AMD Ryzen 5 5600G APU Die Shots Published

[Vayra86]

Plenty of proof showing that more CUs would give more performance. Sure, DDR4 bandwidth sucks, but the limitation of current IGPs is still the lack of CUs. Additionally, we're now at the point where AMD's APUs support 3600MHz+ RAM speeds, and 1st-gen Zen APUs were struggling to get beyond 2666MHz until several AGESA revisions later. There's 35% more bandwidth to feed 35% more CUs right there from IMC and DDR4 speeds alone!

Mobile parts with Vega8 at 15W (actually more like 30W under boost loads) - so Vega20 doesn't have to be a 120W part. Restrict the IGP to 50W and you could still probably get 2GHz out of that integrated GPU.

Hell I don't know, even Vega12 would be an improvement, we just don't get enough GPU power in these things and the only reason people are buying them instead of the regular Zen3 chips is because they want the GPU included.

I think we shouldnt omit the idea that AMD now has a competitive GPU line up again. They arent directly looking for APUs that cannibalize on that.

 

[newtekie1]

Still counting 8 cores though and not 6.

Also an 8th vega in there, btw

That's because both the 5600G and 5700G use the same 8 core die.

Plenty of proof showing that more CUs would give more performance. Sure, DDR4 bandwidth sucks, but the limitation of current IGPs is still the lack of CUs. Additionally, we're now at the point where AMD's APUs support 3600MHz+ RAM speeds, and 1st-gen Zen APUs were struggling to get beyond 2666MHz until several AGESA revisions later. There's 35% more bandwidth to feed 35% more CUs right there from IMC and DDR4 speeds alone!

At this point, I'd rather see them dump Vega cores entirely and switch to RDNA2 cores on their processors. It really boggles my mind why they are still using GCN cores and not at least RDNA 1, or preferably RDNA 2 cores.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think we shouldnt omit the idea that AMD now has a competitive GPU line up again. They arent directly looking for APUs that cannibalize on that.

Hahah, there's no risk of Vega8 cannbalising 6600XT sales. The performance difference is more than an order of magnitude, right?

AMD could triple the performance of their IGP and there'd still be no overlap with their dGPUs.

 

[Jism]

The IGP is perfect for 2D work and some occasional games. But as long as DDR4 still is a limitation or HBM is'nt added on-die the performance will just like always be crippled. The Vega is a succes tho due to it's efficiency. Not the Vega II obviously. But in smaller quantities in relation of cores its a very efficient chip.

 

[Nephilim666]

New Category of product:
HEDT CPU with very high power delivery (400-500W) in STRX4 socket. only 16 CPU cores but full RDNA2 (or newer) die and 16GB HBM.
Only high end watercooling need apply.

 

[Chrispy_]

New Category of product:
HEDT CPU with very high power delivery (400-500W) in STRX4 socket. only 16 CPU cores but full RDNA2 (or newer) die and 16GB HBM.
Only high end watercooling need apply.

That sounds uncoolable and has zero economic viability. If you have an STRX4 socket and 400-500W or cooling you also have enough PCIe lanes and physical space to throw 8 RDNA2 cards at it, completely outclassing this hypothetical products sole niche by a factor of 8, probably at a much lower performance/$ too.

 

[olstyle]

I'd even take out more CUs and primarily update the multimedia engine.
The gamer IGP is what will be build into the Steam Deck. This here was always planned as a fast CPU for work which can put out an 2D image without an dedicated GPU. And for that the GPU part is still too big while lacking fixed function decoding for AV1 and high resolution output via HDMI 2.1.