TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Ruru]

Just get 2,8GHz 800MHz FSB Prescott and try again.

Good point, as it's 14x200, then just run it with 100FSB

e: CPU-Z shows that it has multiplier of 14-16x, can that 3.2GHz one be dropped to 14x, @F-Zero ?

 

[stef]

Hey guys, hope you all have a good day. So did you ever ask yourself how does a P4 3.2 Ghz (Prescott core)clocked @ 1.4 Ghz does against a P3 1.4 Ghz (Tualatin core). Well let's see, or how Joe from RETROHARDWARE would say: Let's go for it

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PassMark P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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SuperPi P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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3DMARK03 CPU TEST P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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CPU-Z bench P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 GHz

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Celeron 420 @1.4GHz (VIA PT880 chipset) for comparison:

3DMark 2003 CPU test:

Passmark CPU:

SuperPi:

CPU-Z Bench:

 

[Hamburger Burglar]

Tomorrow I will build a Windows 2000 gaming rig with this Pentium II 350. Sorry for the annoying watermark lol.

 

[Ruru]

Tomorrow I will build a Windows 2000 gaming rig with this Pentium II 350. Sorry for the annoying watermark lol.
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I'd personally go for Win98SE with such a slow CPU, I'd have 700+ MHz if I'd go with Win2K. At least it's with the newer 250nm core, it should overclock somewhat ok

 

[68Olds]

Good point, as it's 14x200, then just run it with 100FSB

e: CPU-Z shows that it has multiplier of 14-16x, can that 3.2GHz one be dropped to 14x, @F-Zero ?

It depends on the motherboard whether there is a multiplier setting in BIOS. Both my Abit S478 boards have the setting. Running my P4 3.4e @ 14x286 with 1:1 RAM divider in the AI7 was a lot of fun. Hot... But a lot of fun. lol I couldn't do that with my IC7g MaxII because of the 250MHz RAM bug.

I'd like to see a 2.8C northwood at 14x100 compared too (if one could be found). I bet it would beat the prescott in some benches with both running the lower FSB.
If I remember correctly the Willamette couldn't hold a candle to the Tualatin. That PIII was an awesome CPU.

 

[Mr.Scott]

It depends on the motherboard whether there is a multiplier setting in BIOS. Both my Abit S478 boards have the setting. Running my P4 3.4e @ 14x286 with 1:1 RAM divider in the AI7 was a lot of fun. Hot... But a lot of fun. lol I couldn't do that with my IC7g MaxII because of the 250MHz RAM bug.

I'd like to see a 2.8C northwood at 14x100 compared too (if one could be found). I bet it would beat the prescott in some benches with both running the lower FSB.
If I remember correctly the Willamette couldn't hold a candle to the Tualatin. That PIII was an awesome CPU.

Northwood vs. Prescott head to head, clock per clock, the only bench the Northwood wins is Wprime.
Trust me. It is a stage for a contest at HWB right now.

BTW, my 3.2 Northwood @ 4.1 does Wprime 32m in under a minute.
Comparable Prescott at same clocks does in in about a minute ten average.

 

[Trekkie4]

Never even seen a S423 board IRL, just only on the interwebz. Though I had a S478 Willamette (1.7GHz) back in the day, oh boy it was slow.

I had Asus P4T, S423 board back in the early 2000s ... and oh boy, was it a headache! Everything seemed perfect for the first year or two - until it was finally the time to upgrade. Because unlike nowdays, you couldn't run the same system for a whole decade, you had to upgrade often in order to run even the "basic" games from that era.

But anyhow, I remember searching around for Rambus modules (only to find out that the RIMM memory is incredibly rare ... and expensive) along with the fact that I was stuck with Socket 423 platform and couldn't upgrade to anything better. Couple of years later I bought a whole new system instead (Athlon 64) seeing that it was cheaper than throwing money into P4T/S423 hardware

 

[68Olds]

I made an assumption that the northwood shorter pipeline might benefit from the underclocked FSB. If not, I guess the greater L2 cache in the prescott makes the difference.

I saw that there was going to be some vintage hardware benching at HWB. Thought it might be fun to participate, but work doesn't provide me the time right now.

I had a s423 system back in the day. It was a Dell running WinME. Doh!

 

[Trekkie4]

I made an assumption that the northwood shorter pipeline might benefit from the underclocked FSB. If not, I guess the greater L2 cache in the prescott makes the difference.

I saw that there was going to be some vintage hardware benching at HWB. Thought it might be fun to participate, but work doesn't provide me the time right now.

I had a s423 system back in the day. It was a Dell running WinME. Doh!

There is nothing wrong with Windows ME if you ask me I've been running ME myself, years after XP came out.

 

[Hamburger Burglar]

I'd personally go for Win98SE with such a slow CPU, I'd have 700+ MHz if I'd go with Win2K. At least it's with the newer 250nm core, it should overclock somewhat ok

Yeah I thought that I could use 98 but because of the native usb support and large disk support (even my 1TB USB HDD ia being detected) I chose W2K. Also iam a huge fan of W2K.

Or maybe I should use the 450mhz model?

 

[QuietBob]

Hey guys, hope you all have a good day. So did you ever ask yourself how does a P4 3.2 Ghz (Prescott core)clocked @ 1.4 Ghz does against a P3 1.4 Ghz (Tualatin core). Well let's see, or how Joe from RETROHARDWARE would say: Let's go for it

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PassMark P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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SuperPi P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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3DMARK03 CPU TEST P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 Ghz

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CPU-Z bench P3 vs P4 @ 1.4 GHz

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Ooh, the 1.4 GHz single core club? I want in

 

[stef]

Interesting. That Sempron may be closest thing to Tualatin III-S. I mean, it's better overal but close in some tests.
AMD64 likes low-latency memory modules. You can try 2.5-3-3-8 1T maybe. Most of the PC3200 modules should be able to do that.

I have Geode NX1750 @ 1.4GHz. Need to test that. It's pretty much same gen. as Tualatin, and also socket A.

 

[Trekkie4]

Speaking of Tualatins ... behold the one & only 1.4


Yes, it took me a while to find one, and it was much more expensive than I expected but nevertheless...

 

[Ruru]

What was new to me (several years ago) that also some Coppermines (Coppermine-T) have IHS as well. I thought for a long that it was a Tualatin exclusive.

 

[F-Zero]

Good point, as it's 14x200, then just run it with 100FSB

e: CPU-Z shows that it has multiplier of 14-16x, can that 3.2GHz one be dropped to 14x, @F-Zero ?

Sorry the mobo doesn't have that option.

 

[Trekkie4]

What was new to me (several years ago) that also some Coppermines (Coppermine-T) have IHS as well. I thought for a long that it was a Tualatin exclusive.

Same here, this came to my attention when I first began to Google for the fastest Coppermine PIII. At the time I didn't have a S370 socket converter, so when the model with IHS popped out I double-checked to make sure that it wasn't a typo or mislabeled product. As it turned out, it wasn't

 

[Jetster]

Selling a C2Q 9550 board and memory if anyone is interested

[FS][US] - C2Q 9550 CPU and board (SOLD)

SOLD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel Motherboard DP43BF Core 2 Quad 9550 CPU Mushkin PC3 12800 Matched set 2X4 9-9-9-24 Rosewill RCX Z775 80 mm cooler The GPU I would like to keep for testing. SOLD Let me know if anyone is interested

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Trekkie4]

Selling a C2Q 9550 board and memory if anyone is interested

[FS][US] - C2Q 9550 CPU and board (SOLD)

SOLD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel Motherboard DP43BF Core 2 Quad 9550 CPU Mushkin PC3 12800 Matched set 2X4 9-9-9-24 Rosewill RCX Z775 80 mm cooler The GPU I would like to keep for testing. SOLD Let me know if anyone is interested

www.techpowerup.com

Retro hardware aside, I've been looking to upgrade my daily runner Q6600 and your Q9550 would certainly hit the spot.
But since you're from the States, it wouldn't make much (or any, for that matter) sense to have it shipped to EU due to the price of shipping & customs

 

[MaxiPro800]

Got a free laptop a few days ago.



Acer Aspire 8530G. Was reflowed beforehand as it would not POST.

Upgraded specs:
AMD Turion Ultra ZM-80
Radeon HD3470 256MB (+ option to do Crossfire w/ onboard HD3200 IGP)
4GB Hynix DDR2 800MHz
500Gb WD Scorpio Blue
currently running Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

To be fair, even high quality electrolytic caps will fail. You parts will need a recap job someday. It's better to do so sooner rather than later to avoid leakage and corrosion from the electrolyte fluid..

Same issue on original XBOX consoles with the clock cap also a P3 system

Did I post this one before?

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@Robert B love that FX 5600

I owned the 930 way back when, that CPU could rival a GTX Fermi for heat output.

So I finally got myself a Geforce 3 Ti 200 from Ebay. It arrived today and after changing thermal paste and cleaning the card and heatsink I put the card in my P4 pc. After consulting HWINFO and GPU-Z I came to the realization that my GF3 Ti 200 is not a TI 200 but an original Geforce 3 ( 200/460 Mhz ) ASUS V8200 Deluxe.

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Ahhh the GPU that everyone thought was in the XBOX but it was a Geforce 3/4 hybrid.

NVIDIA Xbox GPU Specs

NVIDIA NV2A, 233 MHz, 4 Pixel Shaders, 2 Vertex Shaders, 8 TMUs, 4 ROPs, 64 MB DDR, 200 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

My new (Retro) laptop comes in Monday it is assumed.. Lenovo Thinkpad T500 with Core 2 Duo and HD 3650 graphics, I will have to have a play with it, it is for work and study but I love to mess.. see if it can run Crysis lol. Screen res of 1280x800 it may do!

 

[Caring1]

I got given an Acer Extensa 5235 Laptop a few days ago.
It initially came with a Celeron T3100 @1.9GHz and 2GB of Ram running Windows 7 Home Premium.

Using parts I had already, it now has a C2D T7250 @2.0ghZ AND 4GB Ram running Windows 10 Pro.
I also updated the BIOS to the latest version 3310

 

[lexluthermiester]

I got given an Acer Extensa 5235 Laptop a few days ago.
It initially came with a Celeron T3100 @1.9GHz and 2GB of Ram running Windows 7 Home Premium.

Using parts I had already, it now has a C2D T7250 @2.0ghZ AND 4GB Ram running Windows 10 Pro.
I also updated the BIOS to the latest version 3310

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That system isn't too different from the Vaio that I was using to test Windows 11 on and it runs perfectly. You should give it a try. Do you have an ISO to test with?

 

[Caring1]

That system isn't too different from the Vaio that I was using to test Windows 11 on and it runs perfectly. You should give it a try. Do you have an ISO to test with?

Not yet, I can wait for the public release.

 

[delshay]

Hold-on, just like post #11,849 I have found another drive, but this one is even more rare. I never knew I had this drive.. I can also see another rare external floppy drive for the amiga. This one has a built-in track counter. I will do my best to pull this one out also, but let me get photos of AE drive first.

"Applied Engineering" Floppy drive made for "Amiga Computers" (external floppy drive with motorize eject system). Dual colour LED for read/write operations. ..You should be able to send a command to this drive also to eject floppy.

Got a free laptop a few days ago.
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Acer Aspire 8530G. Was reflowed beforehand as it would not POST.

Upgraded specs:
AMD Turion Ultra ZM-80
Radeon HD3470 256MB (+ option to do Crossfire w/ onboard HD3200 IGP)
4GB Hynix DDR2 800MHz
500Gb WD Scorpio Blue
currently running Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64.

I use this rare laptop for all surfing & web posting. You may want to check if you can upgrade the processor to ZM-87 (see last screeshot)

 

[MaxiPro800]

While it does support ZM-87 according to one Russian buyer on AliExpress, I'm not pushing my luck. The ZM-80 is quite hot as it is, and I'm not sure whether the 8530G's CPU cooling, despite being considerably big (compared to a 6530G for example), is up to par with cooling a ZM-87, and I fear for trying a 87 in my other dedicated HD3450 based HP DV5-1026eo.

It's getting hot with a 82 as it is (I've copper shimmed it on the GPU and northbridge to prevent it from killing itself because of the crappy thermal pads HP has decided to stick in there) and I've seen one for sale with a 86, with the seller complaining it gets real hot (somewhere in the mid 80s to low 90s, and that's with new thermal paste!) and constantly restarts.

The whole Socket S1 lineage runs that hot by default it seems. It doesn't sting as much with S1G1 (I have an HP DV9730 with a TL-64 and 8400M GS, it was warm, but not that much) but good god, the S1G2 (in my case HP DV5, Compaq 6735s, and recently the Acer 8530G as well) run hotter than the sun. Same applies to S1G3 (Turion II M520 "Caspian" in an HP DV6-2115sa w/ HD4650 1GB and a Acer 7540 w/ Athlon M320 and HD4570 512M), and S1G4 is a downright nightmare (Phenom II X3 N830 in a Acer 5551G, Phenom II X2 N620 in a HP DV7-4150eo, Phenom II X4 N970 in a Acer 7551G) in terms of cooling.

The only ones I've seen running slightly cooler are the first generation of APUs - A4-3300M and A6-3420M would be two fine examples.