GIGABYTE Releases Statement on GP-P850GM & GP-P750GM PSUs

[Tomorrow]

x570 vs x570s is two different chipsets, not revisions. What's he's talking about is the same board from gigabyte having sometimes upwards of 6 revisions within a year. THAT is not normal. That is poor QC beta quality boards being sold as final products. One or two revisions is one thing, but 5-6 was ridiculous even 20 years ago when QC was non existent compared to today.

X570S is a revision. Nothing more. It's not a brand new chipset. Can you give me examples of those 6 revisions. The most i've seen thus far is two. Sounds more like an urban legend to fit the narrative.

 

[trsttte]

How many users even on TPU need 80+ Gold/platinum/titanium PSU rated for 750-850W or more? Also it's not exactly cheap!

Everyone should needs gold/platinum/titanium since it measures efficiency and you want an efficient psu to save on the power bill and the planet!

As for 750-850w, with current gpu's and what seems to be coming next gen yeah, seems more and more people will need at least 750w than it once was the norm. Maybe in 2 or 3 generations we invert the trend, next gen should be 4k high fps so after that I'd think companies will start working on efficiency again

X570S is a revision. Nothing more. It's not a brand new chipset. Can you give me examples of those 6 revisions. The most i've seen thus far is two. Sounds more like an urban legend to fit the narrative.

and during a silicon shortage where work arounds need to be found for missing parts no less. At least they announce/list the new revision, contrary to other companies who produce crappy cheaper garbage revisions silently (coffcoff**adata**coffcoff)

 

[WhitetailAni]

How many users even on TPU need 80+ Gold/platinum/titanium PSU rated for 750-850W or more? Also it's not exactly cheap!

At least one, me.

x570 vs x570s is two different chipsets, not revisions

Really? I thought that X570S was just X570 tweaked a bit to have lower power consumption.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I have an eligible GP-P850GM still in shrink ramp from when I got it with a newegg combo in 2020. I guess i'll do the replacement, I didn't want to use it for anything because the reviews on these units was so bad, I guess the replacement should be better?

Best I would use it for would just be for a base power up test on a system to see if it posts: MB, 1 stick of RAM, OS drive (not really needed) and low-end GPU (if onboard isn't available) to get video on the monitor.

Even then I probably would just dump the damn thing in the trash based on the reviews I've read about them.

For me, I don't trust or distrust any brand as a whole. Everybody has made shoddy parts. Need to review each part with blinders on. Choose based on the specifics of each part regardless of the brands past sins or wins.

I don't know. I still won't give Razer any of my money based on one purchase and complete failure of the product.

I think it backs my decision when my younger brother purchased a Razer headset because the cheap one he was using becomes uncomfortable after 30 minutes of game play.
Cheap headset was uncomfortable, but only cost around $25. Mic audio was amazing on it.
$80+ Razer headset he says is much more comfortable, but he sounds like a 12 year old, nasally. He's messed with so many settings and still sounds like a nasally, 12 year old. He hates the forced software and there are so many options (according to him) to adjust audio and mic levels that he's become irritated with the mic performance.
I just laugh at him every time I hear him talk through that headset. He's pissed he spent that money and it sounds like shit. He's tried tweaks he's found online and nothing works.

Ha! I tell him to get something that's not Razer or Turtle Beach.

 

[trsttte]

The reason they catch fire is because the OPP is set far too high (150%) for the quality of the components used, they can barely handle 100% of the rated load for periods that should be considered "normal operation"

There's also the additional "problem" that current components have large power spikes very often, if the components used are subpar and they are using a large opp threshhold it's bound to come into problems.

But even ignoring these problems, the psu's blew up, even killed a 3080 during gamers nexus limited sample. There is such a thing called failing gracefully, this sure ain't it!

Really? I thought that X570S was just X570 tweaked a bit to have lower power consumption.

I already read both version and I really don't know. Asus didn't even call it x570s in their new boards sticking with x570, but then why not simply release a bios update to the old boards?

 

[Aretak]

They had reputable boards during AM3+ but after that I dont trust them.

Not to mention look at all the revisions their boards go through

I still have my MA790XT-UD4P and it still works fine to this day. Thing was built to last and handled a 1090T at 4GHz/1.45V just fine for years. I wouldn't touch their motherboards these days though. They fell so far behind the other manufacturers in terms of their UEFI. I hear it's a bit better in the past couple of years, but I still see no reason to pick them over other brands.

This statement is an absolute joke too.

 

[Tomorrow]

I still have my MA790XT-UD4P and it still works fine to this day. Thing was built to last and handled a 1090T at 4GHz/1.45V just fine for years. I wouldn't touch their motherboards these days though. They fell so far behind the other manufacturers in terms of their UEFI. I hear it's a bit better in the past couple of years, but I still see no reason to pick them over other brands.

This statement is an absolute joke too.

ASUS has the best BIOS in terms of UI. EVGA for features. MSI and Gigabyte are ok. AsRock's is the worst. Atleast for me it's very confusing for some reason.
Like i said eralier. Each manfucaturer has better and worse series. For example MSI might be great with one chipset but the worst with other. Past experiences do not matter much in this regard. Buyers should always read and watch reviews to decide if what they're buying is a good product regardless iof the manufacturer.

That being said there are some manufacturers that i avoid myself. But only because i always hear problems with them with every model and these are not just some one off problems. For example Seagate HDD's, Creative soundcards or some lower end PSU manufacturers.

 

[R0H1T]

Everyone should needs gold/platinum/titanium since it measures efficiency and you want an efficient psu to save on the power bill and the planet!

That's beside the point, it was more about needing PSUs rated for 750-850W loads ~ which I'm pretty sure less than 50% users on TPU actually have the need for, probably only 20-25% out (or less) in the real world.

At least one, me.

Yes noted.

 

[Dave65]

Companies will never stop bullshit like this until people decide that they can do without and just don't fucking buy it.. Same for these high prices for GPU's.. It is bullshit!

 

[eidairaman1]

I've never really been a Gigabyte fan. I bought an ATI/Gigabyte gpu which turned out to be a horrible overclocker, I think I could only get another 17 mhz.And it had an ugly blue pcb. Not really a good reason to blacklist a company,but I have shied away from them ever since.

That being said, I actually applaud this press release. They directly addressed the problem. Every single product out there is a compromise, sometimes product targets are off a bit. To be honest I am much more likely to choose one of their PSU's now then before, because I know they had to research the problem.

p.s. Has their been any actual users reporting explosions? Or is this all based on review failures?

Sapphire had a blue PCB as well

 

[maxfly]

ASUS has the best BIOS in terms of UI. EVGA for features. MSI and Gigabyte are ok. AsRock's is the worst. Atleast for me it's very confusing for some reason.
Like i said eralier. Each manfucaturer has better and worse series. For example MSI might be great with one chipset but the worst with other. Past experiences do not matter much in this regard. Buyers should always read and watch reviews to decide if what they're buying is a good product regardless iof the manufacturer.

That being said there are some manufacturers that i avoid myself. But only because i always hear problems with them with every model and these are not just some one off problems. For example Seagate HDD's, Creative soundcards or some lower end PSU manufacturers.

While i agree that researching any component purchase is always best practice and should be common sense(emphasis on should).
If you forget to factor in technical and customer service. All your research is for naught when that inevitable failure occurs and youve forgotten to research a companies track record with tech support and rma service(cs). Whoops, now i have to drop a couple grand on a new gpu because my client HAS to have his system and cant wait 4 to 6 weeks for the rma!
Having said that, surprisingly, ive had really solid experiences with Gigabytes customer service in the past but that doesn't change how i view their products. After seeing their reactions to this and other mb issues in the last year. They have succeeded in placing themselves firmly at the bottom of my trusted vendor list. For one, having to use a companies rma service at all is a huge factor in how i make hardware choices. Nearly as important as how well or poorly they deal with those rmas.

If Gigabyte wasnt being completely tone deaf and a typical greedy corporation, they would simply recall this failure. Apologize for this absolute flop of an excuse. Refund their customers money and take the tiny hit to their bottom line. gasp They could recoup some overall customer trust AND some all important customer loyalty. Then bury this mess once and for all.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

At least one, me.

Really? I thought that X570S was just X570 tweaked a bit to have lower power consumption.

Yes because "x570" was... chipset for inner use of AMD labs and was putted with minimal finishing to consumers because ASMedia which was ordered to design entire chipset did not cope with the task. However, some technologies of this company were used in the chipset.

 

[MarsM4N]

That's beside the point, it was more about needing PSUs rated for 750-850W loads ~ which I'm pretty sure less than 50% users on TPU actually have the need for, probably only 20-25% out (or less) in the real world.

Yes noted.

Actually it's pretty wise to choose a "overprovisioned" PSU with around 1/3 more watts that you actually need. That way you do not run into OPP limits, reduce stress on the PSU components, less fan noise & you get better power efficency. Plus, like many do not know, the PSU will degrade over time of use, resulting in less and less power you will get out of your PSU, which can/will result in stability problems & in the worst case damaged PC components.

Gigabytes response is nothing more as PR bullsh*t. They cheaped out on the hardware & their fix for it is a "software update", lmao! But what I find the most upsetting is the the side note discovery from the "Gamers Nexus" video. Different componments in every of their PSU's. It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you get. Makes basically every review of their PSU's null & void.

Back in the days I bought a Enermax PSU for my new rig, put everything together, but the PC wouldn't start. Tried it again on the wall socket in a different room where it triggered the main house fuse. Switched it back on & tried again to fire my rig up, resulting in a loud bang & sparks flying out from the back of the PSU. Luckly no components damaged. Sent it back for replacement/repair (took 6 weeks), bought in the meanwhile a replacement from BeQuiet (which is now more than 10 years old still runs flawless in my retired rig). The Enermax on the other hand (which I put on a shelf in the attic) was, as a relative needed one years later, still dead. Since then Enermax & the retailer is on my personal blacklist.

Never cheap out on the PSU, it's the backbone of your PC & can make or break your rig. I would personally only buy PSU's from brands who make their main money with PSU's, who know their business & have a name to loose. BeQuiet is it, Seasonic is also a solid choice. Corsair is out of the game, since they jumped on the manufactured Single Rail hype train, which is only of interrest for extreme overclockers. For normal users it's nothing more than a fire hazard. Btw. here's a little Single Rail experiment:

 

[Jism]

Its just amazing how Gigabyte have carved a big space in the PSU market only to have all that go away due to cheaply built PSU from a questionable OEM, they should have just rebranded a Seasonic or a CWT platform like most do, its safe and a company like Gigabyte can afford that ten time over

Make more profit by expanding.

However PSU's are serious. We had a time where people would buy ATX cases and have a sub-b 500W psu build inside of it for just 29.95$ all-in. You had many people assembling a high end system and usually within 2 weeks the PSU blew out completely. They cant carry the sustained load, the specs are advertised as "peak" and not sustained and these things where not build for best efficiency either.

You cant skimp out on a PSU. It's like the tires on your car. Luckily PSU's over the year became better and better and the quality usually can last up to years now. I still run on a Antec 750W PSU which is just pure quality components. It survived a FX 8320 at 4.8GHz with 6HDD's and a triple crossfire setup. These things are worth every penny you throw at it.

 

[zlobby]

I wonder which EU and US agencies gave them certificates?

Otherwise, it's pure bull. Skimming on quality with electrical components and designs is guaranteed to backfire, often literally.

 

[GerKNG]

reducing it by a couple watts to 120%...
some units blew up at 60% load.

 

[WhitetailAni]

I would personally only buy PSU's from brands who make their main money with PSU's, who know their business & have a name to loose. BeQuiet is it, Seasonic is also a solid choice. Corsair is out of the game, since they jumped on the manufactured Single Rail hype train, which is only of interrest for extreme overclockers. For normal users it's nothing more than a fire hazard. Btw. here's a little Single Rail experiment:

Never ever EVER buy PSUs based on brands. A Seasonic Prime is vastly superior to a Seasonic S12III.

Side note, I thought Seasonic was single-rail only and Corsair did multi-rail? I'm not certain.
@jonnyGURU probably does though.

 

[Dr. Dro]

x570 vs x570s is two different chipsets, not revisions. What's he's talking about is the same board from gigabyte having sometimes upwards of 6 revisions within a year. THAT is not normal. That is poor QC beta quality boards being sold as final products. One or two revisions is one thing, but 5-6 was ridiculous even 20 years ago when QC was non existent compared to today.

AFAIK, X570S is simply a denomination for silent (fanless) implementations of the X570 chipset. It is not a new, separate product.

 

[mama]

AFAIK, X570S is simply a denomination for silent (fanless) implementations of the X570 chipset. It is not a new, separate product.

Sort of is... new boards have new power stages and components.

 

[MarsM4N]

Never ever EVER buy PSUs based on brands. A Seasonic Prime is vastly superior to a Seasonic S12III.

Side note, I thought Seasonic was single-rail only and Corsair did multi-rail? I'm not certain.
@jonnyGURU probably does though.

That's true. But the chances to fall for a bad product are smaller. Always check reviews before purchase.

Dam, you're right. Just did some research & it looks like Seasonic is now using only single rail. Tried to find a list of Single/Multi Rail PSU's, but no luck. However, I found out that there are right now 14 PSU's on the market where you can switch between single & multi rail (from BeQuiet, Corsair & Cooler Master), which is also a nice 3rd option.

 

[TechLurker]

So stop selling bombs.

Didn't stop Samsung and their Note 7s for awhile.

 

[Flanker]

LOL Gigabyte, trying to justify exploding PSU's

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

I happen to still have a very old Gigabyte PSU laying around. The ODIN PLUS 550w, not even efficiency rated but never died, I guess Gigabyte don't like customers anymore.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

I happen to still have a very old Gigabyte PSU laying around. The ODIN PLUS 550w, not even efficiency rated but never died, I guess Gigabyte don't like customers anymore.

Its only these new models that have issues, reviewers said that previous Gigabyte PSUs are fine cause they are built by reputable OEMs, these however are built by MEIC, which not a big name and arent good in the PSU space

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Oh boy, Gigabyte certainly shot themselves in the foot

I beg to differ. They shot themselves in the crotch... with 12 guage birdshot. They make Dick Cheney look safe to hunt with.