. They where thinking replacing their laptops with newer machines. We changed the HDD with an SSD, they couldn't believe it was the same laptop.

Had exactly the same experience on quite a few occasions, its night and day

 

[Deleted member 24505]

i think what hes getting at is, that going from HDD to SSD was a very noticeable "upgrade" on the speed the various OS's loaded etc with 7 being quicker to load (less bloated) than 10 and 11.

Tbh Everyone should be at least using a 2.5" ssd for windows these days, there is no reason to use a Crusty old mechanical for a boot drive. I only use one(WD 4tb blue) for storage.

 

[john_]

Tbh Everyone should be at least using a 2.5" ssd for windows these days, there is no reason to use a Crusty old mechanical for a boot drive. I only use one(WD 4tb blue) for storage.

I had one spare laptop HDD and because in one of my desktops I still have Windows 7 as the primary OS, I was using that HDD to install Windows 10 as a secondary OS for some very specific tasks(that needed the lattest security patches just to feel safe). I ended up cursing the Windows 10 plus HDD combination, while waiting for ages for the OS to load/update/start a browser. I removed that HDD and replaced it with a Samsung SATA SSD avoiding the psychologist.

So, my original question in this thread was, "Are Windows 11 the same?". Are Windows 11 the same as Windows 10, or has Microsoft optimized their access to the storage device?
I guess I will find out some day. I can try installing Windows 11 on that old HDD and see what happens.

 

[Hugis]

I had one spare laptop HDD and because in one of my desktops I still have Windows 7 as the primary OS, I was using that HDD to install Windows 10 as a secondary OS for some very specific tasks(that needed the lattest security patches just to feel safe). I ended up cursing the Windows 10 plus HDD combination, while waiting for ages for the OS to load/update/start a browser. I removed that HDD and throw a Samsung SATA SSD and avoided the psychologist.

So, my original question in this thread was, "Are Windows 11 the same?". Are Windows 11 the same as Windows 10, or has Microsoft optimized their access to the storage device?
I guess i will find out some day. I can try installing Windows 11 on that old HDD and see what happens.

Id say yes they are pretty much identical atm from my tinkering (only ssds though, this rig and a QX9650 skt 775)

 

[lexluthermiester]

I still think they might relent on the requirements before it goes RTM but who knows knowing them.

This crap is going to get hacked to pieces if they don't. They have no idea the hornet's-nest they're stirring up.

I used the required settings just to save hacking it, and as my PC met them anyway, why not.

Ah but there's the thing, you likely have no need to run your system without TPM & secureboot. Many of us do and we will not tolerate these requirements. I love the rest of the changes introduced to Windows 11, so there is no way in hell I'm staying on Windows 10 any longer than I have too. If microsoft wants to play hardball with the UEFI/TPM/SecureBoot requirements, I will actively be a part of the worldwide movement who screws them over for it.

 

[Splinterdog]

This nonsense is a joke.

Little miss Aria?
Here's some ideas;
How about you take your very flawed ideas and cram them in the garbage? The UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements are NOT acceptable.
You want to make them strong suggestions? Ok. Just make sure to give us users the CHOICE as to whether or not to use them.
Believe me when I say that if you do not respect us, we will choose to use Windows 11 anyway, in a modded and hacked manner.

These requirements do little for ACTUAL security and both TPM & SecureBoot have already been defeated and exploited. You will NOT stop us. You will only piss us off.

Don't take what would otherwise be a wonderful success with Windows 11 and sully it with these pointless requirements.

Her voice was so irritating, it was painful to listen to.