i9 12900k temperature problem

[Zazii]

Good afternoon, A week ago installed fresh build, with new z690 mobo and i9 12900k, CPU temps were 60 in games.. But suddenly a day ago, while playing, temperatures started to spike between 60-80.. Like.. one moment it is 60, then 68, 75, 70, 81, 69 etc. changing fast. Thought maybe it happens in one game, so tried another 2 games, same thing.. Any ideas?. Temps checked via MSI afterburner, core temp, and etc.. No overclocked parts. Tried reinstall windows - nothing. Tried reapply thermal paste - nothing. Actually noticed, that CPU usage also higher, spikes to 65%. Maybe CPU itself failing? Any knowlegde would be helpful! Cooler - corsair h150i elite capellix. AtIDLE it stays 28-35 so I assume, cooler is fine.

 

[Vayra86]

Its normal, don't worry about it.

 

[Zazii]

Its normal, don't worry about it.

How it can be normal? never happened like this before.. Anyway, as I said, for one week, temps were 58-62 in games, no changes.. And from nowhere started jumping like crazy. I understand jumps up to 65 maybe, but not to 80+. Overclocked with AI overclock, temps jumped up to 86 even.

 

[Vayra86]

Load spikes, your thermal solution which apparently changed... 80C is a perfectly normal single core temp for these CPUs. 86C is also still within spec, and you say you get that with an overclock.

 

[Zazii]

Maybe it would be fine, if load would be 100% or close to it. Now, I was playing BFV for example, load around 35%, temps(Stock) 75-85, cannot aggree that it's normal. Watched tons of vids with same CPU, 57-63c... same temps, as mine before. But as I said, suddenly it spiked like crazy, and stayed like this.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I do not agree that such a change is "normal", but it may not be a problem either.

80°C is pretty warm, but 80°C when the system is taxed is not "hot".

How it can be normal? never happened like this before..

One week could hardly be called "never".

I say, leave your computer running each night. When Windows and all your programs are first installed, they start out way behind in updates and housekeeping chores. Give the computer time to catch up then see what happens.

As you note, your temps at idle are good. So yes, that suggests the cooler is fine. So leave the TIM (thermal interface material) alone before you accidentally destroy your CPU with ESD or abuse.

Are your case fans spinning?

How is your ambient (room) temps compared to a week ago?

Also, please fill out your TPU System Specs so we know what hardware we are dealing with.

 

[Zazii]

I do not agree that such a change is "normal", but it may not be a problem either.

80°C is pretty warm, but 80°C when the system is taxed is not "hot".


One week could hardly be called "never".

I say, leave your computer running each night. When Windows and all your programs are first installed, they start out way behind in updates and housekeeping chores. Give the computer time to catch up then see what happens.

As you note, your temps at idle are good. So yes, that suggests the cooler is fine. So leave the TIM (thermal interface material) alone before you accidentally destroy your CPU with ESD or abuse.

Are your case fans spinning?

How is your ambient (room) temps compared to a week ago?

Also, please fill out your TPU System Specs so we know what hardware we are dealing with.

Thanks for reply, filled. Yes, case fans are spinning, room temps 20-23c all the time. Anyway, if case fans would not be spinning, then temps would be higher, that is understandable. But not like this, spiking like crazy, lower, higher, each second different temps. Never experienced this before. Voltages are okay, staying around 1.3 as it should be, frequency staying constantly at boost speeds. Everything seems just working fine, besides temp spikes.
EDIT: actually noticed some FPS drops.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

And what kind of temps you have when you running some heavy CPU load?Did you tried running Cinebench R23,Prime 95,IBT?

 

[Bill_Bright]

But not like this, spiking like crazy, lower, higher, each second different temps.

I disagree. I am not saying all is good. We don't know that yet. But for sure, temps can indeed "spike like crazy". A CPU, for example, can go from cool to overheated in just a few clock cycles. And your CPU can run at over 5 billion clock cycles in just 1 seconds!

 

[Zazii]

And what kind of temps you have when you running some heavy CPU load?Did you tried running Cinebench R23,Prime 95,IBT?

Yeah I did cinebench before these temp changes.. Was around 80-85c.. I did again today, reached 85-95c, a few cores reached 100c.

 

[Vayra86]

oh no my silicon is get a bit warm (80°c) hell yeah GPU in the past did go up till 120+ °c.

And yeah the silicon says no i dont either work with 80°c cause its to warm,
holly shit are u totally brainfucked the working temp. for switches in silicon is up to 225 °c.

It would be only a problem for the soldering its stable till 150°c


Notebook GPU and CPU have a target for about 105°c

Apart from the language, are you? There are many components around the socket and on a CPU that wont do well over 100C. Memory ICs for example. Lets not go personal on OP for asking questions, rather explain why he sees what he sees?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Yeah I did cinebench before these temp changes.. Was around 80-85c.. I did again today, reached 85-95c, a few cores reached 100c.

Did you checked the cooler maybe it's not screwed well on one side or it's pop out a bit?

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah I did cinebench before these temp changes.. Was around 80-85c.. I did again today, reached 85-95c, a few cores reached 100c.

You reapplied paste. I would say you may have created your own reduced cooling capacity here. Was the die and plate on cooler spotless before you did? Is the same pressure applied? No overtightening?

Are you running the exact same scenarios here with the same background processes? I dare say this is near impossible going from new rig to fully installed and running over the course of little over a week. Windows will push updating in background too. Replicating is hard here.

This is why ive said what I said earlier. If you can bench and stress test within safe limits (95-100C) , look into the voltages the CPU is pushing and work down from there. That way you will get to know your CPU , its turbo behaviour and what voltages you can actually run within your desired temp target.

Dont assume your CPU is broken. They almost never are and every time you fiddle around the socket or cooler is introducing more risk. Take the software / undervolt approach first.

Spiky temps are very normal on Intel CPUs since Kaby Lake. Check it out

spike temp on intel at DuckDuckGo

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I struggled with it too when overclocking my 8700K. On air, I actually prefer running it at 4.6 Ghz all core... it is specced for 4.7 single.

 

[Zazii]

Did you checked the cooler maybe it's not screwed well on one side or it's pop out a bit?

It's attached correctly.. AS I mentioned before, for like 5-6 days temps were okay, and then instantly rised. When I reapplied the paste, checked if this was a case, seems everything was fine. Played a game a bit longer, temps were between 80-92c now, changing constantly.

I disagree. I am not saying all is good. We don't know that yet. But for sure, temps can indeed "spike like crazy". A CPU, for example, can go from cool to overheated in just a few clock cycles. And your CPU can run at over 5 billion clock cycles in just 1 seconds!

I agree, that temps can spike by doing something that makes CPU work rly hard.. But simple games, normally gives very minimal pressure on CPU. A few minutes ago I finished a game, wanted to see what temps it will be now.. Rised to 80-92c even... at 35-40% load. Maybe BIOS meesed up something, even though they are at default.

 

[Vayra86]

It's attached correctly.. AS I mentioned before, for like 5-6 days temps were okay, and then instantly rised. When I reapplied the paste, checked if this was a case, seems everything was fine. Played a game a bit longer, temps were between 80-92c now, changing constantly.


I agree, that temps can spike by doing something that makes CPU work rly hard.. But simple games, normally gives very minimal pressure on CPU. A few minutes ago I finished a game, wanted to see what temps it will be now.. Rised to 80-92c even... at 35-40% load. Maybe BIOS meesed up something, even though they are at default.

If your auto OC setting was applied at some point, settings may still be non-stock.

Verify that you are running stock first. If it is, 92C is high. But keep in mind these CPUs can boost for 241W worth. We have to know you're testing the same things here. 'I just did X and got temp' really isn't going to get you, or us, anywhere.

Use HWInfo and run something that usually gives you 'high' temps in your perception, and post the sensor data. Specifically, per core load/avg/max and vcore for each core, plus package Wattage.

This one

And these

 

[Bill_Bright]

But simple games, normally gives very minimal pressure on CPU.

Huh? Simple games? Simple games include solitaire, Tetris and the like. Not BFV. While BFV may not be the most demanding game out there, it still tasks your system.

Try running with the side panel open and blasting a desk fan in there to see what your temps are.

Also, and this is important, when you are playing and your temps shoot up, is your system still stable?

 

[plastiscɧ]

listen to @Vayra86 and @Bill_Bright -- they are right.

i recommend looking for the temperatures of the i9 predecessors , they were @100°C in some situations. so your 80°C is still not cosy but even not hot either.

and if you apply 241 watts, where do you think the converted energy goes?

 

[Zazii]

If your auto OC setting was applied at some point, settings may still be non-stock.

Verify that you are running stock first. If it is, 92C is high. But keep in mind these CPUs can boost for 241W worth. We have to know you're testing the same things here. 'I just did X and got temp' really isn't going to get you, or us, anywhere.

Use HWInfo and run something that usually gives you 'high' temps in your perception, and post the sensor data. Specifically, per core load/avg/max and vcore for each core, plus package Wattage.

This one
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And these

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There u go.

If your auto OC setting was applied at some point, settings may still be non-stock.

Verify that you are running stock first. If it is, 92C is high. But keep in mind these CPUs can boost for 241W worth. We have to know you're testing the same things here. 'I just did X and got temp' really isn't going to get you, or us, anywhere.

Use HWInfo and run something that usually gives you 'high' temps in your perception, and post the sensor data. Specifically, per core load/avg/max and vcore for each core, plus package Wattage.

This one
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And these

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There u go.

Huh? Simple games? Simple games include solitaire, Tetris and the like. Not BFV. While BFV may not be the most demanding game out there, it still tasks your system.

Try running with the side panel open and blasting a desk fan in there to see what your temps are.

Also, and this is important, when you are playing and your temps shoot up, is your system still stable?

I think I have enough fans already 6 intake, 3 exhaust. Yes, system feels stable besides that When it reach peak temps, I feel that it's strugling to maintain high FPS.. Voltage, core frequency remains the same.

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listen to @Vayra86 and @Bill_Bright -- they are right.

i recommend looking for the temperatures of the i9 predecessors , they were @100°C in some situations. so your 80°C is still not cosy but even not hot either.

and if you apply 241 watts, where do you think the converted energy goes?

I understand those 100c temps under stress tests.. But in games? cmon.. My CPU has pretty good cooler, and plenty of fans with optimal airflow. Anyway, if this somehow would be a cooling problem, I assume temperatures would rise, and stay at the same level, like 78-81.. But not jumping for WTF reason.. In BIOS I noticed, that next to the AI OC, Cooler PT has decreased, from 164 before, to 150 at this moment.. The higher points, the better cooling for CPU(that's what AI predicts), idk if it's means something, but anyway, wanted to say ;D

 

[plastiscɧ]

There u go.

There u go.


I think I have enough fans already 6 intake, 3 exhaust. Yes, system feels stable besides that When it reach peak temps, I feel that it's strugling to maintain high FPS.. Voltage, core frequency remains the same.


I understand those 100c temps under stress tests.. But in games? cmon.. My CPU has pretty good cooler, and plenty of fans with optimal airflow. Anyway, if this somehow would be a cooling problem, I assume temperatures would rise, and stay at the same level, like 78-81.. But not jumping for WTF reason.. In BIOS I noticed, that next to the AI OC, Cooler PT has decreased, from 164 before, to 150 at this moment.. The higher points, the better cooling for CPU(that's what AI predicts), idk if it's means something, but anyway, wanted to say ;D

nevertheless, i still think that everything has been said.
your statement: "in games come on..." should perhaps be addressed to intel.
the core is simply not too hot at 80°C.

you run so much power through your CPU you could drive a car with it

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small update:

mine while playing

considering the fact that you are adding twice as much energy as mine needs in the peak, simply don't be wondered that it gets very hot. it's entirely normal.

 

[Vayra86]

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Refer to earlier comments. It may be a hard pill to swallow, but that's why we read reviews before buying. There is a whole stack of less power hungry CPUs with lower core counts that would probably peak lower and game the exact same.

The peak clock of 5.2 Ghz is too much, clearly, because the cores that show a max at 5.2 Ghz are also the ones running into 90C.
The vcore you get at that point on those cores is 1.35V (give or take, account for vdroop), so that is your upper limit right there. If you want to get this CPU under control, take that as a first guideline for your '24/7' settings. I'd suggest aiming for 1.3V and then getting maximum core performance for your use case out of it. I'm not experienced with ADL overclocking yet, but undervolting and disabling E-cores seems like a good start, capping turbo at 5.0 or 5.1 Ghz would also be a path.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Is the cooler getting saturated? I run a 2 rad custom loop on my 12700k and even that can crack 80c on 100% load and yours is a 12900k

 

[vMax65]

Not sure if resolved but a couple of things, one the H150 Elite capelix, is it attached with the socket 1700 bracket or are you using the original bracket with the Asus 1200 holes? I have the Asus Strix-A D4 and originally I used the socket 1200 holes as I did not have the socket 1700 bracket and temps were higher, now with the socket 1700 bracket my temps are fine. Also are you on the latest 0807 BIOS and I just noticed a new one the 0907 which seems to have just come out..

Also are you running with all limits enabled?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Not sure if resolved but a couple of things, one the H150 Elite capelix, is it attached with the socket 1700 bracket or are you using the original bracket with the Asus 1200 holes? I have the Asus Strix-A D4 and originally I used the socket 1200 holes as I did not have the socket 1700 bracket and temps were higher, now with the socket 1700 bracket my temps are fine. Also are you on the latest 0807 BIOS and I just noticed a new one the 0907 which seems to have just come out..

Also are you running with all limits enabled?

Just looked, i have the same board. it's 0901

 

[vMax65]

Just looked, i have the same board. it's 0901

Have you tried it yet? I always wait a while for some feedback before updating to a newer BIOS as you never know....

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Have you tried it yet? I always wait a while for some feedback before updating to a newer BIOS as you never know....

Just flashed it, no problems. Did a google too and it seems positive with memory stuff. With it being such a new platform, i think it's a good idea to keep up to date with the bios updates.