Intel 12th Gen Core "Locked" Processors Arrive Mid-Jan, Possible Specs Surface

[Deleted member 215115]

Imagine posting on a tech site such as some of the posters who posted above your post that don't have a clue about running those locked cpu's with the power limits turned off in the bios even though TPU did a review on it with their review of the i5 11400F.

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Then trying to question other people's knowledge. You guys have become memes at this point. I'm just gonna stay out of Intel topics from now on cuz I feel my IQ dropping a few points already.

 

[docnorth]

too late, getting myself a 5800X build this black Friday for 10% less than a 12600KF one (decent Z690 MBs are expensive in this corner of the world)

Congrats, you probably got a good deal and an excellent CPU.

12600K is priced right where i live. But the cheapest Z690 mobo is about the price of a good Z590 or X570. When are cheap(er) B660 or similar boards expected ?

Good question, probably they will arrive with the non-K CPUs.

 

[Why_Me]

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Then trying to question other people's knowledge. You guys have become memes at this point. I'm just gonna stay out of Intel topics from now on cuz I feel my IQ dropping a few points already.

How much do you gain from overclocking these days and then figure in the extra cooling cost.

 

[owen10578]

they ought to drop this locked bullshit, we've gone 4 generations of zen without any restrictions, yet intel's still doing it

I agree. They have competition now, the locked crap just steers people to AMD at whatever price bracket someone is looking for a CPU at.

 

[The red spirit]

Imagine posting on a tech site such as some of the posters who posted above your post that don't have a clue about running those locked cpu's with the power limits turned off in the bios even though TPU did a review on it with their review of the i5 11400F.

Aye, also telling that to 10400F owner. I personally limit boost wattage. I have PL1 set to 72 watts and PL2 to 76 watts. There's also nuance with boost. My i5 is rated at 4.3 GHz boost, but it boosts to 4GHz on all cores. Intel doesn't disclose what is all core boost for any of their parts. i3 parts typically have quite low boost, since their base speed is relatively high. Also all locked parts usually perform well even with stock settings and that they are wattage limited, doesn't mean that they don't boost. Only that boost on all cores might not be sustainable. Locked parts often boost a lot in games, where they can reach high clock at low wattage (games apparently don't make CPU consume as many amps). Also same turbo boost technology performs differently on each CPU model, due to different maximum boost values, typical core load, core count and etc. Obviously maxing out boost wattage works as brute way to get more performance, but I think that turbo boost is more interesting if actually tweaked for performance/power usage balance. Intel chips tend to gain tons of efficiency, if they run just a bit bellow their maximum boost clock. You can get as much as 30% power usage reduction just by losing top 300 MHz. i9s can be very power efficient if their turbo boost is tweaked well. Way further from sensational media's reported 200-300 watts.

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Imagine not knowing anything about PL1, PL2 and Tau in 2021.

How much do you gain from overclocking these days and then figure in the extra cooling cost.

Also extra VRM cost, since you most likely don't want motherboard to die after 2 years.

 

[ViperXTR]

12600K is priced right where i live. But the cheapest Z690 mobo is about the price of a good Z590 or X570. When are cheap(er) B660 or similar boards expected ?

Lucky, 12600K is priced more than 400USD here (roughly similar to 5800X these days), and you are forced to buy the board with them as well, if their stock of boards is not your target then your out of luck hate these kind of stores.

 

[AlwaysHope]

I'm looking to upgrade some of my other PCs here atm, (caving into the win11 proposition... ) but very interested in seeing what B660 brings to the table & whether or not justified in $/performance with bottom end AL cpus.
There are some nice deals gong on in my part of the world with entry level Z590 (best connectivity options compared to B560 etc.. ) & RL i5's atm. The prices are practically match for match with these entry level Z590 boards & mid to high end B560's now.

 

[Wirko]

I'm looking to upgrade some of my other PCs here atm, (caving into the win11 proposition... ) but very interested in seeing what B660 brings to the table & whether or not justified in $/performance with bottom end AL cpus.
There are some nice deals gong on in my part of the world with entry level Z590 (best connectivity options compared to B560 etc.. ) & RL i5's atm. The prices are practically match for match with these entry level Z590 boards & mid to high end B560's now.

H670 too. I see people here often discuss the B660 but ignore the H, with better connectivity than the B (expected, at least).

 

[Lionheart]

Something I was afraid of happening, no E-cores on the 12600.

 

[The red spirit]

H670 too. I see people here often discuss the B660 but ignore the H, with better connectivity than the B (expected, at least).

I don't really ignore premium home chipset, it's just that it has been obscure since Sandy Bridge. There's almost never decent availability of boards with it. BTW B series chipsets were originally meant to be business chipsets (entry level). There are Q series, which are premium business chipsets. I haven't seen Q series chipset based board since Haswell.

Something I was afraid of happening, no E-cores on the 12600.

That's definitely a blow on their value, also really odd. Business tend to use locked chips and sometimes they need more cores, now they can't get locked chips with more cores, only gimped Alder Lake is available for them. I actually expected i3 with 4P-4E config and I though that i3 could become seriously good, but only 4C/8T config is offered and I would stay away from that in 2021. It seems that Intel is again at their "high core count is premium feature" shenanigans again. They need to have their ass whopped again by AMD to finally stop selling cores as premium feature. But AMD stopped being competitive at core count and is now selling very overpriced hexa and octa core chips. AMD became like old Intel and Intel is just being Intel again after being a a bit scared by Ryzen.

 

[RandallFlagg]

That's definitely a blow on their value, also really odd. Business tend to use locked chips and sometimes they need more cores, now they can't get locked chips with more cores, only gimped Alder Lake is available for them. I actually expected i3 with 4P-4E config and I though that i3 could become seriously good, but only 4C/8T config is offered and I would stay away from that in 2021. It seems that Intel is again at their "high core count is premium feature" shenanigans again. They need to have their ass whopped again by AMD to finally stop selling cores as premium feature. But AMD stopped being competitive at core count and is now selling very overpriced hexa and octa core chips. AMD became like old Intel and Intel is just being Intel again after being a a bit scared by Ryzen.

Typical business users just don't need it, they're running nothing that can take advantage of those cores. For that matter, very few people in general use more than a couple of cores. Gamers, content creators in the sense of video and media editing, and a small number of Office power users out there can use them. But in a business, these people tend to be in specialized departments with specific requirements from IT. They aren't 'most' though by a long shot.

In fact, most of what I see in administrative office environments resembles this :

Dell OptiPlex 3090 Micro Form Factor | Dell USA

Essential commercial micro form factor desktop that delivers dependable security and performance. With 10th Gen Intel® processors.

www.dell.com

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Ah , now these could shake the place up a bit , looks good.

 

[Wirko]

I don't really ignore premium home chipset, it's just that it has been obscure since Sandy Bridge. There's almost never decent availability of boards with it. BTW B series chipsets were originally meant to be business chipsets (entry level).

There's a decent assortment of H470 and H570 boards available in the EU at prices between 70 and 140 €, most of them are µATX sized. But yes, the situation was a lot better even in 2016, when I was putting together my Skylake system. Q170 boards were also common, just pricey.

AMD became like old Intel and Intel is just being Intel again

Aargh!

 

[Minus Infinity]

Does it really matter anymore? Those locked parts boost a lot and are so close to K parts. Increase PLs and you will have permanent boost.

Exactly, the K series are basically pointless except for nerds trying to break OC'ing records these days. The power usage skyrockets on Alder Lake when OC'ed. I would definitely buy the non-K version as long as clocks are the same and tinker with memory clocks and timings.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Exactly, the K series are basically pointless except for nerds trying to break OC'ing records these days. The power usage skyrockets on Alder Lake when OC'ed. I would definitely buy the non-K version as long as clocks are the same and tinker with memory clocks and timings.

Agree for most people. But ah, look at the system specs of posters here, few people here do that....

 

[Minus Infinity]

This basically like people with a car does 0-100 in 3s, spending a fortune to get it down to 2.8s and convincing themselves it makes a huge difference. Our gear is already fast enough, I don't even GPU any more more so when it's a third party card already OC'd. I don't want to use another 100W for 2-5fps.

 

[AlwaysHope]

H670 too. I see people here often discuss the B660 but ignore the H, with better connectivity than the B (expected, at least).

H570 series boards are virtually impossible to buy from local online retailers here in Australia, only the low end H510 is available from only a few. The shipping costs from overseas for H570 doesn't justify the investment when an entry level Z590 obtained locally will do the job, & they are very cheap atm + the bonus of more connectivity from that chipset.

 

[seth1911]

Remember the K i3 chips? those were fun to OC... I'm guessing those won't be making a comeback ever again.

it was useless with the high prices for Z Board. U could get a I5 8600 and H/B Board for the same price.

I times like now i dont wanna buy a K CPU + Z Board, its totally useless. How much can u OC a K against a non K maybe 8% from 5 GHz to 5,4GHz
Its cheaper to buy the Non K a good H/B Board and set the Turbo Core to allways on ire the powerlimit to max.


In the past like 775/1156 u did not need a K Cpu u could a 2,4GHz CPU OC to 4GHz via FSB/BCLK.
1156 was an insane Socket with a i5 650 stock 3,2 GHz OC up to 4.9 GHz.

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/core-i5-12400-qs-cpu-24-percent-faster-core-i5-11400-gaming

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Then trying to question other people's knowledge. You guys have become memes at this point. I'm just gonna stay out of Intel topics from now on cuz I feel my IQ dropping a few points already.

Imagine watching AMD only sell the highest end chip, jack up the price, and thinking "yes, abandoning the budget market is a good idea, intel should do the same, if you cant afford a k series you should be buying a cheap chromebook".

The existence of these locked chips does not take away your k series chips.

 

[Vayra86]

It's not that simple. Unlocking "everything" would also unlock the price, so you'd have to pay for an i7-11700K even if all you want and need was an i7-11700.

Its not like they need an Intel employee doing the rounds in hotels full of CPUs, to unlock the door with a special key.

We're talking as we always have, about artificial limits. The fact of the matter is that Intel spent time to impose those limits, so its really the other way around.

All the K-CPUs serve is the purpose of product segmentation. Does it unlock the price? Only if Intel says so. But then again, everything unlocks the price in a non-competitive marketplace until competitors kill it with a reduction. Intel is still radically overpricing every little fart, which right now is nonsensical E-cores for desktop and the first real IPC bump in half a decade... along with a new problem hunting for solutions we never needed and a new OS version you don't want anytime soon. Yay for progress?

Right now, it is true the non-K's are already so hungry and hot that the added use of a K model is null and void unless you slap chilled water on it, but that's beside the point. What's really happening here is that Intel's product segmentation has been reduced to a simple TDP limit. And selling non-K with a 125-241W sticker on it, really isn't good for marketing. And we don't accept them lying either, even if they still kinda do. Effectively, K models now serve the purpose of misleading you to think you can buy something faster than you did last year.

Let's call spades, spades.

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Then trying to question other people's knowledge. You guys have become memes at this point. I'm just gonna stay out of Intel topics from now on cuz I feel my IQ dropping a few points already.

Defending/justifying is just you jumping to conclusions. What's being said is that K models are Intel's product segmentation and that in practice right now, that segmentation is rendered obsolete for the most part. And here's the kicker: those Intel 'knights' you seem to identify are actually saying what they say because the entire Alder Lake line up is a hot mess when you touch PL2 at stock.

Things are what they are. Spades.

The rest is just you assuming stuff to find the argument. There is no justification here, just a way to look at things, something everyone can figure out for themselves. Leave the mob mentality at home.

 

[Wirko]

Imagine not only having locked CPUs in 2021 but having your brainwashed corporate whiteknights defending & justifying them for free.

Then trying to question other people's knowledge. You guys have become memes at this point. I'm just gonna stay out of Intel topics from now on cuz I feel my IQ dropping a few points already.

This may temporarily hurt your IQ: I have an overclock-capable system (i5-6600K, Z170, some cheap Cooler Master air cooler). Not once did I bother to try overclocking. It's not worth the effort. It would only sour the sweet memories of my Core 2 Duo E6400K fifteen years ago. No, it wasn't a K when I bought it, it became a K when Intel started selling Sandy Bridge.

 

[Chrispy_]

What the hell? Where are the E-cores?!

 

[Why_Me]

What the hell? Where are the E-cores?!

AMD stole 'em.

 

[Flanker]

What the hell? Where are the E-cores?!

I guess E-cores is a premium feature lol