[EOL] Arctic MX-5 is here!!Tests incoming! Completed. Now its MX-6 testing time!

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
Yeah where did wd-40 come from lol

But maybe add this to the op for peoples wondering interests of other thermal pastes

The Official Thermal Interface Material thread

No need for another single thread, let's use this for questions and suggestions. :)

www.techpowerup.com

I just didn't think mx-5 wasn't all that special from nt-h1 which I've never had an issue with and never saw any pump out effects and 9940x/ 10900k were pushed lol

Seems to me the only way to avoid pump-out is to have the paste solidify.

I have seen no evidence of "pump-out effect" from MX-5.

 

[yotano211]

Is this for your notebook? Then I'm not surprised.

Yea it was for a notebook that I had and any in the future. I use it on the gpu, the cpu is liquid metal.

 

[Borc]

Ok as expected. MX-4 and MX-5 are bad for a notebook, a thicker paste is better suited for a notebook.

 

[lexluthermiester]

MX-4 and MX-5 are bad for a notebook

Nonsense. I've got MX-5 on all three of my laptops and they perform as expected.

 

[maxfly]

Nonsense. I've got MX-5 on all three of my laptops and they perform as expected.

Agreed, I put mx-4 on my laptops cpu the day it was delivered. That was 3 years ago. Temps haven't changed a single degree. I wouldn't hesitate to use mx-5 on my own or client laptops in the future knowing its predecessors reliability.

In regards to pump out, my reference was to the small amount of paste that inevitably gets pushed to the edges of the ihs/die after the initial mount. Ive never had any paste continue to pump itself off of the ihs/die over time(Im not saying it isn't possible under the right circumstances, nor am i disputing anyone elses claims). Which in my experience is inevitable unless you can miraculously apply the perfect amount of tim. Even on rigs that have been in service for several years, that saw higher than what i would consider normal temperatures.

 

[ThrashZone]

I have seen no evidence of "pump-out effect" from MX-5.

Hi,
I was talking about nt-h1 that I've never noticed any pump out
MX-5 seems as wet as nt-h2
nt-h2 seemed it dried pretty quick and tough to get nt-h2 residue off mx-5 came off easy.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
I was talking about nt-h1 that I've never noticed any pump out
MX-5 seems as wet as nt-h2
nt-h2 seemed it dried pretty quick and tough to get nt-h2 residue off mx-5 came off easy.

Ah fair enough, misunderstood you.

 

[ThrashZone]

Ah fair enough, misunderstood you.

Hi,
You find in weird how easy mx-4 and now 5 come off ?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not really. MX-5 does not come off easily. It takes some effort to clean it. MX-4 was easier, but still took some effort.

 

[Borc]

Nonsense. I've got MX-5 on all three of my laptops and they perform as expected.

I have very poor results on my notebook with both MX-5 and MX-4 and you should have noticed others are not happy with it.

In my laptop lenovo t420 that is very hot generally, with arctic mx-5 after 20 days i had 90C (and under the heatsink the paste was watery) i replaced it with deepcool g40 and the results after 20 days is 79C.
Its seems at least for me that mx-5 is better from mx-4, but for small bare dies is not good enough.

I have mx4, I don't like it. Sucks that I bought the largest tube.

Yea it was for a notebook that I had and any in the future. I use it on the gpu, the cpu is liquid metal.

It's widely known that a watery paste like MX-5 or MX-4 is a bad choice for a notebook. You might be lucky to have a superb heatsink (for a laptop standard) or you didn't try a higher end thick paste and you can't know, however using MX-5 will always be a risk with a notebook, therefore this paste is not recommended for notebooks. It's not even specific to MX-4 or MX-5, it's more or less the same with other watery pastes as well. There is no risk with a thick paste, it will work much much better if the heatsink isn't perfect.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have very poor results on my notebook with both MX-5 and MX-4 and you should have noticed others are not happy with it.

And that could be due to with a number of factors that have nothing to do with the MX-5 TIM itself. I run a PC shop and we use MX-5 exclusively at this time. We have installed it on over 1500 systems at this point and have had zero problems with it. No pump-out or bleed-out, no examples of poor performance, no problems whatsoever.

It's widely known that a watery paste like MX-5 or MX-4 is a bad choice for a notebook.

Except that neither of those TIM's are "watery". MX-5 especially is very sticky and viscus.

You might be lucky to have a superb heatsink (for a laptop standard) or you didn't try a higher end thick paste and you can't know, however using MX-5 will always be a risk with a notebook, therefore this paste is not recommended for notebooks.

I think it's entirely more likely that the few people that have had problems are experiencing issues not related to the TIM itself.

 

[Borc]

And that could be due to with a number of factors that have nothing to do with the MX-5 TIM itself.

It is 100% thermal paste related.

I run a PC shop and we use MX-5 exclusively at this time. We have installed it on over 1500 systems at this point and have had zero problems with it. No pump-out or bleed-out, no examples of poor performance, no problems whatsoever.

Except that neither of those TIM's are "watery". MX-5 especially is very sticky and viscus.

I think it's entirely more likely that the few people that have had problems are experiencing issues not related to the TIM itself.

You repeatedly telling me there is no problem for you, how do you know this? Did you try other higher end thicker pastes and what paste exactly? Of course I cannot rule out there are a number of notebooks where a thinner paste like MX-5 works as good as a thicker one, some will do just fine, but no chance it's the same for 1500 devices (all of them laptops or what devices exactly?). For sure you did use a subpar paste for many of these 1500 devices assuming many of them are laptops, many many of these would work much better with a thicker paste, you can be sure about it. It seems like you don't have a proper comparison and can't know and because you are obviously a big MX-5 and supporter and user you cannot accept any criticism towards MX-5. You cannot even accept that MX-5 is a watery paste. It's not the most watery in the world but it's definitely not thick enough to handle uneven low pressure heatsinks. Compared to all the better laptop stuff it is watery. Did you even try a thick paste for once?

 

[Shrek]

Except that neither of those TIM's are "watery". MX-5 especially is very sticky and viscus.

That would explain it
"Thermal greases with higher viscosities are typically more resistant to pump out effects on lidless processors."

 

[lexluthermiester]

That would explain it
"Thermal greases with higher viscosities are typically more resistant to pump out effects on lidless processors."

If you're talking about section 2.1.4 on page 10, then yes, very likely. Of course this was an advisory document from 2004 based on studies AMD did in 2002/2003. While the conclusions and information in that document are still valid, modern TIMs that are well formulated and engineered simply do not exhibit the same effects of TIMs from that time.

 

[Space Lynx]

As I read the back and forth here, I like to imagine an actual Arctic employee coming across this thread someday and just thinking to themselves... holy crap

 

[ThrashZone]

As I read the back and forth here, I like to imagine an actual Arctic employee coming across this thread someday and just thinking to themselves... holy crap

Hi,
Holy Alien baby crap !

 

[Space Lynx]

Hi,
Holy Alien baby crap !

took me 5 seconds or so and reading that twice to realize what you meant lol

 

[eidairaman1]

In the end mx2, mx4, mx5 are good OEM compounds. I've yet to try Gelid, Cooler Master, Kryonaut.

I swore by AS5 due to using it on bga ram on a M18 GPU.

 

[Shrek]

We have installed it on over 1500 systems at this point and have had zero problems with it.

That is a lot of computers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That is a lot of computers.

That number includes new builds, upgrades and repair jobs that come in. We've had a busy summer and back to school season.

 

[Athlonite]

In the end mx2, mx4, mx5 are good OEM compounds. I've yet to try Gelid, Cooler Master, Kryonaut.

I swore by AS5 due to using it on bga ram on a M18 GPU.

I used to swear by AS5 aswell but now use Cooler Master Master Gel Pro only because I couldn't find any Maker here in Gougelandastan but seems to work pretty well and it's not honkingly expensive like some TP's are here and is easily spread hasn't dried out yet after 6 months and is super easy to clean off with meths or alcohol or shellite (lighter fuel)

 

[Mussels]

That number includes new builds, upgrades and repair jobs that come in. We've had a busy summer and back to school season.

The only thing you didnt state, was what type of systems

desktops, laptops, AIO's etc

 

[yotano211]

I have very poor results on my notebook with both MX-5 and MX-4 and you should have noticed others are not happy with it.







It's widely known that a watery paste like MX-5 or MX-4 is a bad choice for a notebook. You might be lucky to have a superb heatsink (for a laptop standard) or you didn't try a higher end thick paste and you can't know, however using MX-5 will always be a risk with a notebook, therefore this paste is not recommended for notebooks. It's not even specific to MX-4 or MX-5, it's more or less the same with other watery pastes as well. There is no risk with a thick paste, it will work much much better if the heatsink isn't perfect.

It works good enough for the laptop I currently use. I mostly use the processor more often. I've had bad luck using mx4 on the cpu. I've had great results with gelid extreme on the cpu on laptops.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The only thing you didnt state, was what type of systems

desktops, laptops, AIO's etc

LOL! Yes. Hell we work on game systems too.

 

[Space Lynx]

LOL! Yes. Hell we work on game systems too.

You should def advertise console cleaning. I feel like there is a big market for that. Lot of people, including myself, simply don't have the confidence to take apart a console to do a proper cleaning and re-paste. I can do a laptop or PC all day long, but that proprietary bs on lot of the consoles really is risky, but everything gets dusty and needs cleaned sometimes.