Windows 11 General Discussion

Mussels · Sep 7, 2021

*Post wiped and redone for clarity*

Hows this? 11.5-18.9% performance loss on the 128GB partitions, 5-10.6% on the 1TB+ partitions

FireFox · Sep 7, 2021

lexluthermiester · Sep 7, 2021

Mussels said:
*Post wiped and redone for clarity*

Hows this? 11.5-18.9% performance loss on the 128GB partitions, 5-10.6% on the 1TB+ partitionsView attachment 215901

That's most assuredly not margin of error type numbers.

windwhirl · Sep 7, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
That's most assuredly not margin of error type numbers.

Perhaps it's the storage system reworking that Microsoft mentioned back when they announced DirectStorage?

I mean, aside from that API (?) itself, they also mentioned that they did a number of changes that would also be ported back to Windows 10 at some point, regardless of the lack of DirectStorage there?

AusWolf · Sep 7, 2021

windwhirl said:
Perhaps it's the storage system reworking that Microsoft mentioned back when they announced DirectStorage?

I mean, aside from that API (?) itself, they also mentioned that they did a number of changes that would also be ported back to Windows 10 at some point, regardless of the lack of DirectStorage there?

Meaning that they're making things worse for no reason?

windwhirl · Sep 7, 2021

AusWolf said:
Meaning that they're making things worse for no reason?

It's just a guess, I could be way wrong.

ThrashZone · Sep 7, 2021

AusWolf said:
Meaning that they're making things worse for no reason?

Hi,
Yes trying to idiot proof an os with obnoxious security requirements is silly, idiots will always find a way lol

R-T-B · Sep 7, 2021

AusWolf said:
Meaning that they're making things worse for no reason?

Meaning things are in flux. It's still a beta, no telling what the final metrics will be.

Right now it does seem more a step backwards though...

lexluthermiester · Sep 7, 2021

R-T-B said:
Right now it does seem more a step backwards though...

Or it might be a side step they haven't finished..

R-T-B · Sep 7, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
Or it might be a side step they haven't finished..

Like I said, I can only speak to right now.

Mussels · Sep 8, 2021

FireFox said:
View attachment 215904 View attachment 215905

With all that free space, can you use disk management and shrink the partition down to 128GB and see if you can reproduce the performance loss?

Metroid · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
With all that free space, can you use disk management and shrink the partition down to 128GB and see if you can reproduce the performance loss?

I guess will take sometime for microsoft to find out this minor regression of performance.

Space Lynx · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
Yes, it is a glitch in 11. With a Vsync related workaround, that is worth knowing about for people gaming on the OS. This is the W11 thread after all.

Also... W11 is past RTM. This build of 11 is pre-installed onto laptops and devices around the world already, updates will arrive by launch but we're damn close to that time and need to be aware of its issues.

Also, W11 is slower at writing to NVME drives for some reason... 4k random got smashed on my samsung drive, but my WD drive is unaffected?

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Right, can anyone with partitions on their drives in W11 check something for me? Or even partition a spare SSD?

4K-64 random writes *tank* when i bench my 128GB OS partitions in W11, yet the same partitions bench at full speed in W10
Secondary partitions on the same drives (D: in each OS) bench at full speed. Results are same PC, like 3 minutes apart (all programs quit, AV paused)

looks like my decision to wait a year after official release is going to be a good one.

FireFox · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
With all that free space, can you use disk management and shrink the partition down to 128GB and see if you can reproduce the performance loss?

Which software did you use to shrink it, and what about data loss?

Mussels · Sep 8, 2021

FireFox said:
Which software did you use to shrink it, and what about data loss?

disk management in windows, no loss and its fast.

I just had to math out the drive sizes i wanted (existing size minus 131,072 = size to shrink by)

lexluthermiester · Sep 8, 2021

FireFox said:
Which software did you use to shrink it, and what about data loss?

AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard

https://www2.aomeisoftware.com/download/pa/PAssist_Std.exe

Or Disk Genius

Top Partition Manager Software for both Home and Business Users

All-rounded partition manager software for Windows PCs and Servers to create, resize, extend, delete, format or clone partition and maximize disk capacity usage.

www.diskgenius.com

There is a partition resizing tool within each.

FireFox · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
disk management in windows, no loss and its fast.

I just had to math out the drive sizes i wanted (existing size minus 131,072 = size to shrink by)

I am on it.
Will post as soon as i am done.

@Mussels
sadly i cant shrink the W10 to 128GB and i cant expand it neither, the minimum is 204GB,
however in W11 wasn't a problem.

lexluthermiester · Sep 8, 2021

FireFox said:
I am on it.
Will post as soon as i am done.

@Mussels
sadly i cant shrink the W10 to 128GB and i cant expand it neither, the minimum is 204GB,
however in W11 wasn't a problem.

View attachment 215953

With one of the utilities above, you will not be limited by this, unless the contents of your partition exceed 128GB.

FireFox · Sep 8, 2021

@Mussels

lexluthermiester · Sep 8, 2021

FireFox said:
@Mussels

View attachment 215956 View attachment 215957

With the exception of the RND4K writes, those look on PAR with each other.

Mussels · Sep 8, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
With the exception of the RND4K writes, those look on PAR with each other.

thats exactly it, the rest stay the same (as they should) but the multi threaded 4K random writes just tank

That's iops and not MB/s, but still 15.4% advantage to win10

FireFox · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
That's iops and not MB/s, but still 15.4% advantage to win10

Sorry

At least i hope that the info provided was helpful.

lexluthermiester said:
AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard

It asked me to upgrade to premium.

Splinterdog · Sep 8, 2021

I had never heard of StartIsBack until now. Anyone tried it?

StartIsBack beta brings another Start menu replacement to Windows 11

If you're not happy with the WIndows 11 Start menu, you can now try a preview build of StartIsBack to bring back the old style again.

www.xda-developers.com

theFOoL · Sep 8, 2021

Splinterdog said:
I had never heard of StartIsBack until now. Anyone tried it?

StartIsBack beta brings another Start menu replacement to Windows 11

If you're not happy with the WIndows 11 Start menu, you can now try a preview build of StartIsBack to bring back the old style again.

www.xda-developers.com

I like it but it messed with my *Hide watermark app so I'll wait for Openshell

lexluthermiester · Sep 8, 2021

Mussels said:
thats exactly it, the rest stay the same (as they should) but the multi threaded 4K random writes just tank

That's iops and not MB/s, but still 15.4% advantage to win10

True, but looking at all of the other numbers, the performance gets a boost. Not a big one, but it's there in his system. I've but trying this in my systems but the results are margin of error differences. I've been unable to replicate your problem or even FireFox's results.

theFOoL said:
I like it but it messed with my *Hide watermark app so I'll wait for Openshell

OpenShell already works. Requires a bit of config, but works fine otherwise.

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