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Anime Nation

Watched Cowboy bebop.

First few episodes were horrible because of the cast. They are definitely not cream of the crop.
Thankfully they got into their roles pretty well after a couple of episodes.

There was a lot of americanisation(unwanted drama/ humour in incorrect places) which ruins most shows, this show wasnt exempt but it was okay levels.

Overall it was quite watchable.

Viscious actor sucked donkey balls. Such a goofy as mofo. Spike and faye looked like bad casting but they got into their roles a bit better.
Jet was great. and Ein was spot on.
Ed..... lol.
 
de.das.dude said:
First few episodes were horrible because of the cast. They are definitely not cream of the crop.
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If one actor is bad, its a bad actor.

If a lot of actors look bad, its because of the director. It means the director was ineffective at communicating the story to the actors.

Actors often don't understand the story. That's just not their job, actors at best understand their own characters in isolation (but in many cases, actors are jumping between sets / shows / productions, so its impossible to expect them to understand any particular story they're working on). Its the director's job to bring actors back into their character when they visit the set.
 
They destroyed what Cowboy Bebop made Cowboy Bebop.

Heavy spoilers.


The added modifications. Vicious is made an idiot, the added plot line is college level humor. Americanization is indeed atrocious, don't touch what ain't yours, it has came from Japanese culture and leave your problems outside of it, nobody asked for sexualization of characters.

Acting does not fit the role, it is flawed. Spike nor Faye is like portrayed. It is like old, tame Spike versus the oddball street kid, that's always hungry, his knack for fetching things is completely lost, I can excuse lack of cigarette gulping, he's fast and gritty. Faye is made into a rude spoiled brat, there were zero lines about that in the original, she monetized her bombshell looks only, thing you can't do here really, but no badmouthing and stupid phrases.

Even the plot around the Data Dog Ein and the afro wearing villain is altered in a manner that turned out weak, dafuq the idea about killing dogs some drama about escaping, and then they decided to take Ein in? What? Taxes for dogs, that cost few wollongs in the original? The plot around Jet and her daughter. The last kidnaping arc, the super most stupid cringe around it. The plot was modified by a kinder garden aged child? Mexican soap operas have stronger content that this.

And WTF... did they really watch the anime? Ed is a Girl... ffs... you can't even do that right without introducing politics?

In plot they altered things, that lost the core idea, they didn't get paid, they flopped the job, someone gets killed and the heavy melancholy of death that surrounds, but leaving some sort of felling of content. The are no feelings in this, they butchered them. Spikes actor couldn't even portray correctly the feeling of hunger, it felt awkward, the all altered timeline also contributes to that.

Filming is basic, A B shoulder shots shots, rare pans, the stages outside CG are too boring, fight scenes are subpar, unsynced, slow, camera angles feel forced, the Image itself is color graded in kinda basic manner, and its always static, it should not be like that, the whole image lacks effects like wind, fog, sand, dampness, their clothes are always clean, it is a noir modern western, they kinda even missed that. They cut many things that actually matter, like the Indian fortune teller for example. Directing is is weak, yes... They even could not get right the fact that Vicious has never called Spike Fearless... did they watch it really?

I can commend only Jets role actor Mustafa outside the stupid plot line about the doll, and the only precise thing that actually is done right is Bounty Hunter Big Shot commercial, they somehow forgot to screw that too.

Everything they added sucks hard, and they have cut down very important bits from the original butchering the series for those who have watched the anime. You have to have talent to screw up something like this.
 
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Ferrum Master said:
And WTF... did they really watch the anime? Ed is a Girl... ffs... you can't even do that right without introducing politics?
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This is why I thought the best idea was to just... not have Ed in the story at all.

In the 20 years since Cowboy Bebop was aired, Ed's ambiguity has turned her into a transgender icon. That's just... what's happened. So the question of what gender to represent her today is... difficult. If you stick with cannon with "her", you'll piss off the transgender community that are certainly a part of the fanbase. So its lose-lose for the various groups of watchers of the show. Ultimately, someone's gotta win the gender discussion.

Ed was ambiguously portrayed in a huge part of the original plot. Even the reveal that she's a "she" wasn't very clear. It seemed like even her father wasn't 100% sure. One thing led to another, and now we have a big pat of the fanbase interpreting those scenes in a particular way.

Maybe that's not enough to write her/they out of the story. But Ed is also a "Bugs Bunny" character in an otherwise rather serious show. She's a literally a cartoon plastered onto a dramatic Film Noir Space Opera. The fact that they managed to get Ed to work at all in the original was just mastery of the medium. I frankly can't see how Ed could possibly come to live action outside of some crazy "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" style cartooning going on.

Ed's a problematic character for writers. I don't envy any of the scriptwriters at all. I frankly don't see how such a character would work today or in live action.

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Hmmm... if I were in charge, I'd probably do the Peter Pan thing. Peter Pan is a boy in the story, but should always be played by a female actress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_(1954_musical)). I don't know if fans would be cool with that however, because the anime-community probably is not aware of older classical theater tropes. But that's the closest thing to the concept I can think of in terms of classical theater / live action performance.
 
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This is why I thought the best idea was to just... not have Ed in the story at all.
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I can't see much problems here. Scriptwriters here haven't done anything good either way. I have no problems imagining a proper child role actress here. The closest that actually matches the whole character for Ed is Pippi Longstocking, just boost attributes like a smart hacker and leave the common eccentrics. The accent of sexualization in the series is the concern in the first place. It is a child ffs.

The important factor here, they had to screw with genders here for sake of screwing with the idea about non binary gender, they consumed too much time on that instead of trying to make a decent adaption in the first place. The original plot had even scenes about Ed being a girl, why bother altering it in the first place? Most haven't seen the original then and doesn't really understand that it is a quirk from Japanese culture and misinterprets it, it ain't rare to mistake genders for children there as it is precepted in a different way. Why you had to spend so much time putting that mechanic Faye b-roll scene? It was like, it seems you really lay down the first one you see if you are a lesbian? Scriptwriters having a hard time eh? Absolute rubbish and lack of respect.
 
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Yeah Ed is Ed, I never wondered about the gender thing:
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I'd rather rewatch the OG series, I don't need this Netflix crap.
 
And guess what? I'm rewatching Bebop once again and it's still freaking amazing.
 
I did watch a few of the Live Action Kenshin movies though.

The 1st arc was a workable mess. They merged too many characters IMO and I feel like the romance between Kenshin and Karou just didn't work in this new script. Still, its hard to deny how "cool" Kenshin is, and the swordplay / fight scenes are outstanding, though somewhat hammy. I feel like its a good interpretation of Kenshin: a lot of "real life" moves, with a few slightly superhuman feats thrown in... so the fights are largely believable with only a few defining superhuman moves per fight.


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The 2nd arc (the 2nd and 3rd movies) were handled much better, but since there's only 5-hours to cover such a large arc... a lot of important fights were cut out. Still, they stuck mostly to the original story (a few things had to change since the 1st movie changed a lot... but they got the plot "back on track"). The 2nd/3rd movies handle the Kyoto arc with Shishio.

Despite most of the side characters getting... well... sidelined (Karou, Yahiko, Misao, the Oniwabanshuu, the ten-swords... wow there's a lot of characters in this story...), the big plot moments are all there. As far as I remember, all of Kenshin, Sanosuke, Aoishi and Saito's fights remain in the 2nd and 3rd movies, which are arguably the most important fights of the arc.

I know the 4th and 5th movies are out ("Beginning" and "The Final"), covering the last arc of the story. The 4th movie coincides with the "Trust and Betrayal" movie, and the 5th movie coincides with "Reflection".
 
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Chomiq said:
And guess what? I'm rewatching Bebop once again and it's still freaking amazing.
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I miss the gridyness of these animes, everything now is cut, past change eye,s change hair, done. It's sooooo boring there isn't enough varity anymore
 
Saw this floating around... yeah, i think i'll pass on the live action bebop. That's just... cringey.

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I miss the gridyness of these animes, everything now is cut, past change eye,s change hair, done. It's sooooo boring there isn't enough varity anymore
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I don't think that's even true of this year, let alone anime in general.

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We've just barely started to get "acceptable" 3d animation integrated into anime. Fate/Zero and UFOTable was probably the first major production in 2011 that had good CGI + Classic animation... and they did it again with Demon Slayer (I don't like the story personally, but damn, its a pretty show).

The spider show also had a lot of segments of good 3d animation... also a lot of bad 3d animation. Still, its good to see other studios get better at this craft.
 
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Just finished Baki Hanma 12 episode prison arc, what a beast and the next season should be interesting.
 
Lmfao:
‘COWBOY BEBOP’ has been canceled by Netflix after 1 season.
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Chomiq said:
Lmfao:
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Yeah.... I watched the first 4 episodes, and while it was ok... the best I can give it is "lukewarm". I'd rather just finish my Trigun re-watch, or start original Bebop again in a year or so.....
 
Doom Patrol (HBO Max) does the live action comic book thing pretty well. I didn't like the first episode but the second episode grabbed me again.

It's not anime but it's existential, 4th wall breaking, drama with DC superheroes and super powers.

EDIT: And again: props to the Kenshin live-action movies for hitting the silly / serious mark correctly. Giving Sojiro's that "hop" actually works out really well for his personality, for example, I don't think he did that in the original anime / manga, but its one of those little additions that gave him more flavor in the live-action. Besides, when the silly hop is followed up with:


Well, now you take him seriously. If you're gonna live-action, you gotta get the choreography right and still wow the audience.
 
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Finished the Netflix Cowboy bebop adaptation, it was an okay attempt at best and certainly at the right step in direction.
Ruroni Kenshin at the moment sets the gold standard for anime live adaptation for me too.

SSSS.Gridman&Dynazenon movie confirmed by Tsuburaya the other day which im semi-excited for but i'm more interested in Ultraman S2 thats coming out next year too.
Shaman king part 2 is available on Netflix too so I need to make a start on that and also on Jojo Part 6.
I did get Wangan Midnight aswell to give it another go.
 
kurosagi01 said:
Finished the Netflix Cowboy bebop adaptation, it was an okay attempt at best and certainly at the right step in direction.
Ruroni Kenshin at the moment sets the gold standard for anime live adaptation for me too.

SSSS.Gridman&Dynazenon movie confirmed by Tsuburaya the other day which im semi-excited for but i'm more interested in Ultraman S2 thats coming out next year too.
Shaman king part 2 is available on Netflix too so I need to make a start on that and also on Jojo Part 6.
I did get Wangan Midnight aswell to give it another go.
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Completely agree with that
 
Hey, just saw that the new Shingeki no Kyojin pre season 4 OVA is out.
 
I finally finished evangelion, after 300 years


It's the first anime i watched, and if kill humanity today it'll be the last, too...
 
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