As promised... responding to everyone
OP what is this buy for? If it's not an urgent need I'd tell him good luck on the future sale and go on your way.
I usually work and game on my current 7700K 1080 TI build in our home office. Problem is, my brother, nephews and occasionally others jump on the machine to game (and other minor jobs like printing/emailing/etc). I don't want anyone using my work rig (or keep them out of my room all-together) hence opting for a second machine for gaming. The second objective being, a decent build to play Battlefield 2042 at 1440p ULTRA with a performance target around 90fps (haven't purchased the game yet as it seems poorly optimised/etc).
90fps might be far-fetched as recent benchmarks dictate but im definitely considering upgrading the CPU (and fine tuning quality settings) to make it possible. Actually i've been looking to upgrade for 12-18 months now... was waiting for Zen 3 or intels follow up and RTX 3000 cards. Was super disappointed with RTX lack of availability and spikes in price. I'll consider the CPU upgrade when Zen 3+ and non-k Alder Lake variants are released (plenty of time to check matured benchmarks before pulling the trigger).
I still think the op should just upgrade to a 12600k and keep his gpu and wait it out but it ain't my money so he should do what he feels works best for him.
Definitely in the plan of action
Honestly I originally thought the 9700K would cut it nicely for 1440p gaming as most games on higher resolution are more GPU limited. Battlefield 2042 turned that one around with MASSIVE demand on the CPU. I just hope its a poorly optimised title which is yet to see better days.
That's business
Looks like a win-win waiting to happen
ended up @ £1150. I'm still super pleased though
i think the gpu is being over valued, here in the UK a 2080ti used is about £450 to £550 depending on the model and the rest of the system is gravy, some nice parts but not a Ks worth in my view maybe £850 at a push.
I think you've mistaken the 1080 TI for the 2080 TI. At the current crazy price frenzy, a used 1080 TI is going for around £450-550. The aftermarket used 2080 TI's are going for £800-£850 (and more in some cases). I've been checking Ebay and FB MP completed sales for the last couple of months. I briefly popped into a local CEX store on Wednesday to see how much I would get for my 1080 TI. They said around £350-£375 and they sell it on for around £450 (or more depending on card type). Also asked about 2080 TI sale price and they directed me to their website... i checked and its north of £850 (used).
tbf you'd have to throw away the 9700K and put in at least an 8700 (9900[K] more realistically given the 2080Ti), unfortunately the non-SMT parts really aged like milk ... rip.
ah!!! With all my planning and options considered for a CPU upgrade... i completely overlooked the 9900K possibility. I was in fact looking to upgrade anyway in the coming months (waiting for Zen 3+/Alder Lake non-K series). Ideally I want to view benchmarks again in a few months and see how well Battlefield 2042 performs... if the difference is small and the 9900K is possible at a reasonable cost, it's definitely gonna be a front contender. The bonus being hassle-free swap without switching platforms and heaving to install all the software/utilities again. I'm surprised hardware unboxed and TPU didn't include the 9900K in the list of benched CPUs. Would be nice to see how this 8 core monster compares with the 12600K at 1440p with Bat-2042 (will look into it).
2080Ti ebays for about £800-900. Harder to sell with aftermarket cooling on it though, so call it a £750 value.
Yeah thats what I'm seeing. Also, you think it would lose value if I sell it with the 360mm AIO? I was hoping it would add value as it runs super quiet and the temps are crazy low on full load. Although I did suspect less demand for the combo due to the size of the cooler/compatibility.
The seller is giving me the stock heatsink, shroud and screws hence I can always put it back together and sell both the GPU and cooler separately (not that i'm looking to sell TBH - for the time being).
You could easily part it out and sell the parts for £1500+ if you were so inclined.
I've seen a bunch of posters suggesting the same... and I have been thinking about it. I could profit but in all fairness I know once I get the build up and running i'm gonna lazy-up. There's definitely a decent sum of cash to profit by parting out... but first thing first... i wanna game
Money isn't a problem, i've got a nice tech-upgrade piggy bank to splash out should significantly better performing cards at a reasonable cost come available. I don't mind losing value on the current purchase should prices return to normal.
9900K / 10700K + 3080 looks like minimum to consistently do 90fps. But, you need a 3080 to do 90 fps at 1440p ultra.
Here's a 9900K + 3080, at 1440p ultra they're hitting ~75-85 fps with CPU 45-60%. Can probably push over 90 if the settings are reduced. 2080 Ti is more comparable to a 3070 though.
honestly i have already accepted defeat with that initial 90fps target. 2042 is just some next level of CPU crunching... I'm just hoping further optimisations/game updates will slice a bit of that weight and I don't mind dialing down on quality settings (mix of ultra/high) without compromising on noticable visual quality. The 9900K might do the job but i'm open to something superior... even if it means to switch platforms.
That's why I'd part it out. The value of the 1080 Ti will greatly depend on what it is MSI Gaming Trio for example will get you more than say an EVGA SC due to the significant difference in OC performance. It's never about the typical 4-5% performance difference between AIB cards ... you won't pay 5% more for a card that's 5% faster ... people pay 10-15% or more for the bragging rights. I don't think you could £500 ish for your 1080 Ti
There's an EVGA SC2 on ebay for $310 (£232) ... Asus Reference style for $390 (£292)and MSI Gaming for $570 (£330) and Asus Strix for $500 (£375) Gigabyte Aurus $505 (£428)
Here in the UK, even the SC2 is selling for around £450. I've checked multiple sources (incl. a local CEX store). TBH, i've been checking prices since the launch of RTX 3000 cards in hopes of grabbing one. I guess not long to go and I'll know for sure. Will be selling the 1080 TI as soon as I get the new build in hand and up and running.
What's going to happen to that value when the market returns to normal ? What's going to happen when the 4xxx series drops ? So lets look back a few years .... $250 1060 was 50% faster than the $650 780. Now we are in a unique market where the price of everything is inflated because of the pandemic, and even more so because of pent up demand. The 3080 Ti has a $1800 list price ... why ? because they can. The MSI Gaming Trio To costs $2,400 ... why, because they can. It's popular to jump on manufacturers and sellers for inflated prices but ya can't say they are evil .....
a) When a manufacturer has low yields or can't get products to market, they still have to pay all their normal expenses, so of they used to selling 10,000 products a month and now they are selling half that, their markup has to increase substantially.... that's not necessarily "profit", ... rent hasn't change, utilities haven't changed, layoffs don't cover all of the labor costs.
b) When a reseller has low inventory because they can't get or can't get products to sell, they still have to pay all their normal expenses, so of they used to selling 500 units a month and now they are selling half that, their markup has to increase substantially.... again, that's not necessarily "profit", ... rent hasn't change, utilities haven't changed, layoffs don't cover all of the labor costs.
The key here is that they can only do that when people continue to buy. Resellers don't make money for units sitting on shelves; so they adjust prices accordingly. So the price of the past generation cards and other components are inflated because of supply issues. When product yields and supply chain issues are resolved, and the market returns to normal, the value of older componentry will go down the toilet.
So hence the dilemma I described. For the sake of argument, let's say the market returns to normal in Summer 2022. By that time we'll be reading leaks about the new 4xxx series cards an the sales of 3xxx series will drop. As that happens the value of older generation products will tank.
So it comes down to this .....
1. One could make various arguments to support a price of say £1200 or even the current parts price listed above of almost £1800
2. But 6 - 12 months down the road, will you have buyers remorse knowing that your system is worth less than (£500) after just a few months of use ?
That's my point .... what's it worth ? ... it depends.
If you are going to use the system for say 2 years before your next build, it's going to cost you £50 - 75 per month ... worth it
If you are going to use the system for say 9 months before upgrading, it's going to cost you £133 - 200 per month ... not worth it.
Between here and my son's house we have gamers of 30, 29, 28, 29, 27 and 26 ... just about all of them were excited about upgrading to the 3xxx series. They have (4) 1080 Ti's or (1) 2080 Ti and (one) 2070 and all are now sitting tight .... not only the inflated costs of components but "what" if in the area of job security come into play.
Honestly even if 4000 series drops in the coming months or the 2080 TI just drops in value... i won't be fussed. I've waited long enough for a reasonably priced 3000 series card and just can't be bothered waiting any longer and I don't have faith in things returning to normal any time soon (even with 4000 series). It would be a blast if it did... i'll be upgrading in an instant!!
I'm quite content with this purchase. I've still got plenty of green in my tech-upgrade saver for future upgrades and carry the option of landing more cash when selling my 1080 TI, 9700K, etc. I just had a requirement which got filled by what I consider a "good deal" during what what you rightly informed "
pandemic inflated pricing has induced folks to pay more of late". £1150 + an impending CPU upgrade should easily carry me for another 2 years, although knowing me, as soon the bigger and better cards become available at a reasonable cost, i'll be upgrading in a jiffy.
BTW, i massively appreciate your input. Some great points and I like the way you touched up on the market shakers - i didn't think of that. That's what I love about you guys on TPU, always willing to help with insightful info.
