Windows 11 General Discussion

[RJARRRPCGP]

That's VA on my Samsung IIRC

But on the topic, there seems to be an update coming which fixes the AMD performance issues

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

Microsoft on October 12 put out the first Cumulative Updates for the new Windows 11 operating system, since its October 5 release. The company's monthly update packages for Windows are unofficially dubbed "patch Tuesday" updates, as they're scheduled to come out on the second Tuesday of each...

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Mea maxima culpa!

 

[Space Lynx]

The "up to" 15% performance loss on the stable builds due to bad l3 cache scheduler crap on Ryzen (and only Ryzen). There was a news article on it. Dev branch already has a fix, but it has yet to be backported to stable.

news article this morning said the tuesday patch made amd even worse for win 11. lol.

 

[R-T-B]

news article this morning said the tuesday patch made amd even worse for win 11. lol.

Yeah, just saw that. What on earth...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ok folks, manual updates still work for Win11 installs that use the bypass. Tested earlier today and it was a success.

 

[Mussels]

The trick with TVs is not doing a resolution, but doing it with full chroma data. Many cheaper ones don't, and most require a special mode.

Oh god, you're right there

Sometimes the Nvidia/AMD defaults are wrong
Sometimes the TV only works with this on one HDMI port
Sometimes the TV has a hidden, badly named setting to enable 4:4:4 and/or RGB

And every TV i find, it's all bloody 3

What issues?

Windows 11 goes nom nom nom on ryzen L3 cache performance. Actual impact is lower than expected, worst case 15% in games. New patch made it even worse again, somehow.

That said even with an affected CPU... i just don't notice it? I'm not seeing stutters or low FPS here, even in heavy DX11/12/vulkan gaming, and lightgweight DX9 gaming (rimworld is a single threaded whooooore)

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 11 goes nom nom nom on ryzen L3 cache performance. Actual impact is lower than expected, worst case 15% in games. New patch made it even worse again, somehow.

I've actually been reading up on this problem since that post. What I discovered is detailed below;
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...se-amd-puts-out-fix-dates.287786/post-4626594

That said even with an affected CPU... i just don't notice it? I'm not seeing stutters or low FPS here, even in heavy DX11/12/vulkan gaming, and lightgweight DX9 gaming (rimworld is a single threaded whooooore)

Not every program/app/game is affected and the ones that are do not see a drastic difference.

 

[Mussels]

I've actually been reading up on this problem since that post. What I discovered is detailed below;
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...se-amd-puts-out-fix-dates.287786/post-4626594


Not every program/app/game is affected and the ones that are do not see a drastic difference.

well, over triple the latency in L3 cache sounds like it should be devastating, but it seems to not be for some reason.

Maybe it is one of those security patches, and only specific workloads trigger it?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe it is one of those security patches

Not from what I understand. It seems to be a specific set of instructions the Windows Kernel is asking the CPU to process in a specific set of ways and Ryzen CPUs are not executing those instructions properly, which seems to force the scheduler to reset part of the instruction pipeline that interacts with the L3 of Ryzen based CPU's.

and only specific workloads trigger it?

This is true though. Only certain workloads seem to be affected.

 

[Stefan Zwaneveld]

Updated my unsupported laptop (fifth gen cpu) with Windows 11 184 beta installed to 22000.258 without any problems.
Thought it wouldn't do that, but it did without a hitch..

 

[lexluthermiester]

Updated my unsupported laptop (fifth gen cpu) with Windows 11 184 beta installed to 22000.258 without any problems.
Thought it wouldn't do that, but it did without a hitch..

Nice. I hadn't test whether one of the beta builds would update successfully to the final build. Glad it worked for you.

 

[Space Lynx]

I know a lot of you probably never get to experience this part of Windows, but I have a touchscreen laptop for work, and I love this feature of clicking boxes. I know most just highlight or hold down the ctrl button then click, when you want to delete or copy certain files.

@W1zzard Thought you might find this interesting since you probably never get to see the touchscreen features of windows with your professional setup.

The checkboxes though is just an easy and lazy way to do it, quite handy. Even on non-touchscreen use cases I find it comes in handy. Especially when holding and dragging an area you want to copy and paste is not possible because the files you want are separated by other files, etc. Again you can just hold down ctrl and click, but this is the lazy way. lol

There is a little white box next to each file as seen by the white box to the left of Name in the below picture.

 

[Flanker]

I know a lot of you probably never get to experience this part of Windows, but I have a touchscreen laptop for work, and I love this feature of clicking boxes. I know most just highlight or hold down the ctrl button then click, when you want to delete or copy certain files.

@W1zzard Thought you might find this interesting since you probably never get to see the touchscreen features of windows with your professional setup.

The checkboxes though is just an easy and lazy way to do it, quite handy. Even on non-touchscreen use cases I find it comes in handy. Especially when holding and dragging an area you want to copy and paste is not possible because the files you want are separated by other files, etc. Again you can just hold down ctrl and click, but this is the lazy way. lol

There is a little white box next to each file as seen by the white box to the left of Name in the below picture.

That's already in W10. Or am I missing something lol

 

[Space Lynx]

That's already in W10. Or am I missing something lol

the little white boxes show up for you automatically in win 10? I was under the impression they only showed up for people that have touchscreens. I am well aware its in Win 10 and Win 11, I am pointing out the fact a lot of Win 10 and 11 users may have never experienced this because it is not on non-touchscreen screens. hence why I specifically referenced W1zz's setup as professional because I know he uses a 16:10 factor ratio monitor 2560x1600 which is 99.99% chance not touchscreen.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's already in W10. Or am I missing something lol

I think you're right.

the little white boxes show up for you automatically in win 10?

I think it's setting you have to enable. Can't remember where that setting is..

 

[Chomiq]

It does not. Been reading up on the problem. It is purely a Ryzen issue.

I think they are more afraid of somehow magically f*cking up something for Intel two days before launch. Intel would not be happy about it.

 

[Flanker]

the little white boxes show up for you automatically in win 10? I was under the impression they only showed up for people that have touchscreens. I am well aware its in Win 10 and Win 11, I am pointing out the fact a lot of Win 10 and 11 users may have never experienced this because it is not on non-touchscreen screens. hence why I specifically referenced W1zz's setup as professional because I know he uses a 16:10 factor ratio monitor 2560x1600 which is 99.99% chance not touchscreen.

Ooh I see.
For my computer I enable it here

 

[Space Lynx]

Ooh I see.
For my computer I enable it here
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yeah I figured anyone can enable it, but it is enabled by default on touchscreens, so most people will probably never even consider it or use it. I just thought it was neat and wanted to share since I find myself using it often (specifically for my job).

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think they are more afraid of somehow magically f*cking up something for Intel two days before launch. Intel would not be happy about it.

Possible. On the other hand they have AMD who is unhappy ATM. In the end, the reality is, they needed to do more testing. However, as many have pointed out, the performance problems are minor and will not kill anyone's computing experience. They'll get it fixed.

 

[Kovoet]

With my specs that I have I declined the offer to update for now till they sort it out. I love the layout as I updated my wife's laptop and like it a lot. But rig can wait.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
You boys and girls might want to double check your update settings
I noticed mine were set on sending and receiving updates to/ from the internet not just my local network like 10 defaults to.

MS activating it's torrent abilities so their servers aren't overwhelmed.

 

[AAF Optimus]

Hi,
You boys and girls might want to double check your update settings
I noticed mine were set on sending and receiving updates to/ from the internet not just my local network like 10 defaults to.

MS activating it's torrent abilities so their servers aren't overwhelmed.

"Delivery Optimization", according to them (M$)

 

[FireFox]

Hi,
You boys and girls might want to double check your update settings
I noticed mine were set on sending and receiving updates to/ from the internet not just my local network like 10 defaults to.

MS activating it's torrent abilities so their servers aren't overwhelmed.

This?

 

[Space Lynx]

Can someone tell me why the year is almost 2022 and M$ still hasn't figured out how to use the internet to automatically adjust date/time/time zone correctly on a clean install of Windows...

I know there is a reason, I have heard it before, but seriously... you are telling me a mega corp can't figure out a simple time sync based on your IP which they are undoubtedly scooping up loads and load of telemetry from you anyway... I just don't get it. Profit off the patterns from every click I make, but you can't figure out a way to get the time to sync... mmk. lol

 

[windwhirl]

M$ still hasn't figured out how to use the internet to automatically adjust date/time/time zone correctly on a clean install of Windows...

... Is it so hard to configure a timezone?

Actually, are you using Linux on that machine? Windows uses local time while Linux tends to use UTC.

 

[Space Lynx]

... Is it so hard to configure a timezone?

Actually, are you using Linux on that machine? Windows uses local time while Linux tends to use UTC.

It's not hard at all. I just find it odd, considering how advanced tech has become over the years.

no I use win 11 on my work laptop. which is win only.