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As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, China is Now Experiencing Power Shortages

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Highly educated personal, hard-working ethics, low violence, stable output, ample natural resources, mass population. These are just a few. There is a reason East Asian countries does super well in terms of economy growth. East Asia has been the absolute center of science and economy power house for the most part of human civilization history.

Anyone think China is still communism is delutional and have watched too many western media propanganda. They are hyper capitalism.
Err calm yourself but yeah you're opinion differs, it's allowed here.
 
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Anyone think China is still communism is delutional and have watched too many western media propanganda. They are hyper capitalism.
the only difference between china and the west is that their power is more centric, so it has it's advantages and disadvantages...

I don't want to get too political, but it looks like china is made by foxes, meanwhile the west it's made by dumbasses,

yeah it's really a good move to let pass bills that make your own production difficult, but then allowing imports/exports to/from countries who don't have such legislation, and then selling the same crap for 5 times more; why would I even want to buy an "Italian" shirt if I can buy the same crap for 5 times less?
 
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I don't want to get too political, but it looks like china is made by foxes, meanwhile the west it's made by dumbasses,

That's not getting political.. that's drinking the poo-bear coolaid..
 
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the only difference between china and the west is that their power is more centric, so it has it's advantages and disadvantages...

I don't want to get too political, but it looks like china is made by foxes, meanwhile the west it's made by dumbasses,

yeah it's really a good move to let pass bills that make your own production difficult, but then allowing imports/exports to/from countries who don't have such legislation, and then selling the same crap for 5 times more; why would I even want to buy an "Italian" shirt if I can buy the same crap for 5 times less?
Another is that it's a popular pass time in the west to critique and bemoan our own government's!.
I'm quite addept myself.
 
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I can't understand the reference?
I'm sorry English is not my first language

well, all politics is shit, west or not
Well, all the world's shit, all or not?! I mean if we're going full five year old.
 
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Isn't this because of China stopped importing coal from Australia for political reasons and now causing a coal shortage in China?
 

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Quite beyond me why all the investment went to China in the first place, when Africa India etc etc are also growing economies without communist rule.

Well China own a lot of the mines in Africa too.
 
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Huh ?
No bullets , it’s not a movie , you pay a fine .
Well, not to get too political, but there was this thing:
Note, there is no mention of this practice ever stopping, only of "declining number". How much do you trust official PRC government statements is up to you.
 
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Don’t worry the US will be at war with China I’m the next few years, regardless of who’s in office :shrug:

mods should probably close this thread, lot of xenophobia and FUD
 
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Isn't this because of China stopped importing coal from Australia for political reasons and now causing a coal shortage in China?

Not actually a "shortage" but rather "Coal prices sky-rocketed"
Because other countries just buy the AUS coal then re-sell to them.

And the China gov controls the price of electricity, so the private electricity companies can't raise their prices.

So they just shut their power plants down to prevent losses.
 
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Highly educated personal, hard-working ethics,(1) low violence, stable output,(2) ample natural resources, mass population.(3) These are just a few.

1 - will no longer be true in the very near future, google: "laying flat"
2 - see point one
3 - Population is aging at an alarming rate, birth rates are still in a tailspin due to current and prior policies, and the current generation doesn't see the point in starting a family due to bleak outlooks and being overworked.

Companies and corporations with an ear to the ground are already unilaterally pulling out of the country.
 
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Yeah got to slow things down to drive prices up more
China is pretty good at creating crisis's we've all been living through the best one for the last two years.
I cannot comment about previous incidents, but in this case, I don't think it is fair to ding China for it. Countries around the world chose to put their eggs in one basket, so it is a risk that nations around the world decided to take. And of course we know that it is not going well.

While we can say that the government should handle the steps to reduce CO2 better, but likewise, we can also say that we should buy less. Some people buy what they need, but there are people who don't, which creates the demand that drive the factory to use more power to meet demand. Historically as it gets colder in China, the high usage of coal to produce power always put some of the cities in China in a thick blanket of toxic smog, which I think is not just trying to cut emission, but also to avoid the smog problem.
 
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While we can say that the government should handle the steps to reduce CO2 better, but likewise, we can also say that we should buy less. Some people buy what they need, but there are people who don't, which creates the demand that drive the factory to use more power to meet demand. Historically as it gets colder in China, the high usage of coal to produce power always put some of the cities in China in a thick blanket of toxic smog, which I think is not just trying to cut emission, but also to avoid the smog problem.
Their main target definitely isn't to reduce CO2 emission or fix the smog issue, China isn't a country that would sacrifice economy for this
 
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Sucked in to the government scum. They thought they were smart banning Australian coal as part of their huge hissy fit because we called for enquiry into origins of covid. China should self-isolate from the rest of the world until they grow up.
 
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Well, not to get too political, but there was this thing:
Note, there is no mention of this practice ever stopping, only of "declining number". How much do you trust official PRC government statements is up to you.
You’ll find a lot of shady stuff in every country’s history

Yeah we better stay on topic , I was mainly answering about the mining situation, it’s not exactly bullets and jail , there is law and failure to comply has consequences, btw I live in China , so i see Prc in action, i don’t hear about it in media

Yeah about that, it's a good job your not working on their PR, I don't want to get too political, It just surprises me Soo much investment went to China and not others.
I never doubted that they would try and make capitalism fail, sooo.
Lol I am not a big fan of China , no PR positions for me :p
As far as investments go , things are changing, a lot actually, many giant companies slowly exploring better options , like Vietnam , and Czech Republic if I remember correctly... and China is not sitting still , they are pumping a lot of of money , their national goal seems to be totally independent , right now they struggling with silicon and a few industries that require absent natural resources on their land
 
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Damn how is this thread still open? Mad nationalism with no attempt at objectivity (no apologist here, I am probably a greater critic of China than most)
 
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Damn how is this thread still open? Mad nationalism with no attempt at objectivity (no apologist here, I am probably a greater critic of China than most)
Well most threads about China has turned out this way and not many got locked. Just enjoy the fireworks
 

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Isn't this because of China stopped importing coal from Australia for political reasons and now causing a coal shortage in China?
Part of the reason, while also having reduced local coal production. However, the party does also claim to want to improve the air quality, which means using less coal.
 
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Well most threads about China has turned out this way and not many got locked. Just enjoy the fireworks
Let me throw some gasoline on it — I’m a marxist and think that all of these critiques of China are weak and off-base (while personally having almost nothing nice to say about the country)

I know Swede is… “uniquely” anti-China (love you), but China actually plans on increasing coal power plants until 2030, at which point they’ll allegedly increase nuclear power capacity 58-fold by 2050 (totally possible given how quick it is to build a nuclear power plant /s)

Just a lot of uninformed, ahistorical nonsense here, much like the other threads on the country
 
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they can consider renewable energies (e.g wind farms, solar farms, bio-fuel etc) but I guess that's something they'll never do coz they love polluting everything like how they pollute their own lands for profit.
 
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Chinas about as communist at this point as a frickin' KFC. They are pretty much capitalism full on just like the USA but have an authoritarian government. The economy is full on open market at this point. A lot of countries in Africa are in that exact same boat yes, but they also have widespread governmental instability. There is your answer.

As for India, I honestly don't know.
Not correct..

Note that China has a "Negative List of Market Access Restricted: Sector-wise items" which is known as CCP's protectionist list.

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China Negative List 2020

Category 1: Agriculture, forestry, animal husbandry, fisheries
1. The proportion of Chinese companies in the selection and seed production of new varieties of wheat should not be less than 34%. Chinese companies must have a controlling stake in the selection and seed production of new varieties of corn.

2. Investment in the development, breeding, cultivation, and production of related reproductive materials (including the good genes of the cultivation, animal husbandry, and aquaculture industries) of rare and unique Chinese varieties is prohibited.

3. It is prohibited to invest in the selection and breeding of genetically modified varieties of crops, livestock and poultry, and the production of genetically modified seeds (seedlings).

4. It is forbidden to invest in the fishing of aquatic products in the sea areas under China’s jurisdiction and inland waters.


Category 2: Mining
5. Investment in rare earth, radioactive minerals, tungsten exploration, mining, and mineral processing is prohibited.

Category 3: Manufacturing
6. Chinese companies must have a controlling stake in the publishing & printing industry.

7. It is prohibited to invest in the application of traditional Chinese medicinal decoction pieces, such as steaming, frying, roasting and calcining, etc. It is prohibited to invest in the production of traditional Chinese medicine confidential prescription products.

8. The Chinese share of vehicle manufacturing companies should not be less not than 50%, except for the special and new energy vehicles, commercial vehicles. (In 2022 the restriction of foreign share ratio in passenger car manufacturing and the restriction of the same foreign company can establish two or fewer joint ventures in China to produce similar vehicle products will be removed.)

9. It is prohibited to invest in satellite TV broadcast ground receiving facilities and key parts production.

Category 4: Electricity, heat, gas and water production and supply
10. Chinese companies must have a controlling stake in the construction and operation of nuclear power plants.

Category 5: Wholesale and retail
11. It is prohibited to invest in the wholesale and retail of tobacco leaves, cigarettes, re-baked tobacco leaves, and other tobacco products.

Category 6: Transport, warehousing, and postal services
12. It is required that Chinese companies have a controlling stake in domestic water transport.

13. Chinese public air transport enterprises shall be controlled by the Chinese side and if the proportion of investment by a foreign investor and its affiliated enterprises shall not exceed 25%, the legal representative shall be a Chinese citizen. The legal representative of General airlines must be a Chinese citizen, of which agriculture, forestry, and fisheries airlines shall be limited to joint ventures and other general-purpose airlines shall be limited to Chinese holdings.

14. Chinese companies must have a controlling stake in the construction and operation of civil airports.

15. It is prohibited to invest in the domestic express services provided by postal companies (and to operate postal services) and letters.

Category 7: Information transmission, software, and information technology services
16. Pursuant to China’s commitment to open the telecommunication sector to foreign investment, companies may have a value-added telecommunications business with no more than 50% of the shares belonging to foreign companies (except e-commerce, domestic multi-party communications, storage and forwarding categories, call centers). The basic telecommunications business must be controlled by the Chinese partner.

17. It is prohibited to invest in Internet news information services, internet publishing services, network audio-visual program services, Internet cultural operation (except music), and Internet public information services (except for the contents already opened in China’s WTO accession commitments).

Category 8: Leasing and business services
18. It is prohibited to invest in Chinese legal affairs (except for information on the environmental impact of Chinese law), it is prohibited to be partners of domestic law firms.

19. Market research is limited to joint ventures company, and involving radio and television listening and viewing surveys is limited to joint ventures in which the Chinese company owns a controlling stake.

20. Investment in social surveys is prohibited.

Category 9: Scientific research and technology services
21. Investment in human stem cells, gene diagnosis, and therapeutic technology development and application are prohibited.

22. Investment in humanities and social science research institutions is prohibited.

23. It is prohibited to invest in geodesy, marine mapping, surveying and aerial photography, ground movement surveys, administrative area boundary mapping, topographic maps, maps of world political areas, maps of national political areas, maps of provincial and below political areas, national teaching maps, local teaching maps, true 3D maps and navigational electronic maps, regional geological mapping, mineral geology, geophysics, geochemistry, hydrogeology, environmental geology, geological disasters, remote sensing geology, etc. (Mining owner which working within the scope of mining rights is not restricted by this special management measure.)

Category 10: Education
24. Pre-school, ordinary high schools, and higher education institutions are limited to Sino-foreign cooperative running of schools and shall be controlled by the Chinese side (the principal or principal administrative officer shall have Chinese nationality and live in China. Board members should be Chinese, and the board of directors or joint management committee shall not have a ratio of less than 1/2.

25. Investment in compulsory education institutions and religious educational institutions is prohibited.


Category 11: Health and social work
26. Medical institutions are limited to joint ventures and cooperation.

Category 12: Culture, sports, and entertainment
27. Investment in news organizations (including but not limited to news agencies) is prohibited.

28. Investment in the editing, publication, and production of books, newspapers, periodicals, audio-visual products, and electronic publications is prohibited.

29. It is prohibited to invest in radio stations, television stations, radio and television channels, radio and television transmission coverage networks, and related infrastructure(Launch station, relay station, radio, and television satellite, satellite uplink station, satellite receiving, and transferring station, microwave station, monitoring station, and cable radio and television transmission coverage network, etc.). It is prohibited to engage in radio and television video-on-demand services and to install services at satellite television broadcast ground receiving facilities.

30. It is prohibited to invest in the production and operation of radio and television programs (including the introduction of business) companies.

31. It is prohibited to invest in film production companies, distribution companies, cinema chains companies, and film introduction business.

32. Auction companies, cultural relics stores, and state-owned cultural relics museums prohibit investment in auctions of cultural relics.

33. Investment in performing arts groups is prohibited.

Well China own a lot of the mines in Africa too.
Distance has a cost associated with it.
 
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China also produced more steel in 10 years tuan the rest of history.

I get that people think “free markets = free,” but regulations exist IRL. China is more efficient than almost any country in the world; what’s more capitalistic than the most efficiency economy?
 
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...as China is trying to balance pollution vs. production,
Is this for real, China care about the environment? Why don't go with nuclear instead of coal or another alternatives like wind and solar farms?
 
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Note that China has a "Negative List of Market Access Restricted: Sector-wise items" which is known as CCP's protectionist list.
Since when did protectionism become communism?

If that's the case, Trumps recent tariffs are communist.

No, that's absurd.
 
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