NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 12GB Has CUDA Core Count Rivaling RTX 2060 SUPER

[RandallFlagg]

It's an RTX2060 in name only .
The original RTX2060 was a TU106 die while this one will be a TU104 , probably around the RTX2060Super performance
--By the way , do you know what's its price , because as far as i know it hasn't been annonced yet...

MSI GeForce RTX 2060 Ventus graphics card with 12GB memory goes on sale in France for 528 EUR - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 12GB on sale in France Although RTX 2060 12GB is to launch officially tomorrow, the first retailers have already have started listing the new card. The MSI RTX 2060 Ventus 12G OC listings might be a placeholder. One of them, contrary to the product title, mention 6GB RAM...

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[Vayra86]

500-600 EUR Bwhahahahaaha

I paid 420 for my 1080. Go figure. But do cheer for this release, go go

 

[sith'ari]

It'll have 10% more shaders at best, so what do we expect here? Miracles? Its also got a tighter bus...

in these stagnant market , anyone who wants to upgrade their old GPU will either pay a small fortune for something like an RTX3060 , or will buy something around only 10-15% slower ( RTX2060Super) at a much larger quantities , thus , very close to its msrp ( logically ).
As i already said above , in my opinion, this seems a brilliant move by nVIDIA to dominate the mainstream market before Intel even launches their lineup , thus making their offerings unecessary to gamers.

 

[Vayra86]

in these stagnant market , anyone who wants to upgrade their old GPU will either pay a small fortune for something like an RTX3060 , or will buy something around only 10-15% slower ( RTX2060Super) at a much larger quantities , thus , very close to its msrp ( logically ).
As i already said above , in my opinion, this seems a brilliant move by nVIDIA to dominate the mainstream market before Intel even launches their lineup , thus making their offerings unecessary to gamers.

Sure, but its not a good buy either way.

 

[sith'ari]

Sure, but its not a good buy either way.

Everything is relative , and today , someone who needs a GPU , will either:
1) Pay +100$ for a total crap like a GT1030
2) Pay a small fortune for something like an RTX3060 or better
3) Will buy this card , which as i said , probably it will be only 10-15% slower (edit: to the RTX3060 ) , but at more reasonable price , since the quantities that can produced , can be massive , if nVIDIA chooses that way.
( By the way , MSI doesn't set the msrp prices , nVIDIA does , so i'll wait for the official announcement by nVIDIA. )

 

[RandallFlagg]

in these stagnant market , anyone who wants to upgrade their old GPU will either pay a small fortune for something like an RTX3060 , or will buy something around only 10-15% slower ( RTX2060Super) at a much larger quantities , thus , very close to its msrp ( logically ).
As i already said above , in my opinion, this seems a brilliant move by nVIDIA to dominate the mainstream market before Intel even launches their lineup , thus making their offerings unecessary to gamers.

Been trying to figure out how to say that. Intel is set to throw three cards into the market in Q1, the lowest powered one is probably a 1660 / 1660 Ti competitor, with the other two landing somewhere in the 3060 - 3080 range.

If Nvidia and AMD don't have reasonably priced cards, and Intel delivers in volume, you could wind up with a whole generation of Intel GPU "brand fans" simply because the competition was too busy making bank on crypto. A lot of this will depend on how Intel does on Crypto, they could be gobbled up by miners as well, but it might be a strategy to intentionally cripple mining on the cards in order to dominate the PC gaming GPU space.

A longer term strategy to gain permanent market share quickly. The "Brand Loyalty" factor is a big one - not just in GPUs. You have Ford people and GM people, Harley people and BMW people and Honda people. It's an odd thing but it is real.

 

[AdmiralThrawn]

People are way overreacting about this. It's not like 20 series is from the stone age. It is literally one gen old. According to the steam hardware survey. The most common card in the world is the 1060. It is not like this is outdated hardware.

 

[sith'ari]

Been trying to figure out how to say that. Intel is set to throw three cards into the market in Q1, the lowest powered one is probably a 1660 / 1660 Ti competitor, with the other two landing somewhere in the 3060 - 3080 range.

If Nvidia and AMD don't have reasonably priced cards, and Intel delivers in volume, you could wind up with a whole generation of Intel GPU "brand fans" simply because the competition was too busy making bank on crypto. A lot of this will depend on how Intel does on Crypto, they could be gobbled up by miners as well, but it might be a strategy to intentionally cripple mining on the cards in order to dominate the PC gaming GPU space.

A longer term strategy to gain permanent market share quickly. The "Brand Loyalty" factor is a big one - not just in GPUs. You have Ford people and GM people, Harley people and BMW people and Honda people. It's an odd thing but it is real.

Don't forget that Intel uses TSMC 7nm for their upcoming lineup , and its very probable that they will face severe capacity limitations.
Considering that their best GPUs are estimated around RTX3060Ti/RTX3070 level ( meaning not very far from something like an RTX2060Super) that's why i'm saying that if nVIDIA makes the right move with the price (combined with the massive quantities that are able to produce ) they can dominate the mainstream gaming market.
Right now , from the 3 companies , only nVIDIA seem to be able to push massive quantities in the gaming market.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm a bit of a pessimist, sorry. I just try to look at the market from a perspective that isn't fueled by the mood of the day, or of the current pandemic. Its not good to treat that as the norm.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Don't forget that Intel uses TSMC 7nm for their upcoming lineup , and its very probable that they will face severe capacity limitations.
Considering that their best GPUs are estimated around RTX3060Ti/RTX3070 level ( meaning not very far from something like an RTX2060Super) that's why i'm saying that if nVIDIA makes the right move with the price (combined with the massive quantities that are able to produce ) they can dominate the mainstream gaming market.
Right now , from the 3 companies , only nVIDIA seem to be able to push massive quantities in the gaming market.

It's actually 6nm, which if TSMC used Intel parlance would be 7nm++++.

Anyway, AMD doesn't get all of TSMCs production capacity. They get about 9% of it, and that is divided between CPUs GPUs including server and workstation (EPYC / Threadripper). Intel has about 7% and as far as I know is using virtually all of it for GPU / HPC (essentially the same thing). HPC isn't that big now that they are wrapping up Aurora.

So... it is at least possible that Intel will unload a ton of GPUs using that capacity.

 

[sith'ari]

It's actually 6nm, which if TSMC used Intel parlance would be 7nm++++.

Anyway, AMD doesn't get all of TSMCs production capacity. They get about 9% of it, and that is divided between CPUs GPUs including server and workstation (EPYC / Threadripper). Intel has about 7% and as far as I know is using virtually all of it for GPU / HPC (essentially the same thing). HPC isn't that big now that they are wrapping up Aurora.

So... it is at least possible that Intel will unload a ton of GPUs using that capacity.

Whaaaat ????
An old TSMC partner like AMD has 9% for their entire CPU and GPU lineup , while the newcoming Intel managed to get an almost identical percentage only for their GPUs ????
If it's accurate it's incredible , never thought something like that!!!

 

[RandallFlagg]

Whaaaat ????
An old TSMC partner like AMD has 9% for their entire CPU and GPU lineup , while the newcoming Intel managed to get an almost identical percentage only for their GPUs ????
If it's accurate it's incredible , never thought something like that!!!

I was surprised first time I saw that too, but there it is. Mediatek came out of nowhere too. Qualcomm used to be one of their biggest partners but is switching to Samsung I believe, just as Nvidia did.

 

[Mussels]

I don't understand this recurring line of thinking. Is this an instance of old = bad or something? Lots of folks, myself included, would love to have a card that performs on the level of a 2060, or a 2060 straight up. Even in its original form, performance is only about 20% behind the 3060, which nobody's calling out as a "shit card." Maybe they are, I dunno. "No bad cards, only bad prices" still holds, IMO. Granted, there are nothing but bad prices right now, and for the foreseeable future. But look at it this way: The more cards that can get shoved on the market, the further secondhand prices (and presumably retail ASPs) will fall come the next crypto crash. 'Sides, nobody's forcing anyone to buy the thing.

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I mean, i still use my GTX 1080. I just OC'd it again yesterday so i can play SC2 and D2 resurrected at 4K on my TV.

With image scaling/DLSS etc, they're going to be fine for 1080p performance for a while still.

 

[Totally]

Big Oof, it's a mining card.

 

[deu]

You haven't been paying attention at all have you? These are 12nm so that can't possibly be the case.

What and arrogant way to initiate a conversation. As far as my google search goes and reading on techpowerup turing was made on 12nm so apparently I have. Here's a link:

NVIDIA TU104 GPU Specs

3072 Cores, 192 TMUs, 64 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

Stop acting better than others online.

 

[Totally]

What and arrogant way to initiate a conversation. As far as my google search goes and reading on techpowerup turing was made on 12nm so apparently I have. Here's a link:

NVIDIA TU104 GPU Specs

3072 Cores, 192 TMUs, 64 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

Stop acting better than others online.

I'm not disputing that Turing is native to 12nm, I'm calling into question the reasoning as to how these new dies are failed bins of higher skus. It was said that they are buying unused 12nm fab capacity, so these aren't chips they were sitting on, and there is nothing current on 12nm that they could harvest from that we know of unless to have another link.

 

[seth1911]

ill dont buy a 3 year old middle class card as a new one with overrated price.

But there are to much lemmings out there they will buy anything, cause theyr addiction.

 

[cvaldes]

ill dont buy a 3 year old middle class card as a new one with overrated price.

But there are to much lemmings out there they will buy anything, cause theyr addiction.

The miners will scoop all these up because of the high mining efficiency:

NVIDIA launches GeForce RTX 2060 12GB, a perfect card for crypto miners - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA launches GeForce RTX 2060 with 12GB and TU106-300 GPU, overpriced gaming GPU for miners Multiple NVIDIA board partners unveiled its GeForce RTX 2060 12GB graphic cards. The seemingly highly anticipated cure for the mid-range GPU market has been turned into a complete disaster. Despite the...

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They will be just as rare as other graphics cards for the DIY market.

 

[trsttte]

It's not old fish, it's a whole new thing

 

[seth1911]

This is BS, sry.

The miners dont be made this overrated prices, those prices come from 4 Instances:
AMD/Nvidia
Board Manufactures
major sellers
Customers


Miners dont buy the whole market, if no Customer buy a 3090TI for about 3000€ its price would not be 3000€.
But there are many sheeps out there they buy what they need for theyr addiction.

But let me say one thing:
U will hurt ure self if u push the prices even higher = less Consumers with powerfull GPU = less interesting to release Console Games to PC / to make Graphical intense Games for PC

 

[sith'ari]

Well ,i have to admit that in price and availability it didn't make any great start , but performance-wise the RTX2060 12GB remains a very decent option.
In this video (

) they are comparing the RTX3060 / RX6600 /RTX2060 12 GB @1440p , and the performance is pretty decent (even though the RTX2060 is not a 1440p card , but rather a 1080p)

Still i remain confident about its availability(thus price) in the near future ,since the 12nm manufacturing process can guarantee the quantities the market needs (hopefully )

--P.S. Also i'm curious about its performance at 1080p + RayTracing/DLSS , since as far as i understood , larger memory can provide a boost in RT performance.
Hopefully Wizzard will check that part ....

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well ,i have to admit that in price and availability it didn't make any great start , but performance-wise the RTX2060 12GB remains a very decent option.
In this video (

) they are comparing the RTX3060 / RX6600 /RTX2060 12 GB @1440p , and the performance is pretty decent (even though the RTX2060 is not a 1440p card , but rather a 1080p)

Still i remain confident about its availability(thus price) in the near future ,since the 12nm manufacturing process can guarantee the quantities the market needs (hopefully )

--P.S. Also i'm curious about its performance at 1080p + RayTracing/DLSS , since as far as i understood , larger memory can provide a boost in RT performance.
Hopefully Wizzard will check that part ....

The 2060 is a good card.

Sure no good for Ray Tracing. But it was 15-25% faster than the 1660 Super and 1660 Ti, which many were saying (incorrectly) were equivalent non RT parts.

I really felt the 3060 non Ti was and is a waste, and that shows in your video and in the review benchmarks.

That 3060 is basically a 2060 Super :

1080P:

1440P

 

[Shirou]

I think I'll just wait till they re-release my 1060.

Couldn't have said it better... I'm still on the pro GTX team...

 

[Ruru]

Yeeeeeah... normal 2060 cards start from 600EUR here in Finland so I can imagine this being a 700+ EUR card. Think about it, you got a 2080(S) with that price when they were the best non Ti(tan) ones.

500-600 EUR Bwhahahahaaha

I paid 420 for my 1080. Go figure. But do cheer for this release, go go

I got my 1080 Ti for 300EUR

 

[JUST WHO LOVE COMPUTER]

Another minings cards for miners.We Chinese call it "Air GPUs"(Beacuse they're sold out)