Shadow Of The Tomb Raider - CPU Performance and general game benchmark discussions

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Got a zentimings screenshot?

 

[Mbellantoni]

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Your soc voltage is low. Set it to 1.1 at least but not above 1.125 and your soc llc to level 4 or something. Also you can try setting your vddg iod and ccd up to around 950. Your running gdm+ 1t which will only accept even numbers even though zen timings shows its at 17 i gaurentee its at 18 for your primarys. With that being said change your primarys to 16-16-16-36 andram speed to 3400 and flck to 1700 manually Bring up your dram voltage to 1.37 or 1.38 see if it post and what zen timings shows

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For the record keep gdm+1t enabled. It helps alot with stability. I cant even post without gdm on at anything above 3000mhz

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Your soc voltage is low. Set it to 1.1 at least but not above 1.125 and your soc llc to level 4 or something. Also you can try setting your vddg iod and ccd up to around 950. Your running gdm+ 1t which will only accept even numbers even though zen timings shows its at 17 i gaurentee its at 18 for your primarys. With that being said change your primarys to 16-16-16-36 andram speed to 3400 and flck to 1700 manually Bring up your dram voltage to 1.37 or 1.38 see if it post and what zen timings shows


For the record keep gdm+1t enabled. It helps alot with stability. I cant even post without gdm on at anything above 3000mhz

Did the settings you mentioned, can't even boot into the bios, at 3000mhz with those settings it BSOD.
Useless memory.

 

[Mbellantoni]

Did the settings you mentioned, can't even boot into the bios, at 3000mhz with those settings it BSOD.
Useless memory.

You might have faulty ram man. That should be easy for bdie. Do you have the latest bios?

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

You might have faulty ram man. That should be easy for bdie. Do you have the latest bios?

Yes I am on the latest from the Gigabyte site shortly before the site became inaccessible.
This Ram was bad also on the B450 motherboard I had prior, no difference.

 

[Splinterdog]

Yes I am on the latest from the Gigabyte site shortly before the site became inaccessible.

Funny you should say that because I've been trying to get on Gigabyte's website for weeks
Anyway, I may try the SOTTR bench on my secondary system - Ryzen 2600X/RX 580/32GB 2400MHz RAM

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Is 16-17-17 your stock speed? In general B-die at that low speed ALWAYS have even primary timings like 15-15-15 or 14-14-14. I have never heard of 16-17-17 3000. That sounds like Micron, Hynix or som low tier Samsungs like S-die etc. Thaiphoon reports wrong sometimes. An easy test to see if it`s B-die is to bring tRFC down. It`s very rare that non-B-die can do below 300 at 3000MHz. Up the soc and iod voltage and try trfc 300. If that does not boot I`m afraid your ram is not B-die.

You should establish what speed is the max for your ram. Set all timings to auto and try to up in one step at at time with 1.35V. If it`s lands below 3600 it is one of the garbo tiers, 3600 and above is generally reserved for B-die, Micron E\B and Hynix C\D.

 

[Felix123BU]

I honestly couldnt tell you lol. Ive ran it multiple times to confirm my scores were consistant. Maybe you had a freak run? I would check again 2 or 3 more times to make sure its consistant.

Otherwise i wouldnt expect much of a difference between our gpu's especially being as cpu bound as we are in this test. My gpu is oced and undervolted with temps in mind. Performance gains are probably marginal as far as gpu' s go 1-2 fps over stock but thermals are low (57-62C depending on the game)

If i recall correctly a gamers nexus video said something about running dual rank dimms (16x2) or 4 dimms total results in a performance increase on 5000 series architecture. If this is the case then im pretty blown away on how much of a difference it actually makes.

As far as the cpu overclock goes ive heard ryzen5000 is pretty well optimized for gaming out of the box. Multicore leaves some to desired but single core doesnt leave much for improvement even with pbo on. Ive tried different speeds on this particular benchmark such as 4725-4850 with pbo and the improvements were marginal at best and the voltages were outrageous even at 4725 compared to 4700 there was a difference of 3volts just at the title screen alone.

This is all theory of course. Who knows maybe you just have a bad ass cpu + mobo + ram that works together really well.

I initially used PBO for single core boost to 5.05Ghz on my 5800X, but later realized that a 4.65ghz all core manual OC gave me basically the same frames in games as the PBO, at lots less voltage and heat produced.

One thing about this game and benchmark, have seen it in various other benchmarks, extra core count gives by itself a FPS boost, besides the faster tuned RAM.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Here are the result from my old mule......
CPU=Xeon 2697 V2 12c/24t (3,45Ghz-All Cores)
GPU=R9 Fury
Results from low settings and lowest settings are in the attachment......

 

[Felix123BU]

Here are the result from my old mule......
CPU=Xeon 2697 V2 12c/24t (3,45Ghz-All Cores)
GPU=R9 Fury
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Fury powered mule

Can you please reupload with 1080p and Lowest quality preset so we all have the same baseline for comparison? Yours is custom and Level of Detail is Low vs Lowest which would change the scope of the test a bit.

Thx!

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Fury powered mule

Can you please reupload with 1080p and Lowest quality preset so we all have the same baseline for comparison? Yours is custom and Level of Detail is Low vs Lowest which would change the scope of the test a bit.

Thx!

Cheers and TY for noticing that...I just did a run on lowest settings and it was actually a nice bump.......

seems like my old mule still kicking just fine .....maybe I gonna try some more tweaking and see if the results could be even better.....

I tweak a bit memory timings and managed to reach 130FPS!!!

Ahh...I just wish If this CPU is unlocked...this OC is all via BCLK tho' it's not a bad OC(115/bus)which gives me 3,45Ghz(All cores)+Turbo up to the 4,03Ghz(few cores)....and yeah my memory is also just a regular Kingston 1333Mhz as I am all about price/performance(cheap bastard)`tho Its working on 1550Mhz and it's in quad channel + yeah I did tighten timings a bit.......

 

[Mbellantoni]

I initially used PBO for single core boost to 5.05Ghz on my 5800X, but later realized that a 4.65ghz all core manual OC gave me basically the same frames in games as the PBO, at lots less voltage and heat produced.

One thing about this game and benchmark, have seen it in various other benchmarks, extra core count gives by itself a FPS boost, besides the faster tuned RAM.

For sure having more cores helps lessen the bottleneck all together.

What im picking up from this test is increasing ram speed, core clock or just cores in general just lessens the bottleneck at stupidly high frames rates to different degrees. Core count being the biggest and after testing this benchmark cpu speed and ram speed kind of trade blows. Normally the cpu renders more than the gpu can process anyways but in this case the increased ram speed and latency allows the cpu to be more efficient which allows gpu to act more effeciently as well on the frames being rendered by lessening the bottleneck in a cpu bottlenecked situation resulting in a raw performance increase.

When your gpu bound the gpu cant act upon the frame anyways and the cpu is in a much more relaxed state. Only in certain situations can the extra ram speed be utilized resulting in increased 1% and .1% lows. So the increase isnt very noticeable at all.

Overall high fps games can utilize higher ram speed and the cpu itself much more efficiently. And while this benchmark is fun i never met anyone who plays tomb raider on potato settings lol.

 

[Felix123BU]

For sure having more cores helps lessen the bottleneck all together.

What im picking up from this test is increasing ram speed, core clock or just cores in general just lessens the bottleneck at stupidly high frames rates to different degrees. Core count being the biggest and after testing this benchmark cpu speed and ram speed kind of trade blows. Normally the cpu renders more than the gpu can process anyways but in this case the increased ram speed and latency allows the cpu to be more efficient which allows gpu to act more effeciently as well on the frames being rendered by lessening the bottleneck in a cpu bottlenecked situation resulting in a raw performance increase.

When your gpu bound the gpu cant act upon the frame anyways and the cpu is in a much more relaxed state. Only in certain situations can the extra ram speed be utilized resulting in increased 1% and .1% lows. So the increase isnt very noticeable at all.

Overall high fps games can utilize higher ram speed and the cpu itself much more efficiently. And while this benchmark is fun i never met anyone who plays tomb raider on potato settings lol.

"And while this benchmark is fun i never met anyone who plays tomb raider on potato settings lol." so very true , yet nobody "plays" 3D Mark either, and people still loose hours on it, we are strange creatures

 

[Splinterdog]

I ran the bench again just to be sure and then ran it on my second rig with Ryzen 2600x/RX 580. The performance difference is staggering.

The second one is with Windows 11 by the way, although it says Win 10 in the result.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I ran the bench again just to be sure and then ran it on my second rig with Ryzen 2600x/RX 580. The performance difference is staggering.
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The second one is with Windows 11 by the way, although it says Win 10 in the result.

I am curious are both of those systems are on stock speeds or they are OC?

 

[Cowboystrekk]

I ran the bench again just to be sure and then ran it on my second rig with Ryzen 2600x/RX 580. The performance difference is staggering.
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The second one is with Windows 11 by the way, although it says Win 10 in the result.

If you watch CPU Game avg 5600X is actually twice as fast. My 3600 with ram tweaked is able to get around 170 on that one.

 

[Det0x]

Playing around with new memory sticks and settings, could make a run for 320 average cpu fps..

 

[Mbellantoni]

Playing around with new memory sticks and settings, could make a run for 320 average cpu fps..

WOW those are cranked! what type of voltage are you running to those badboys to keep em stable ;]

taraquin i finally got around to pickin up aida. heres my results. although i did have to back off my trfc and increase my voltage up to 1.60v im not sure which was causing a random error in memtest at random times. so i adjusted both since it took too long to sit there and figure it out i kind of knew its either one or the other. im leaning more towards the trfc though and ill try to lower my voltage back down sometime soon to around 1.58v im not too concerned either way my ram doesnt pass 35c under heavy loads with my fan installed. with the temps being so much lower than non cooled ram even at stock xmp voltages i think i can run this profile daily without worrying about my ram crapping out any time soon.

 

[Felix123BU]

Playing around with new memory sticks and settings, could make a run for 320 average cpu fps..
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Big difference from the previous sticks? As far as I remember those where quite fast too.

51.7 latency....mmm....the best I could achieve with my meh sticks is 53.5ns and those settings where barely stable

 

[Mbellantoni]

Big difference from the previous sticks? As far as I remember those where quite fast too.

51.7 latency....mmm....the best I could achieve with my meh sticks is 53.5ns and those settings where barely stable

yea thats pretty insane whats hes got going on there at 3800mhz. my computer would laugh at me if i punched something like that in lol. comes stock at 4000cl14 so thats a premium bin for you $$ lol

 

[Felix123BU]

Did any of you manage to get FCLK and UCLK fully stable at 2000mhz and tight timings?

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Did any of you manage to get FCLK and UCLK fully stable at 2000mhz and tight timings?

Best I have got so far is 16-16-15 and 282 trfc, pthers quite tight, must up voltage very much to stabiluze tighter timings :/

WOW those are cranked! what type of voltage are you running to those badboys to keep em stable ;]

taraquin i finally got around to pickin up aida. heres my results. although i did have to back off my trfc and increase my voltage up to 1.60v im not sure which was causing a random error in memtest at random times. so i adjusted both since it took too long to sit there and figure it out i kind of knew its either one or the other. im leaning more towards the trfc though and ill try to lower my voltage back down sometime soon to around 1.58v im not too concerned either way my ram doesnt pass 35c under heavy loads with my fan installed. with the temps being so much lower than non cooled ram even at stock xmp voltages i think i can run this profile daily without worrying about my ram crapping out any time soon.
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My score with 16-16-15 and volt at 1.47V:
Running +200 pbo and 2T which might explain a bit better latency.

 

[Splinterdog]

I am curious are both of those systems are on stock speeds or they are OC?

Everything at stock

 

[Mbellantoni]

Best I have got so far is 16-16-15 and 282 trfc, pthers quite tight, must up voltage very much to stabiluze tighter timings :/


My score with 16-16-15 and volt at 1.47V:
Running +200 pbo and 2T which might explain a bit better latency.
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Thats impressive. How is your cache so much faster than mine? EDIT: nevermind its an EDC related value bug with precision boost overdrive. ive capped mine to 105 and that gives me better real world performance but worse l3cache scores in aida

Did any of you manage to get FCLK and UCLK fully stable at 2000mhz and tight timings?

I wouldnt say mine is fully stable. Its stable in a sense that it wont crash my pc or corrupt any data.

I still get whea 19 (interconnect bus errors) which are corrected and non fatal errors in certain situations. A very small amount. I can reproduce them when stress testing p95 large fft's and thats about it. anything else i can do without errors like gaming and memory stress testing. Every once in a while when i start up a game i might get 1 or 2. But never during gaming or benchmarking.

There was a very narrow window of vsoc voltages and sub voltages that greatly minimized my chances of getting a whea 19. Too much and i got more. Too little and i had the same result. Even going as far at 10-15mv on the sub voltages caused a big difference and it took a while to actually dial in.

 

[Felix123BU]

Thats impressive. How is your cache so much faster than mine? EDIT: nevermind its an EDC related value bug with precision boost overdrive. ive capped mine to 105 and that gives me better real world performance but worse l3cache scores in aida


I wouldnt say mine is fully stable. Its stable in a sense that it wont crash my pc or corrupt any data.

I still get whea 19 (interconnect bus errors) which are corrected and non fatal errors in certain situations. A very small amount. I can reproduce them when stress testing p95 large fft's and thats about it. anything else i can do without errors like gaming and memory stress testing. Every once in a while when i start up a game i might get 1 or 2. But never during gaming or benchmarking.

There was a very narrow window of vsoc voltages and sub voltages that greatly minimized my chances of getting a whea 19. Too much and i got more. Too little and i had the same result. Even going as far at 10-15mv on the sub voltages caused a big difference and it took a while to actually dial in.

Yup, same for me, @2000 I get whea interconnect bus errors whatever voltage I would push through it, whatever timings, tried up to 1.65, did not help. Might be the CPU, might be the RAM for me.

My sticks are weird, they get unstable at high voltages, anything above 1.45v will spit out errors, a setting that is 100% stable at 1.38v will be unstable at 1.5v, regardless of any other consideration.
But it does need only 1.38 for 3800 CL16, at least that is good

This is what I can do max, and this I use on a daily basis. Not to bad for a meeh ram kit which is rated for max 3333 CL16-17-16 @1.35v

Best I have got so far is 16-16-15 and 282 trfc, pthers quite tight, must up voltage very much to stabiluze tighter timings :/


My score with 16-16-15 and volt at 1.47V:
Running +200 pbo and 2T which might explain a bit better latency.
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"Best I have got so far is 16-16-15 and 282 trfc" - at 2000 FCLK? Cool Is it stable?