Intel Core i7-12700K and Core i9-12900K Pricing Leaks

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

A $50 price increase is nothing.

And once we see what DDR5 is going to cost anyone doing a new build with ADL-S will be the ones paying for it.

Agreed, especially considering the Performance uplift between Zen2 and Zen3, can someone else name a situation where Intel or AMD achieved a similar performance uplift between generations that resulted in being the best, and a price increase DIDN'T occur? I say this, because unless you can point to historical precedent to demonstrate that $50 increase was unfair/out of nowhere, I really don't think there's a justifiable reason to complain....other than just not wanting to pay more, which everyone is entitled to complain about as long as they're admitting to it

TPU posts it every 3-5 days.


Who knows if the v-cache will make it to zen 4.

Why wouldn't an amazing new feature that can obviously be taped on an already completed architecture not be added to zen4? I'm honestly asking

 

[thesmokingman]

Well, preliminary reports list Zen4 IPC increase at 29%, including reporting on this very website....add into that 5nm benefits, v-cache and we might easily be seeing a 35%+ core for core performance uplift with Zen4...on another note, does someone seriously declare the complete downfall of AMD based on one rumored pricing article? I'm honestly asking

Clowns?

 

[yotano211]

Agreed, especially considering the Performance uplift between Zen2 and Zen3, can someone else name a situation where Intel or AMD achieved a similar performance uplift between generations that resulted in being the best, and a price increase DIDN'T occur? I say this, because unless you can point to historical precedent to demonstrate that $50 increase was unfair/out of nowhere, I really don't think there's a justifiable reason to complain....other than just not wanting to pay more, which everyone is entitled to complain about as long as they're admitting to it


Why wouldn't an amazing new feature that can obviously be taped on an already completed architecture not be added to zen4? I'm honestly asking

I dont know, I'm only a truck driver. I dont design CPUs for a living. It would be cool if they did.
Look at intel broadwell with their L4 cache, it wasn't transferred to the next generation.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well, preliminary reports list Zen4 IPC increase at 29%, including reporting on this very website....add into that 5nm benefits, v-cache and we might easily be seeing a 35%+ core for core performance uplift with Zen4...on another note, does someone seriously declare the complete downfall of AMD based on one rumored pricing article? I'm honestly asking

If They aid 29% ,why would I add anything though, they said 29% and you think they didn't consider all that, for me the question is better than what, a vcache 5800x or Normal one.
Regardless ,I will await reviews before I continue to sit here doing nothing about them.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well, preliminary reports list Zen4 IPC increase at 29%, including reporting on this very website....add into that 5nm benefits, v-cache and we might easily be seeing a 35%+ core for core performance uplift with Zen4...on another note, does someone seriously declare the complete downfall of AMD based on one rumored pricing article? I'm honestly asking

TPU merely regurgitated a report from someone known as "ChipsAndCheese". It's pretty early to be making those kinds of claims. And great if it does perform that well, but what will any normal person use it for? Personally my next PC is likely to be a laptop, it's the only way to get a decent GPU without getting raped at the checkout stand.

 

[Wirko]

Why wouldn't an amazing new feature that can obviously be taped on an already completed architecture not be added to zen4? I'm honestly asking

My take: yes, we're going to see that. If AMD's engineers are ingenious enough, they will reuse the same "6nm" cache die. It won't come cheap though, there's an additional 36 mm2 die for each CCD and the bonding process is complicated.

 

[Bomby569]

I don't look back two years for comparitve info, simple maths if the core's stay on the shop shelf the price Will drop, simple.
Same if Intel regain multi and single core performance crown they Will get more expensive, just from a higher low point apparently.

That 12400 better be cheap because this I7-9 pricing looks a bit ass to me.

it was launch price, nothing to do with shelf price, or i missed your point.

And remenber shortages, not like AMD cares because nothing to stay in shelfs anyway probably

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

it was launch price, nothing to do with shelf price, or i missed your point.

And remenber shortages, not like AMD cares because nothing to stay in shelfs anyway probably

Have you bought a pc lately, all parts are largely Available some aren't too overpriced, GPUs are scrace at cheap prices.

Who forgot shortages, prebuilts never for a moment lacked GPUS.
There's no shortage of CPUs just some CPUs

 

[ThrashZone]

it was launch price, nothing to do with shelf price, or i missed your point.

And remenber shortages, not like AMD cares because nothing to stay in shelfs anyway probably

Hi,
AMD on most of the high core counts have been overpriced but amd especially powercolor gpu's are crazy priced and neither moving local micro center has a bunch of both.

 

[Bomby569]

There's no shortage of CPUs just some CPUs

This was insanely confusing

But i guess you meant there aren't any shortage of CPU's, but this is a launch, there were lots of shortages of CPU's at launch lately. AMD and Intel (less).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This was insanely confusing

But i guess you meant there aren't any shortage of CPU's, but this is a launch, there were lots of shortages of CPU's at launch lately. AMD and Intel (less).

I meant some SKUs were short but I have bought a few during the shortages and kept one eye on store's, they always had CPUs, not always the one you wanted but in reality they usually had those too, saved for in-house prebuilts.

 

[AlwaysHope]

I'm interested in what prices Aussie retailers put on these new chips & the boards to go with them. I've been postponing upgrading my gaming system for quite some time now waiting to see what Alder lake brings to the table. Being bored with AM4 for a while now... gimme some new toys!!!
Though, think I'll wait for reviews & analysis before jumping boat.

 

[ACE76]

This is Intel not AMD. AMD only had 1M Zen 3 desktop chips when Zen 3 launched, which is why the scalpers took control for ~6 months. My guess is this will look like any other Intel launch, the first batch will last about a week then get scarce, and within 6 weeks there will be plenty of supply at MSRP.

On the performance side, I'm not real enthused about having to upgrade to Win 11 to get the benefit. It makes getting anything above a 12400 kind of dubious if you want to stay on Win 10 or don't want to spend $200 on the upgrade (Pro cost). A lot of DIY types will probably fail to note this and thus not factor it into the cost of the upgrade, but DIY is a tiny part of a small (desktop) market.

I really kind of rate this as both incremental in terms of performance (so Intel can beat 5900X now and jab at the 5950X), but an important step in getting things like big.LITTLE, PCIe 5.0, and DDR5 into the mainstream. Intel is moving fast now and Gelsinger is clearly willing to spend money to be #1 again. AMD will need to pull a rabbit out in 2022 with Zen 3+ and Zen 4 else face a repeat the FX days.

AMD has absolutely nothing to worry about. Vcache Zen3+ will easily compete with Alder Lake and Zen 4 will beat it handedly.

In actual nm facts..Alder lake is 7nm. Intel delayed their 7nm node sixteen months ago (for ~one year) to retool and improve yield. A little birdy told me initial ADL runs are on a replicated TSMC node and will shift back to Intel foundries once the optimized 7nm Intel node is ready to go. Meaning, initial ADL runs on Intel nodes have already begun. ARC runs will stay with TSMC for the foreseeable future per Intel's business strategy plans.

I don't know where you read such nonsense...yeah because TSMC would just happily give their fab IP away to a competitor, lol.

I hate to say it, but if serious reviews confirm the leaked performance, it’s a fair pricing.

Yeah the leaks are also saying the 12900k when tweaked runs power up to 330w. Double the power just to gain 5-10%? Yeah no thanks. If someone has a 3090, they would need a minimum of a 1000w PSU and a 1200w to play it safe with that type of setup.

 

[Makaveli]

Yeah the leaks are also saying the 12900k when tweaked runs power up to 330w. Double the power just to gain 5-10%? Yeah no thanks. If someone has a 3090, they would need a minimum of a 1000w PSU and a 1200w to play it safe with that type of setup.

Facts.

And not just a 3090 any of the highend cards with 300watt TDP's so 6800XT,6900XT,3080,3080TI,3090 and I believe there is an upcoming 3090TI that may do close to 400watts.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yeah the leaks are also saying the 12900k when tweaked runs power up to 330w. Double the power just to gain 5-10%? Yeah no thanks. If someone has a 3090, they would need a minimum of a 1000w PSU and a 1200w to play it safe with that type of setup.

Hi,
I'm all set psu wise only issue is bestbuy is the only supplier for nv cards every other gpu is silly priced lol

 

[Why_Me]

Hi,
I'm all set psu wise only issue is bestbuy is the only supplier for nv cards every other gpu is silly priced lol

Big psu's doesn't bother us Americans. Give us more power please!

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/chevrolet-most-powerful-v8-engine

 

[mechtech]

Intel needs to mark them up even more to exceed market forecasts for wall street. Can’t ever make less then a previous quarter, Wall Street doesn’t like that.

Big psu's doesn't bother us Americans. Give us more power please!

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/chevrolet-most-powerful-v8-engine

Lol. That’s a lot of cubes!!

 

[AlwaysHope]

Big psu's doesn't bother us Americans. Give us more power please!

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/chevrolet-most-powerful-v8-engine

Carburettor engine?
Looks like something out of the 1960s -70s!

Anyway getting off topic...
Is this the only year that Intel have/will release 2 different chipsets (Z590+Z690) for high end mainstream desktop systems?

 

[Why_Me]

Carburettor engine?
Looks like something out of the 1960s -70s!

Anyway getting off topic...
Is this the only year that Intel have/will release 2 different chipsets (Z590+Z690) for high end mainstream desktop systems?

I'm too poor for those builds. I'm curious to see the pricing on the B660 boards and locked cpu's tbh.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm too poor for those builds. I'm curious to see the pricing on the B660 boards and locked cpu's tbh.

Guessing it will be a 10-20% hike over last gen the biggest upside is ddr4 only most likely so memory will be cheap unless Alderlake requires high frequency low latency memory to shine.

It would be kinda funny though and not totally unsurprising if there are $300+ models with DDR5 support

The bigger issues and the same one Ryzen 5000 and Zen 3D face are terrible gpu pricing though.. unless all you want to do is run cpu benchmarks and watch youtube.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Guessing it will be a 10-20% hike over last gen the biggest upside is ddr4 only most likely so memory will be cheap unless Alderlake requires high frequency low latency memory to shine.

It would be kinda funny though and not totally unsurprising if their are $300+ models with DDR5 support

The bigger issues and the same one Ryzen 5000 and Zen 3D face are terrible gpu pricing though.. unless all you want to do is run cpu benchmarks and watch youtube.

And that's the crux of it isn't it? Unless you have or plan to spend big bucks on a 3080 or better, not likely to see any gaming improvement. And then there's that 1/3 of games that still likes the low latency of a high clocked Skylake based chip, which probably won't be helped by DDR5. I guess we will have someone talk about all the rendering they do or some such malarkey.

Now the laptop space, that might get real interesting. It is 85% of the client market, and big.LITTLE seems like it is meant for mobile to me. It'll be interesting to see what they can do with it on laptops.

 

[HD64G]

AL's Big.little arch will be best for mobile (the binned ones). Desktop CPUs will be the high leakage ones that will be pushed heavily for max clocks with ultra high power draw and thermals, just in order to compete Zen3.

 

[anachron]

I wish they had an 8+0. I don't think many DIY will want to stomach buying Win 11 ($200) on top of DDR5 + CPU + Motherboard.

Buying Win11 certainly does not cost 200$. Even if didn't had a w10 licence to upgrade for free, I could buy a perfectly working win 11 pro licence for 15€ on Amazon or even for 3€ on Rakuten.

Beside personal preferences of wanting to use it or not, i don't think Win11 will be an issue.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

So does this mean the 12900K will not be as fast as the 5950x? Perhaps the 12900K is not the top end model? I really hope this is not another BS launch like 11th gen series was...

 

[TheDeeGee]

No idea why people still have the hots for K models. There is little to no gain from an OC these days.

And a 65 Watt Non-K Model has the same gaming performance.

I guess you need a K model these days to belong to the cool club... i personally rather belong to the smart club.