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Interesting results with MX-5, meh... personally I'll stick with thermal grizzly range of TIMs.
No worries. And I feel you! This latest Intel CPU release has brought out the fanboying something fierce... What I don't get is the lack of objectivity. Why is it that people forget the idea's of merit and scientific thinking where it comes to product releases? That can easily apply to this thread too. Are people really that emotionally invested in brand loyalty that they forget how to think without bias?Ok, I'll admit that my take was overly cynical. All the arguing about AL must have me a bit edgy.
This is true. MX-5 is very gooey and sticky, which makes cleaning it off surfaces more of a task, but IMHO, the results are worth it, especially for the price.Its a bit more gummy and is hard to remove, but not by much.
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It's not that annoying. Clean up is just more involved. Not a real problem unless you're going to be swapping CPU's frequently..Ill look at it then, but the high viscosity might be annoying
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Are people really that emotionally invested in brand loyalty that they forget how to think without bias?
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Tried to read some and yeah, mixed bag. Also considering MX-4, NT-H2 and Gelid GC Extreme, whichever is cheaper i guess
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Some of this thread is for bare die applications (GPU, mobile CPU), so performance is going to look quite different for a lot of these pastes. MX-5 should be better than MX-4 there, but then again, I've never had a problem repasting my GPUs with MX-4.
On CPU however, I'd rule out MX-4 completely for modern or high end CPUs. The temp difference is kinda obvious, MX-4 sucks - tested it mainly against NT-H1 and NT-H2 on 4790K, 3700X, 5700G, 5900X. NT-H1 and NT-H2 seem to perform the same (maybe slight edge to NT-H2), I've tried SYY157 a few times and it's lost to the Noctuas by about 0.5-1C every time (also much harder to spread), it was hella cheap though. Havent tried MX-5 yet, have a big tube of NT-H1 and SYY157
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This tells me you've never used MX-5 as I have used both of those and the MX-5 is about the same viscosity if not a bit more.MX-5 works fine but if you want the best temps on ADL, or on a hot power guggling RTX 3090, you definitely want to consider Thermalright TFX for its higher viscosity
I'm not saying it doesn't perform well, because it does. However, I'm not willing to accept 3-4c difference without testing to show such because that is not what I experienced when I tested it.On both 10900k and RTX 1070 (laptop, modded), MX-5 was about 3-4C worse than Thermalright TFX.
No doubt. $20 for 2grams? Yeah stupid expensive. And when I tested it last, it performed well, but not $20 for 2g well.But TFX is freaking expensive.
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X |
Motherboard | MSI Mag B550M Mortar |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 rev4 w/ Ryzen offset mount |
Memory | G.SKill Ripjaws V 2x16GB DDR4 3600 |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 4070 12GB Dual |
Storage | WD Black SN850X 2TB Gen4, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB , 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD sata, |
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Mouse | Rog Strix Impact 3 Wireless | Wacom Intuos CTH-480 |
Keyboard | A4Tech B314 Keyboard |
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Noctua is more expensive here now so got the MX-5, will test it once it arrives.
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Item has arrived, tested it, and its around 3-4C worse than Kryonaut so far, maybe thats to be expected? Also, does this have burn in/curing time?
Weird.Item has arrived, tested it, and its around 3-4C worse than Kryonaut so far, maybe thats to be expected?
Nope, no curing or settling time.Also, does this have burn in/curing time?
If this is true, I'm wondering what the differences are between my testing and ViperXTR's operating environment. My tests showed that MX-5 beat out NT-H1 by 3C idle and load and if Kryonaut is on par, then there must be a variance somewhere.Tom's tested Kryonaut on par with NT-H1
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Memory | G.SKill Ripjaws V 2x16GB DDR4 3600 |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 4070 12GB Dual |
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Fair enough. I don't think MX-5 is ever going to become a solid material over time like many TIM's do.Im on a tropical environment, so my temps are warmer than most of you folks. With semi freshly applied Kryonaut, highest i got on a warm day running 1hr stress test was 82C (gets around 85C after few months, and Kryonaut becomes solid material like thing). For MX-5 i get around 83-85 on fresh application.
It only reaches these temps on extreme workloads like stress test, handbrake it does a bit but slightly lower. RPCS3 (PS3 emulator) is pretty much like a CPU stress test as well (on some heavy hitter games), it loads all your physical cores and extensive use of AVX2 (and it will use AVX512 if your CPU is capable)
This tells me you've never used MX-5 as I have used both of those and the MX-5 is about the same viscosity if not a bit more.
I'm not saying it doesn't perform well, because it does. However, I'm not willing to accept 3-4c difference without testing to show such because that is not what I experienced when I tested it.
No doubt. $20 for 2grams? Yeah stupid expensive. And when I tested it last, it performed well, but not $20 for 2g well.
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Processor | 7800X3D┃5800X3D |
Motherboard | B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact |
Cooling | NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67 |
Memory | 64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14 |
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I have *40 grams* of MX-5. As well as 150 grams of homemade Galinstan, among many others.
In my own specific tests, MX-5 is about 3-4C worse than TFX.
It wasn't an assumption. You said the following...You really shouldn't assume things about people that you know absolutely *nothing* about.
...which is not the experience I had, my experience is that MX-5 is the more viscous TIM.MX-5 works fine but if you want the best temps on ADL, or on a hot power guggling RTX 3090, you definitely want to consider Thermalright TFX for its higher viscosity
And I found a recent article at TH which compared TF4 to NT-H1 along with many others including MX-5. Tom's findings almost identically match mine in comparative temperature differential, NT-H1 VS MX-5. Courtesy of Toms Hardware, the images below show their results. One set of tests with a Noctua NT-D15 with low tension, another with the D15 and high tension and a third set with an Elite360 AIO;Tom's tested Kryonaut on par with NT-H1
Their NT-H2 review shows a similar result to Toms, thus giving their result credibility and merit. Their testing shows TFX falling behind both NT-H1 and NT-H2.It ranks third and forth in the two other tests, trailing behind Noctua NT-H1 and NT-H2 (its review here).
What technique do you use for spreading TFX and SYY157? I'm thinking of revisiting my SYY results - might be leaving some performance on the table by not manually spreading
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Thermalright TFX I simply yeet it Boil some water to "almost" boiling in a pot, remove the pot from stove, throw the TFX syringe in there for about 10 minutes, nozzle covered, drain the hot water, let it cool a few minutes, then spread the TFX with a spatula in even "long" strokes across the entire die. Works perfectly. If you have a hair dryer, that's a lot quicker and easier.
Hot air stations I know nothing about. I would assume they don't go as low as 80C on the lowest setting, so I'm not getting into that.
That being said, the TFX tube I have I didn't even need to heat the syringe when I applied a layer to my RTX 3090 FE after I re-did the thermal pads on that card. It was harder to spread than SYY without pre-heating but it worked fine. Some TFX tubes tend to be massively difficult. The 6.2g tubes seem to be a more consistent from apparent Amazon reviews than the 2g tubes are.
SYY-157 is much easier to spread as long as you don't get a dried out syringe. Just apply it and off you go. Use even, full strokes.
That Zezzio 14.8 w/mk thermal paste is identical 100% to SYY-157...it's the exact same paste.
FuzeIce Plus and Alseye T9+ Platinum both perform about the same as SYY-157, however they both seem to be a lot "stickier" than SYY-157. SYY-157 is sort of between FuzeIce Plus and TFX.
TFX performs the best (maybe about 1-2C better than SYY-157).
It wasn't an assumption. You said the following...
...which is not the experience I had, my experience is that MX-5 is the more viscous TIM.
I'm not saying that TFX does not perform well because it does, but $14 for 2G? That price/performance ratio is pathetic. Thermalright TFX is not worth that. But Arctic's MX-5 at $12 for 8G? Hell yeah.
Someone said this;
And I found a recent article at TH which compared TF4 to NT-H1 along with many others including MX-5. Tom's findings almost identically match mine in comparative temperature differential, NT-H1 VS MX-5. Courtesy of Toms Hardware, the images below show their results. One set of tests with a Noctua NT-D15 with low tension, another with the D15 and high tension and a third set with an Elite360 AIO;
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As you can see, with both sets of tests using the D15, the results are the same, MX-5 beating NT-H1 by about 3C and matching NT-H2. With the Elite360, all of the premium TIMs were on par with each other indicating that the AIO was more than able to handle the thermal load and heat saturation seemed to not be a factor in that test. The conclusion one can easily see is that MX-5 a top performer and stands nose to nose with far more expensive brands.
What I did find for TFX is the following;
Unboxing and Review of Thermalright TFX Thermal Compound | UnbxTech
www.unbxtech.com
Their NT-H2 review shows a similar result to Toms, thus giving their result credibility and merit. Their testing shows TFX falling behind both NT-H1 and NT-H2.
In both Toms tests and mine, MX-5 performs better than NT-H1. The conclusion is clear.
So if you're saying that TFX is doing better than MX-5, then there is something very hinky going on with your testing setup because the 3-4C better performance you claim TFX is getting does not match UnbxTech & Toms testing, nor mine. Add to this the fact that you claim TFX is more viscous than MX-5 and I have to raise an eyebrow, thus my above statement.
PS, Just in case anyone attempts to make the accusation, I did my testing in June. Toms did their testing last month. So no, I did not copy them. The fact that our comparative results match well only proves two things, 1. My testing methodology is spot on and valid, followed by 2. That MX-5 is one of the best performing TIMs on the market, handily beating out TIMs 3 or more times it's cost.
And you must think UnbxTech & I am too... Whatever.Tom's hardware is full of crap.
Yup..Take care.
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