Big trouble : suddenly my apps take minutes to load with win 11

[Plumelourde]

oh boy.....

you have 6 boot partitions

i think your PC has a problem allocating disks, you have too many logical and primary partitions mixed

I don't understand this. I have just 6 disk. only one is partitioned.
The windows one is partitioned by windows.

Clean up your prefetch folder and run CCleaner. Make sure you have swapfile and its set to the right size.

What prefetch folder? And Swapfile

Disconnect your internet and see if they load faster

You may be having issues with a VPN/firewall/network, slowing them down as they try to connect to something online


And the obvious... run a decent antivirus and malwarebytes?

No virus no maleware, all clean. Its the same without vpn firewall antivirus



Edit 01 news: What I did:

-"CHKDSK /F /X" => restart => it works for now
-"DISM /ONLINE /CLEANUP-IMAGE /RESTOREHEALTH" + "SFC /SCANNOW" => no more problem for now.

Il try all you said when the problem come back


Edit 02 @plastiscɧ : here ;-) https://ibb.co/v3VYbhv


EDIT 03: problem came back 10 minutes later. I cut internet = no effect

 

[plastiscɧ]

I don't understand this. I have just 6 disk. only one is partitioned.
The windows one is partitioned by windows.

u have 17 partitions to be precise

 

[Plumelourde]

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u have 17 partitions to be precise

I dont made these partition... exemple: jeux is new... just put in and make a volume, it's all...
The only one i made is on disk 2

 

[plastiscɧ]

I dont made these partition... exemple: jeux is new... just put in and make a volume, it's all...
The only one i made is on disk 2

i believe u. but they are existent.

show me the upper part pls.

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can u show me this section as well?

it was the windows internal partition program u showed me yesterday with the BLACK 500MB

 

[Plumelourde]

i believe u. but they are existent.




can u show me this section as well?

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Where is this part?

 

[plastiscɧ]

Where is this part?

there is a slider... put i down

 

[Plumelourde]

there is a slider... put i down

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this : https://ibb.co/v3VYbhv ?

 

[plastiscɧ]

this : https://ibb.co/v3VYbhv ?

sorry forgot to say click this button as well, my bad!

 

[Plumelourde]

Ok sorry but i have also probleme with my capture app (from win 11) : it take a looooooot of time to save my files.
here: https://ibb.co/DRfjnd1


I ask my self if i don't try a repear install of windows 11
Or a clean install...

 

[plastiscɧ]

Ok sorry but i have also probleme with my capture app (from win 11) : it take a looooooot of time to save my files.
here: https://ibb.co/DRfjnd1


I ask my self if i don't try a repear install of windows 11
Or a clean install...

my research has revealed the following:
your C: hard disk is not correctly partitioned.

100MB>>16MB>>windows>> recovery.
your bootloader and MSR partitions are spread over several hard disks and partly 5 times. Microsoft is very vague about the function of this MSR. however, it is already obvious that you have file problems. you have too long access times of the programs.

on your C: drive it is missing and not in the right place.
even if you don't have any problems with the harddisk on C: and have problems elsewhere, i can tell you that sooner or later you won't be able to create backups because your harddisk doesn't have the appropriate file structure. that's why the inplace upgrade didn't work.

I recommend you to install the drive C: clean. the other hard disks are actually okayish and can be left as they are.

also download samsung magician and update the firmware of the nvme SSDs.

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you installed win 11 on a second PC yesterday.., right?

do the following as a TEST. install all the mindblowing programs on THAT PC as well. and observe.

this will show you where the dog lies buried...

 

[Plumelourde]

my research has revealed the following:
your C: hard disk is not correctly partitioned.

100MB>>16MB>>windows>> recovery.
your bootloader and MSR partitions are spread over several hard disks and partly 5 times. Microsoft is very vague about the function of this MSR. however, it is already obvious that you have file problems. you have too long access times of the programs.

on your C: drive it is missing and not in the right place.
even if you don't have any problems with the harddisk on C: and have problems elsewhere, i can tell you that sooner or later you won't be able to create backups because your harddisk doesn't have the appropriate file structure. that's why the inplace upgrade didn't work.

I recommend you to install the drive C: clean. the other hard disks are actually okayish and can be left as they are.

also download samsung magician and update the firmware of the nvme SSDs.

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you installed win 11 on a second PC yesterday.., right?

do the following as a TEST. install all the mindblowing programs on THAT PC as well. and observe.

this will show you where the dog lies buried...

Ok
Couple questions though:
1) clean install on c: => if i use install with usb key, it reinstalls and change all the disk (with the good partition)? No need to do anything else?
2) For the others disk... why i have these tiny partition? I use windows disk manager to start the new disks... Would it be better otherwise? What can i do to solve this?
3) In Aomi, one disk is with an exclamation mark red/// Must i change it?
4) other problem : My games... is there possibility to link new install with the already installed games (steam epic and so on).

To be honest im really frightened to to a clean install

 

[MentalAcetylide]

How does one manage to end up with so many partitions???
According to him, its Windows 11 that is doing this on its own, if I'm understanding correctly?

 

[Plumelourde]

How does one manage to end up with so many partitions???
According to him, its Windows 11 that is doing this on its own, if I'm understanding correctly?

When i install a disk. With disk manager I have to launch the new disk. I just push the button nothing more.

EDIT: impossible to install windows 11 im so screwed.

I make an usb key, I went to bios to boot on it (uefi mode). TPM is activated. Healthcare check tells me all is ok (normal 'im already on win11)... but when i begin the install it tells: the requirements are not fullfilled... so screwed!

 

[HD64G]

I would just backup the partition containing the data of the os disk and when installing the os again after a format, I would restore it back. Have done it in the past due to some partitions creating problems with win10 and didn't have any problem afterwards.

 

[Plumelourde]

I would just backup the partition containing the data of the os disk and when installing the os again after a format, I would restore it back. Have done it in the past due to some partitions creating problems with win10 and didn't have any problem afterwards.

ok but i cannot make a clean install of win 11

 

[Mussels]

Whenever you install windows, REMOVE ALL OTHER STORAGE DRIVES.
Your bootloader and recovery partitions can end up on seperate disks, and they are not visible within windows normally (they do not get assigned drive letters)
(Windows throws things on what it sees as drive 0 - the problem is that drive 0 could be sata port 0, when you're installing to NVME... or the other way around)

The worst possible outcome of this, is that you can format, erase or remove a drive you think is just file storage and suddenly windows is no longer functional.

To completely erase a drive and remove those hidden partitions requires a third party tool, or using Diskpart (a command line tool in windows) to "clean" a disk (my preference, but it 100% erases all data off the drive)

Use Rufus to make a windows 11 USB installer and choose the option that has TPM and secureboot removed - theres a guide in my signature at the bottom of this post 'Windows/OS USB installer guide!' - look for Rufus, and follow the instructions there.

*side note* I'm wondering if part of the issue is that your C: drive is MBR partitioned and needs to be converted to GPT
If so, this is a guide in how to clean and convert the drive, from the windows installer

Spoiler

To make it simpler for you:
1. Backup anything important off your windows drive, save it on another drive
2. Use Rufus to make a windows 11 USB with secureboot and TPM removed, from a legit windows 11 ISO file
3. power off machine, disconnect all storage devices (hard drives, flash drives, card readers, smart phones, etc) except the drive windows is going to, and installing from
4. in the windows installer, delete all the partitions that show on your C: drive and let it start fresh (If this fails, see the above spoiler about converting to GPT)
5. Only after windows is succesfully installed and booting, should you power off and connect your other storage drives

 

[Plumelourde]

... thank you for you advice.
8 hours... it took me 8 hours to clean install windows 11...
So many problem. So many thing to resolve... Microsoft, Asus, Intel, they work together against each others and agains the user or what? Oo
And I didn't finished yeat. I have problem with drivers on my motherboard and intel thingies...

BUT, no more lag at app launch and no more phantom partition.
Thank you !

 

[plastiscɧ]

... thank you for you advice.
8 hours... it took me 8 hours to clean install windows 11...
So many problem. So many thing to resolve... Microsoft, Asus, Intel, they work together against each others and agains the user or what? Oo
And I didn't finished yeat. I have problem with drivers on my motherboard and intel thingies...

BUT, no more lag at app launch and no more phantom partition.
Thank you !

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@Mussels
thank you for the good summary #41 !!

 

[Mussels]

... thank you for you advice.
8 hours... it took me 8 hours to clean install windows 11...
So many problem. So many thing to resolve... Microsoft, Asus, Intel, they work together against each others and agains the user or what? Oo
And I didn't finished yeat. I have problem with drivers on my motherboard and intel thingies...

BUT, no more lag at app launch and no more phantom partition.
Thank you !

That is really strange, with a USB drive i can install 11 in about 5 minutes, with ~30 minutes for drivers and essential programs
Glad it's all working, but what step did you get held up at? Might have some advice there for next time

 

[Plumelourde]

That is really strange, with a USB drive i can install 11 in about 5 minutes, with 0 minutes for drivers and essential programs
Glad it's all working, but what step did you get held up at? Might have some advice there for next time

1) the problem with my apps make all teh process worse.
2) USB key failed the first time
3) I have windows 11 running => so trying to boot on the key. => this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11 :-/ yeah yeah....
4) Bios problem? +> reupdating, see all is ok... (tpm)... yeah all is ok.
5) USB boot => this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
6) Healthcare to see (on windows 11). Nope no problem
7) Retry with usb => this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
8) Redo the usb
9) Re verify bios
10) this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
11) Make an iso. Repearing win11.
12) Verify with healthcare => all is ok.
13) Verify Bios
15) Use iso on usb. => boot on usb.
16) this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
17) Use usb bootable
18) this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
19) Calling tech service microsoft (30 min) => "I'm not skilled enough" => 30 minutes => other one "I'm not skilled enough" => 30 minutes => other one "I'll help you, We'll find a waaaaaayyyy" = 1 hour to explain each step => "Here a special iso make a key" => "yeeeeeah".
20) understanding NTFS is better to put big file on a usb key... (yeah i'm not informatician)
21) Boot on the iso key
22) this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11.
23) Healthcare = all is ok.
24) 1 hour trying all possible thing in bios. ALLLLLLLLLL OFFFFFFFFF IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT (i'm sure some geek looooooooooove to read cryptic messages and options... but really when it's not your thing...).
And... and .... and .... I See "OS TYPE" in secure boot... Yep. It was the one.

Uefi or other os... I don't know anymore what i put... just the other option (the not "normal one" I thought other os but not sure)...
I was a little tired... 8 hours for win 11

 

[Caring1]

And... and .... and .... I See "OS TYPE" in secure boot... Yep. It was the one.

Uefi or other os... I don't know anymore what i put... just the other option (the not "normal one" I thought other os but not sure)...
I was a little tired... 8 hours for win 11

They really shouldn't put that option in the Bios anymore.

 

[Mussels]

3) I have windows 11 running => so trying to boot on the key. => this pc doesnt fit the requirement for win 11 :-/ yeah yeah....


^ How?
Use rufus, make the install TPM and secure boot free. Works on any machine, no downsides.

Sounds like you were copying an ISO file direct to the USB key, which is not how it works. You need a program to read from the ISO, to format and create a bootable USB drive. Rufus simplifies all that, and automates it.