I mean, unless you have a lot of money, I don't see why anyone would get anything other than a Vetroo V5 CPU cooler for $25 shipped. It literally beats a Noctua D15 in temps if you set a slightly aggressive fan profile... but even then its not all that bad sound wise. also it comes with extra bracket if you have a spare fan to do push/pull with. most people have an extra fan these days.
jayz2cents has it cooling a 5900x at like under 63 celsius... and that's stock, no fan curve... for $25 its literally insane how good it is. add in two fans in push/pull which is basically free to do, and add a slightly aggressive fan curve, and you are matching 360mm AIO $180 water coolers... again if you have a lot of money and want your build to look a certain way, by all means go all out, but I'm glad I spent the $25 on the V5. I might even talk my dad into upgrading his Ryzen gen 1 APU to a 5xxx series APU and replace stock cooler with the V5. would be a nice bump in performance for him, even though he really doesn't need it.
watch at 15 mins in: its actually a lower temp than an AIO water cooler... $25...
GN just took a look at that cooler, and ... well, there must have been something off with Jay's test setup. My guess (based on GN pointing out how easy this is) is a bad mount on the Fractal AIO used for comparison.
Tl;dw: the Vetroo fails at 200W noise normalized (expected with a 150W rating, so no issue there), barely scrapes by at 200W at full fan speed (but is noisy), falls way behind at 125W noise normalized, is 3rd worst at 125W 100% fan, but does quite admirably at a 65W load, just two degrees behind the Noctua NH-U12S Redux. Definitely nowhere close to beating a 240mm AIO though.
The "Block" of the setup are the heatspreaders on the sticks themselves so you can think of it as a CPU with it's waterblock permenantly attached, all you have to do is hook up the hoses/tubing.
And I just finished sealing up the sticks, no leaks from the system itself but the sticks were a different story - Leaks everywhere.
Nothing a liberal application of some Form-A-Gasket coudn't fix.
That's why for the application test I did have them on the board but no power was applied and even has the PSU unplugged and unhooked from it, that way any leaks woudn't do any harm to the system or even me.
It has to be tested in the situation it's going to run in at first for such issues to see if "Where it is" will cause any problems. This way I'll catch those, deal with them and try again which I will be doing shortly to see if all the leaks are now sealed.
Did you make your own RAM water blocks? That's pretty neat, but is there any particular reason you didn't go for one of the off-the-shelf options available?
Then don't come and try to make mainstream arguments when people use water coolers to make them perfect. You are really in conflict, but try to project it. Which won't work when you cannot hide the flaw in your overconfidence in contrast with your incompetence. Either be good, or don't try to argue people out of making good points.
Damn, man, way to go on the offensive when people criticize your arguments. How about actually presenting some actual on-topic arguments instead? This is just a list of insults and attempts at dodning criticism.
Not when it comes to thermodynamics, then it is as clear as 1-2-3. It is all rationally ordinal, to the unfortunate dismay of yours.
Sorry, but thermodynamics is
extremely messy. There's a reason literally every company doing something where this is relevant has engineers dedicated to thermal modelling, and spend huge resources on things like computational flow dynamics modelling. Thermodynamics in a real-world setting is
extremely complex, as there are far, far too many variables in play in any given scenario. Sure, for some things you can eliminate variables to such a degree that you can get all the way back to applying the base equations to find your answers. But in most cases? Not even close.
Still haven't managed to hide the facts. You aren't the sample size, quit making self references.
Which facts? What am I hiding? I'm just saying that your ridiculously unrealistic scenarios are completely irrelevant to a discussion of PC cooling. You're doing nothing but moving the goal posts every time your arguments are countered, going further and further into the realm of absurdity. Here's a rough summary of our discussion so far:
Me: My CPU runs at 80°, and I have a water loop.
You: 80° loop temperatures will kill your system
Me: I never said my loop was 80°, but that my CPU is.
You: But with an 80° CPU you can have 78.9° fluid
Me+others: eh ... that's not going to happen, the radiator will cool the fluid down, and you don't have perfect thermal transfer from your CPU to your liuqid.
You: but you can insulate your cooling system!
The entire world: ????
You: If you insulate your PC from the outside world you can eliminate all annoying variables, and thus we're back to thermodynamics.
Us: ... but PCs aren't insulated? They tend to be in rooms that are well below 80°C. How is this relevant?
You: You don't understand science!
And that's where we are right now.
I mean, it's pretty obvious that you, instead of just admitting that you misread the initial statement, have been working very, very hard at shifting the goal posts further and further in order to avoid admitting that you made an incredibly small and inconsequential mistake. Instead of saying "oops, I misread that, lol", you've been digging yourself ever further into a hole of implausible (and impossible) scenarios in order to prove that the thing you said was somehow actually right all along (despite the fact that it never was, and indeed never was applicable to the thing you responded to in the first place). It's clear that you're so invested in never, ever admitting even the smallest mistake that you're willing to follow this whereever it goes. The problem is, people here will keep calling you out on your nonsense. I suggest you take a step back and reconsider your plan going forward.
At this point you're arguing that there is such a thing as a CPU block with perfect thermal transfer (which conveniently sidesteps things like materials science, surface area, thermal density of the CPU, and more - in other words, there is no such thing, there
can't be, because of physics), and that there are somehow conditions in which you could maintain a 78.9-degree liquid temperature with an 80-degree CPU (but conveniently forgetting that the entire premise for this discussion is that this is supposed to be about cooling actual, working PCs - in which case said scenario would be impossible).
Hi,
100ml is hair more than a shot glass though so that can't be right lol
Last I checked shot glasses are 40ml? So 100ml is 2.5 shot glasses
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