X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[lexluthermiester]

My RIV BE is supposed to be here tomorrow. I'm thinking of getting a 2697 V2 to put in the Sabertooth X79 to replace the 1680 V2 that's going into the RIV BE. From all I've read the RIV BE was the ultimate X79 mobo, I'll soon know for sure. Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going to be the OS.

Cool...2697 V2 or 2696 V2 are both great choices if you want to go for 12c/24t on X79 and with a little bit of luck&knowledge you can rise the BCLK and OC a bit those CPU's.....

There's also the 2690v2 at 10c/20t at 3ghz.

Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going to be the OS.

Good choice!

 

[KptRex]

Glad to see so many ppl still using 2967 v2 even in 2021

Got mine together wit Asus IV Formula quite a while back actually, Ran it on 114 bclk and +0.060 offset mode for most of this time. Rock solid stable and with temps never going above 45 degrees, could not be more happy with it honestly, especially as I upgraded from Xeon X5470 OC'd to 4,6ghz, nice cpu but lga775 has it's limits

But one thing bothered me, 114bclk I'd say is pretty good for this cpu but any time I tried to push for a little more like 114.375 (To get that sweet 4.ghz turbo clock) it just won't post, does not matter how much voltage I add on the core or VTT nor raise the limits in DIGI+, I know for sure that ram is not an issue. Is it a wall for this system or is there a trick to made it make those few more BCLK steps?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Glad to see so many ppl still using 2967 v2 even in 2021

Got mine together wit Asus IV Formula quite a while back actually, Ran it on 114 bclk and +0.060 offset mode for most of this time. Rock solid stable and with temps never going above 45 degrees, could not be more happy with it honestly, especially as I upgraded from Xeon X5470 OC'd to 4,6ghz, nice cpu but lga775 has it's limits

But one thing bothered me, 114bclk I'd say is pretty good for this cpu but any time I tried to push for a little more like 114.375 (To get that sweet 4.ghz turbo clock) it just won't post, does not matter how much voltage I add on the core or VTT nor raise the limits in DIGI+, I know for sure that ram is not an issue. Is it a wall for this system or is there a trick to made it make those few more BCLK steps?

Yeah that's the thing with those Xeons....my 2697 V2 working on 115.1(24/7)but it can also work up to the 115.7 but it's not stable it's rock solid from 115,3 and lower and if I put it higher on 115.8 or 115.9....116...etc it will no post at all...I guess it's depends from CPU to CPU and yeah there is nothing you can do about it I also tried to add Voltages but there is no luck it will just refuse to post....other than this those V2(22nm) Xeons are still awesome they don't need high Voltages so that's means they are usually really cold on some normal air cooling and still provide pretty good performance......

P.S.Welcome to the Xeon-Club

 

[dalekdukesboy]

There's your problem. At 4k you don't need antialiasing as the "pixel laddering" can't be seen anyway. Turn off AA. AF however will still produce a good result but only to a limit. 8x AF is what you should go for. So turn off AA and set AF to 8x and you should be good to go.

I thought I tried it without both at one point with little difference but I'll revisit that option thanks. Also... Is it better to use game for those settings or through AMD settings panel?

There's your problem. At 4k you don't need antialiasing as the "pixel laddering" can't be seen anyway. Turn off AA. AF however will still produce a good result but only to a limit. 8x AF is what you should go for. So turn off AA and set AF to 8x and you should be good to go.

Unfortunately I shut off all AF and AS and makes literally little to zero difference in framerates...I'm surprised it is a bottleneck heavily OC'd and with 8 cores and 16 threads but it definitely appears to be when heavy CPU usage occurs in lush, deep scenes when you look far into the "map" I'm on. I'm actually surprised there's no option to limit "view distance" like in some older games I've played because that always made a huge difference in games and often didn't effect much not rendering stuff you couldn't or hardly could see.

Glad to see so many ppl still using 2967 v2 even in 2021

Got mine together wit Asus IV Formula quite a while back actually, Ran it on 114 bclk and +0.060 offset mode for most of this time. Rock solid stable and with temps never going above 45 degrees, could not be more happy with it honestly, especially as I upgraded from Xeon X5470 OC'd to 4,6ghz, nice cpu but lga775 has it's limits

But one thing bothered me, 114bclk I'd say is pretty good for this cpu but any time I tried to push for a little more like 114.375 (To get that sweet 4.ghz turbo clock) it just won't post, does not matter how much voltage I add on the core or VTT nor raise the limits in DIGI+, I know for sure that ram is not an issue. Is it a wall for this system or is there a trick to made it make those few more BCLK steps?

Welcome! Glad thread is growing not shrinking despite the heavy competition between Intel and AMD with new release today from Intel that is only increasing the new CPU competition.

 

[bobbybluz]

Well my RIV BE showed up this morning missing the CPU cover (the seller said he had it and would come with it in place) and wrapped in plastic shrink wrap. It has a few slightly bent pins but they don't look bad enough to cause serious problems. I contacted Ebay and the seller before proceeding further. The seller responded he couldn't get a CPU cover to fit the socket... Ebay said not to worry and I'm covered in case there is actually anything wrong with it.

He said to try it out with a CPU in it. Today is my wife's birthday so no working on computers for me today. The mobo is still in the shrink wrap and I'll bench test it tomorrow. I will say it's the heaviest X79 board I've ever picked up. The OC panel appears to be in great shape (no scratches on the display) and I hope that's fully functional too. The highest-end GPU remaining in my unused collection is a Sapphire R9 390 Nitro Backplate 8GB and that's close to period correct for the mobo, CPU and Silver Stone Cosmos II case. Since I'm not a gamer it should be more than adequate for my needs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is it a wall for this system or is there a trick to made it make those few more BCLK steps?

Silicon lottery likely. It might be that your CPU just will not go beyond the 114mhz level or can't do the fractional adjustments on a stable level.

BTW, welcome to TPU!

Is it better to use game for those settings or through AMD settings panel?

That depends. As general rule, I set things up in the global driver settings and then fine-tune on a game-by-game basis as needed.

Unfortunately I shut off all AF and AS and makes literally little to zero difference in framerates...I'm surprised it is a bottleneck heavily OC'd and with 8 cores and 16 threads but it definitely appears to be when heavy CPU usage occurs in lush, deep scenes when you look far into the "map" I'm on. I'm actually surprised there's no option to limit "view distance" like in some older games I've played because that always made a huge difference in games and often didn't effect much not rendering stuff you couldn't or hardly could see.

That is a classic indicator of CPU bottlenecking. Shutting off AA should have given an instant boost of the GPU was the bottleneck. This is totally counter-intuitive as you're running at 4k..

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[dalekdukesboy]

Silicon lottery likely. It might be that your CPU just will not go beyond the 114mhz level or can't do the fractional adjustments on a stable level.

BTW, welcome to TPU!


That depends. As general rule, I set things up in the global driver settings and then fine-tune on a game-by-game basis as needed.


That is a classic indicator of CPU bottlenecking. Shutting off AA should have given an instant boost of the GPU was the bottleneck. This is totally counter-intuitive as you're running at 4k..

Yeah...except I checked cpu usage and it's 20-25% it's like the thing's coasting....I'm going to have to find some other game to play around with and see if it's just a quirk with that game or something else is going on.

 

[lexluthermiester]

See edit..

Yeah...except I checked cpu usage and it's 20-25% it's like the thing's coasting....I'm going to have to find some other game to play around with and see if it's just a quirk with that game or something else is going on.

Ok, yeah that's weird.. Forget my edit then..

 

[KptRex]

Yeah that's the thing with those Xeons....my 2697 V2 working on 115.1(24/7)but it can also work up to the 115.7 but it's not stable it's rock solid from 115,3 and lower and if I put it higher on 115.8 or 115.9....116...etc it will no post at all...I guess it's depends from CPU to CPU and yeah there is nothing you can do about it I also tried to add Voltages but there is no luck it will just refuse to post....other than this those V2(22nm) Xeons are still awesome they don't need high Voltages so that's means they are usually really cold on some normal air cooling and still provide pretty good performance......

P.S.Welcome to the Xeon-Club

Thanks for the info, that's the thing, from perfecty stable at all times to complete non post just a a step later even with 4 times the voltage I need for 114... just my Xeon thing I guess

Welcome! Glad thread is growing not shrinking despite the heavy competition between Intel and AMD with new release today from Intel that is only increasing the new CPU competition.

Me too! Was afraid that I will have to change it for some micro or even mini ITX setup with new platform in around 2 years as I will be moving all over europe a lot after that and needing PC with will be easy to carry and will fit on the plane but figured out I can still make it quite small without leaving my xeon bechind so it will likley stay

Silicon lottery likely. It might be that your CPU just will not go beyond the 114mhz level or can't do the fractional adjustments on a stable level.

BTW, welcome to TPU!

Yeah it's likley that, still really happy with what I got as some people said that you can't get a good overclock on those xeons and they bearly work above their stock clocks... which is probably true if you using some cheap asian board that isn't even X79

Yeah...except I checked cpu usage and it's 20-25% it's like the thing's coasting....I'm going to have to find some other game to play around with and see if it's just a quirk with that game or something else is going on.

Not sure how much of a help this will be but I had something similar happen in only one game: Hell let loose. CPU usage was around high 20s at best at game could drop to 40fps at times. Boost clocks and all were working fine but never figured the way to use more power of the xeon despite me heaving over 200 hours in it (quite sad considering ppl can run this game at 60fps using budget rigs). It didn't matter really if I put setting on low nor ultra and config file editing showed only marginal improvment, Project Lasso wasn't much help either... So I guess some games just don't like those xeons and there is not much you can do about it (at least I didn't found a way)

PS. there might be one as i planned to contact devs for a help, so maybe they will get some answers

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Interesting... Thanks for insight and experience! What xeon cpu? What gpu? Lastly as a semi gamer what game was it??

Yeah when I look at speed, cores/threads and memory speed... I was doubtful cpu was choking whatsoever but worth checking.

 

[k_9virus]

happy weekend everyone just playing with my new 2697v2 lol

 

[Zyll Goliat]

happy weekend everyone just playing with my new 2697v2 lol

Nice....post some benchmark results from Cinebench,Passmark,Geekbench,CPUz....etc......

 

[KptRex]

Interesting... Thanks for insight and experience! What xeon cpu? What gpu? Lastly as a semi gamer what game was it??

Yeah when I look at speed, cores/threads and memory speed... I was doubtful cpu was choking whatsoever but worth checking.

My 2697 v2, ran it on 111.600 bclk back then as it was new and I didn't know it's full capabilities yet. GPU it was 980ti with unlocked bios and running at 1530mhz core, and for the game it's a realistic WW2 shooter with 100 players per battle, very cpu dependent especially when most of the server is fighting around one square on the map, like for one specific hill etc.

 

[bobbybluz]

Due to a death in the family I didn't get to bench test the RIV BE until last night. It has major issues and I'm extremely disappointed. The seller outright lied about the condition of the board and fortunately it's documented in the Ebay messages. I spoke with Ebay customer service this morning and they said I'm covered so I'll be getting a full refund. The seller said there were no bent CPU socket pins and he had the socket cover. When the board arrived I asked him where the cover was, he said he couldn't find one that fit. This morning he said he knew there were a few bent pins but it worked fine for him. It didn't work fine for me, every time I rebooted it code 00 came up and I had to cycle the PSU to get back into BIOS. As far as overclocking or even properly recognizing the RAM it was a total lost cause. Every reboot caused the code 00...

Here's a picture of how it was packed and shipped. It came in a cardboard box used to contain oranges. The mobo was wrapped in plastic cling wrap with no CPU cover then blocks of Styrofoam were jammed in to keep it from moving around. There with bits of the stuff everywhere including the CPU socket. I had to use a toothpick to clean it out of the SATA and USB ports. It looks like it was packed by a goat herder in a shed far from civilization. The outside of the package was covered in muslin cloth like the type used for covering bricks of hashish in the early 1970's. It had the shipping label taped to the cloth. If I wasn't so pissed off I'd be laughing about it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

 

[dalekdukesboy]

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I almost posted here to ask about better reviews on new 12 series Intel processors and the max OC and heat etc with water...fuck air nothing wrong with it for some builds and most of what I've used till recently but now I'm spoiled and I will only use water plus air coolers are huge and make my terribly wired case all the more a clusterfuck of mess....just sayin' . Anyway guru 3d is a good site I've always thought and interestingly enough all the processors they got to 5.3 ghz OC.

 

[bobbybluz]

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I almost posted here to ask about better reviews on new 12 series Intel processors and the max OC and heat etc with water...fuck air nothing wrong with it for some builds and most of what I've used till recently but now I'm spoiled and I will only use water plus air coolers are huge and make my terribly wired case all the more a clusterfuck of mess....just sayin' . Anyway guru 3d is a good site I've always thought and interestingly enough all the processors they got to 5.3 ghz OC.

I'll be getting a 12700K and an ASRock Z690 Steel Legend WiFi board from Micro Center as soon as the boards are in stock. I spoke with somebody at ASRock yesterday and he told me they sent a shipment to the main Micro Center distribution center last week. The 12700K has the same number of P cores as the 12900K but four less E cores. It sucks less power and generates less heat plus Micro Center has them for $399 (and $20-30 more off with a compatible mobo bundle). The failed RIV BE nightmare refund from Ebay will be going toward that.

It looks like I'll have a complete RIV BE OC panel assembly to do whatever I want with soon. That includes the outer bay mounting, the OC module and connector cable. The scumbag seller didn't even give me all of the money to send the mobo back to him and the OC panel was supposed to be shipped to a third party in NYC. He hasn't paid for that shipping yet either and Ebay says as soon as he gets the board back I get my money refunded and the whole case is closed. He sent me a message yesterday after I gave him the USPS International Express tracking number asking me to hold onto it until he gets more money. Ebay says after the refund goes through I don't have to send him anything. I'll most likely offer to sell it to anybody here who may want it or put it up on Ebay. It was very dusty and I doubt he ever connected it.

 

[bobbybluz]

I finally got the full purchase price plus shipping back from Ebay credited to my PayPal account on the RIV BE disaster. If anybody is interested in a complete OC panel assembly (bay mounting hardware, OC panel unit and cable) PM me. Ebay said I get to keep it because the seller never paid to have it shipped back to his pal in NYC before the case was closed.

I have no idea if it works since I didn't get to try it out before sending the mobo back but it looks like it saw little if any use. If nobody here has use for it I'll put it up on Ebay.

I got my 12700K CPU yesterday plus sent proof of purchase to Arctic so I can get the LGA 1700 mounting hardware for free. Now I have to wait for them to send me a promo code before I can even order it. No mobo for the new CPU either, nobody has either the ASRock Z690 Steel Legend or Steel Legend WiFi boards in stock. It looks like it'll be a minimum of a few weeks before that new rig will be up and running. My main Sabertooth X79 rig is getting a PSU transplant using the new Seasonic Focus GX-850 I scored for $114 while at Micro Center yesterday. I couldn't pass on that price.

 

[wanna_buy]

I am curious from which eBay seller did bobbybluz buy his Rampage IV Black Edition. I was looking to purchase Rampage IV Black Edition around the same time and boy, am I glad that I didn't buy from the same seller.

I got my first taste of LGA2011 2 years ago. I decided to try Rampage IV Black Edition this year. I bought my first RIV BE in February 2021 along with i7-3930K and other parts for cheap from Germany. It seemed to work fine on i7-3930K. But as soon as I put in E5-1680V2, the screen randomly went black and the system was shutting down instantly even at stock speed. I didn't want to bother to go through eBay return process and I resold other parts of the combo locally and recouped the total cost. Later, I exchanged the faulty board for a nice SSD locally too.

I got my second BE advertised as working in the summer from the UK. It arrived with the memory tab broken. I was slightly disappointed, but after I found out it could not sustain overclocked E5-1680V2 as the system was instantly crashing within minutes. I could no longer bear it and returned it to the seller on my dime. I figured that the instant power loss was somehow related to the VRM. I even found another faulty BE listing on eBay describing the same symptoms and stating the VRM was at fault.

I finally got my third BE recently from the UK. Before I pulled the trigger, I closely inspected the photo of the back side. The VRM heatsink showed no traces of the thermal pad oil leak related to overheating. The only thing I can complain is that the chipset heatsink was slightly scratched which did not show in the photos. The board came with Corsair H100i. I have E5-1680V2 capable of passing Cinebench R15 at 4.6GHz at 1.27V. At first, I installed H100i and stress-tested the board. The temps at 4.6GHz soon went over 80° Celsius and the there was BSOD. I lowered the clock to 4.5GHz and Cinebench R15 passed. I thought that the board was degraded at first, but then I installed my old trusty Corsair H110i GT. The temps at 4.6GHz stayed under 60° Celsius and the CPU passed 3 runs of Cinebench R15. No wonder that H100i GT still tops the charts of the CPU cooler reviews on guru3d. I was relieved that the board was fine and the capacitors were not worn out. Therefore, the stability of the overclocked CPU also depends on the temps.

 

[wanna_buy]

I made a comparison between P9X79 Deluxe and Rampage IV Black Edition. I used the same BIOS settings for E5-1680V2 on both motherboards: Vcore - 1.27V, CPU Load-line calibration - High.
It seems that P9X79 Deluxe has no VRM sensor, while Rampage IV Black Edition VRM sensors are probably detected by Hwinfo as Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5.

Note the discrepancy between CPU Core in AIDA64/Core Voltage in CPU-Z/VCCIN in HWiNFO64 and CPU VID in AIDA64/Core VID in HWiNFO64.
Rampage IV Black Edition during idle.

Rampage IV Black Edition at load.


Note the discrepancy between CPU Core in AIDA64/Core Voltage in CPU-Z/Vcore in HWiNFO64 and CPU VID in AIDA64/Core VID in HWiNFO64 is even higher than on Rampage IV Black Edition.
P9X79 Deluxe during idle.

P9X79 Deluxe at load.


So which one seems better to you?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I made a comparison between P9X79 Deluxe and Rampage IV Black Edition. I used the same BIOS settings for E5-1680V2 on both motherboards: Vcore - 1.27V, CPU Load-line calibration - High.
It seems that P9X79 Deluxe has no VRM sensor, while Rampage IV Black Edition VRM sensors are probably detected by Hwinfo as Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5.

Note the discrepancy between CPU Core in AIDA64/Core Voltage in CPU-Z/VCCIN in HWiNFO64 and CPU VID in AIDA64/Core VID in HWiNFO64.
Rampage IV Black Edition during idle.
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Rampage IV Black Edition at load.
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Note the discrepancy between CPU Core in AIDA64/Core Voltage in CPU-Z/Vcore in HWiNFO64 and CPU VID in AIDA64/Core VID in HWiNFO64 is even higher than on Rampage IV Black Edition.
P9X79 Deluxe during idle.
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P9X79 Deluxe at load.
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So which one seems better to you?

Well...Your CPU temps on both boards seems GREAT but if that VRM reading is correct 103c is a bit toasty...I mean is probably nothing to wrry about as that temps is only under heavy load like Prime 95 so I am guessing in games and daily activities this is certainly under 50-60c right?

 

[lexluthermiester]

So which one seems better to you?

I'd go with the Rampage and keep the other as a spare. Also, get that bclk above 100mhz. Try 101 or 102 mhz. That's a bit of a nitpick on my part but I like to see parts running at or above their rated spec.

 

[drizzler]

while Rampage IV Black Edition VRM sensors are probably detected by Hwinfo as Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5.

Temp 3,4,5 are the optional temp probe readings which are "dead" without an attached probing cable/sensor, the temp2 i do not know but it is no vrm reading (i have watercooling and the item is not moving from 92degree), so i guess it is just a dead reading from hwinfo.

 

[wanna_buy]

Temp 3,4,5 are the optional temp probe readings which are "dead" without an attached probing cable/sensor, the temp2 i do not know but it is no vrm reading (i have watercooling and the item is not moving from 92degree), so i guess it is just a dead reading from hwinfo.

Glad to see another person owning Rampage IV Black Edition. What is you Vcore set at in BIOS and CPU Load-line calibration? What is Core Voltage reading under load in CPU-Z?

 

[drizzler]

Glad to see another person owning Rampage IV Black Edition. What is you Vcore set at in BIOS and CPU Load-line calibration? What is Core Voltage reading under load in CPU-Z?

Ah i think some more people running this thread are using BE.
1.225 @ bios with 1.216 cpu-z idle and 1.2 load (vrm setts : LLC extreme with current inrush enabled). 4,514ghz with ddr3 2600. Tested 4,6 ghz with 1,26 vcore, 4,7ghz with under 1.3 but have to reduce ramspeed for it quite a lot. Current settings are the sweetspot for me. Maybe 4.6 are doable with some tweaking with < 1.25vcore under load but for me it is not worth the hassle at the moment.