NVIDIA RTX 30 SUPER Series Specifications Rumored

[Minus Infinity]

The specs of the 3060 S and 3070 S make utterly no sense at all. Just having a 3060 Ti makes no sense at all so close to 3070 in performance and now they make a 3060 S better than 3060 Ti.
Huang is smoking crack if these are true.

 

[neatfeatguy]

The specs of the 3060 S and 3070 S make utterly no sense at all. Just having a 3060 Ti makes no sense at all so close to 3070 in performance and now they make a 3060 S better than 3060 Ti.
Huang is smoking crack if these are true.

A 3060 and 3060Ti has around a 25-30% performance difference between the two. I'd like to think that if a 3060 Super came out, it would fall right in the middle of those two cards, but it's hard to speculate just going off of leaked info to know exactly where these cards will sit or if they'll even exist at all.

 

[Krzych]

So there's almost no difference between a 3070/SUPER/Ti?

But why?

I mean the 3070 Ti was already not too great above the 3070, and now there's the 3070 SUPER shoved between them.

This kind of mid-generation refresh is made for two main reasons. First is to renew the interest mid-gen because it drops a lot by that point, so they are going to make another launch event to shake things up. Second is accounting for improvements of production and yields that happened over time, and also developments in graphics memory, so for example the yields of GA102 gotten better so 3080-class card can now get 8960 cores instead of 8704 and memory has gotten cheaper and more available, so it can now get 12 GB. For 3090 maybe it will be possible to have memory modules on one side of the PCB now.

Point is, this refresh is not supposed to make any sense in terms of lineup and how far from each other certain models are, reasons are strictly economical and they are going to pick specifications that are the most efficient for them and mostly yields are dictating that. The only reason they would go out of their way with it and make card that "makes sense" would be if they needed a card in certain segment to meet specific performance target because of competition for example, but not only there isn't any, but everything sells out anyway.

 

[kanecvr]

And be it at near MSRP.

The 3060 12gb wouldn't be that bad a card for me if I could buy it at near MSRP price.

Not "near" MSRP, at or below it.

For poops and giggles, check out laptop prices. In my country you can get a Lenovo with a Ryzen 5600 and a RTX 3060 mobile for about the same price as a desktop RTX 3060 graphics card. Now I know the desktop version is faster, but seriously... 960e for a complete working laptop with a RTX 3060, or a graphics card only for 750 euro - what would you chose?

 

[olymind1]

Not "near" MSRP, at or below it.

For poops and giggles, check out laptop prices. In my country you can get a Lenovo with a Ryzen 5600 and a RTX 3060 mobile for about the same price as a desktop RTX 3060 graphics card. Now I know the desktop version is faster, but seriously... 960e for a complete working laptop with a RTX 3060, or a graphics card only for 750 euro - what would you chose?

I don't really like the idea of a gaming laptop, for high(ish) performance even for pc we need properly cooled case with large heatsinks on cpu, on vrm and on vga too and big fans, for quiet operation at least. Not to mention they sell it under the same name and offer different performance.

But for that money and under current conditions, i would probably think about the laptop if i have to buy everything brand new from the ground up, but still, i like PC better and since already have a complete PC.. so i only would like upgrade my VGA but not at these prices, but understand where you're coming from.

 

[kanecvr]

I don't really like the idea of a gaming laptop, for high(ish) performance even for pc we need properly cooled case with large heatsinks on cpu, on vrm and on vga too and big fans, for quiet operation at least. Not to mention they sell it under the same name and offer different performance.

But for that money and under current conditions, i would probably think about the laptop if i have to buy everything brand new from the ground up, but still, i like PC better and since already have a complete PC.. so i only would like upgrade my VGA but not at these prices, but understand where you're coming from.

yeah I refuse to spend double the money on a graphics card out of principle - especially not when I bought my current graphics card, about this time (or late summer) last year, and spent 453$ on it. And it was a mid-high end product when I bought it. Now they expect us to pay double that for a mid end card like the 6600XT or 3060? No fanks mate. Having a working desktop sans video card won't stop me from getting a RTX 3060 equipped laptop since it will cost about as much as a 3060 alone, especially when I can always stick my old gtx 1070 in my desktop and have two working computers. I can't justify spending that much money for a video card. We're voting with our wallets here, please keep that in mind.

As for laptop cooling performance, it really depends on the model. My last four gaming laptops all survived and are in running condition - starting with my ASUS G751GY witch I bought back in 2015 - battery is dead, the touchpad is kind of gross and left click button no longer works, but the laptop will run any benchmark for hours perfectly stable. Took it out of it's box last month to fix the touchpad button and change the thermal paste. My 2017 MSI GV72 8RW is also perfectly functional - surviving both me and my kid gaming on it (kid's been using it for the last year or so), despite the CPU often reaching 96C under load. Replaced it last week with my old TUF FA506IV witch again is a bit on the toasty side, CPU can go up to 93-94C under load, and it's going great. Battery on the MSI can still manage about 1h 30 min, and the FA506 gets 4-5 hours still.

To be fair, the FA506IV was replaced in the first 5 weeks of purchasing. It started giving "DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION BSODs that would not go away until I uninstalled either the iGPU or dGPU driver in safe mode. No artifacting, no overheating, no lockups tho' so I have no idea what was wrong with it. ASUS replaced it under warranty, and I've had no issues with the 2nd one since.