Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

[RJARRRPCGP]

... It did? I thought it was just a redirect to the Start screen...

It wasn't a redirect to the "Start screen".

 

[Deleted member 202104]

... It did? I thought it was just a redirect to the Start screen...

You're correct.

It wasn't a redirect to the "Start screen".

It did. 8.1 started at the desktop, but if you clicked the start button, it brought up the start screen.

 

[chrcoluk]

Video guide made by Tek Syndicate to add some sanity back to the UI, I see the icons can be shrunk now but that tool needs a very small and remove padding option then we getting somewhere. The padding on the explorer toolbar as well, just wow.

On padding skip to 20:55 (removed the direct skip link it wasnt skipping properly sorry)

 

[lexluthermiester]

It did. 8.1 started at the desktop, but if you clicked the start button, it brought up the start screen.

Pretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.

 

[chrcoluk]

Yeah I used startisback with 8, it made it usable but Microsoft were guilty of the trying to tablet the OS in 8 and 8.1.

They partially backed down in 10 and I did think they had learnt the error of their ways at that point until 11 came. But it is good so many people are releasing tweaks to fix the UI already. I am reasonably confident now when the day comes I will need to use 11, it will be a comfortable experience. But I still wont move until I need to.

Of course 10 has its own padding issues check the size of this toolbar

 

[ARF]

My Windows 10 is perfectly fine. Windows 11 is MS' absolutely unnecessary flop adventure..

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well i have a perfectly small taskbar in win 11 with a proper sized clock

 

[chrcoluk]

My Windows 10 is perfectly fine. Windows 11 is MS' absolutely unnecessary flop adventure..

I do as well, its just that one box that for some reason is odd lol.

Right click in explorer and choose add network location, its probably a bug.

 

[bug]

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Pretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.

I still like this one better:

https://imgur.com/d1Rd8

 

[lexluthermiester]

I still like this one better:

https://imgur.com/d1Rd8

I've seen that, very cool! Kinda prefer this version though;

 

[Liquid Cool]

Pretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.

LLM,

I nabbed a copy of that for my archives....


Here is my Start Menu...it makes perfect sense to me.



Sooner or later a fella gets tired of having to pay Stardock to correct Mafiasofts dystopian diarrhea. First with Windows 8(8.1), then Windows 10. Although...when they really started going after the Control Panel...that was the last straw for me. It's hard to like something where the developer doesn't listen to your needs.

Perhaps its because I'm older and while I don't mind change...it needs to be for the better. If it enhances productivity...fine. If it enhances confusion? Windows 11?

None of the changes they've made since Windows 7 make any sense to me and I increasingly want to level the accusation that they don't have a clue as to what they're doing...they never have. The tiles still don't make sense.

From my perspective...with one company having such a foothold in the market...it's stifling innovation.

Best,

Liquid Cool

P.S. Switched to Librewolf as of late. Excellent browser...almost ready for Prime time.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Sooner or later a fella gets tired of having to pay Stardock to correct Mafiasofts dystopian diarrhea.

This is one of the reason I take every opportunity to mention Open Shell(Classic Shell previously). It's open source and wonderfully excellent! Honestly, Stardock's start menu isn't very different and Open Shell has a few more options & fine grained tweaks that I love.

Releases · Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

Classic Shell Reborn. Contribute to Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

The good thing is that it works perfectly on Windows 11 as long as you move the Start menu to the left and replace the start button with a custom one. The devs are currently working on an update for Win11. The new shell hooks seem to be a challenge, but I feel confident they'll sort it out.

P.S. Switched to Librewolf as of late. Excellent browser...almost ready for Prime time.

I'll give that a try! Looks interesting. Do the extensions work the same way? That's a very important feature to me..

 

[Liquid Cool]

I'll give that a try! Looks interesting. Do the extensions work the same way? That's a very important feature to me..

LLM...

If they didn't work perfectly...I wouldn't be using it.

There are quite a few extensions I can't live without too. Currently using Ublock Origin, Privacy Badger, h264ify(to block 60fps videos), BlockTube, SponsorBlock, Feneas SearX, Gibiru, Plasma Integration, and Easy Youtube Video Downloader Express without a single hitch.



I've been watching this browser closely since day one and i like what I'm seeing here. Their recent site updates help round out the improvements. Now...just about anyone can install the browser with ease and get updates.

It's beta enough for me to daily drive it...I don't mind if they hit a curb or two....

Best,

Liquid Cool

P.S. I'll check into OpenShell.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If they didn't work perfectly...I wouldn't be using it.

Fair enough. Had to ask..

 

[Space Lynx]

Microsoft desktop should be a standard like KDE or Gnome.

I don't believe they understand the damage they do to their brand.


I have a 5950 X machine for music production(fun) and a 7900X machine for numerical math(work).

Neither machine meets the windows 11 specks.

they don't have to understand, they know they have a monopoly for majority of games. like me, its only place I can play Endwalker. PS5's are sold out everywhere... so yeah... PC is only option, Endwalker doesn't work with Proton/Linux

 

[cst1992]

None of the changes they've made since Windows 7 make any sense to me and I increasingly want to level the accusation that they don't have a clue as to what they're doing...they never have. The tiles still don't make sense.

I hated the tile change that they made with Win8 and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero, so on my main(old) desktop I am still using Windows 7 SP1. Yes, I know it's out of date, but still.
Here's my desktop(minus the icons):

That to the right is a software called Moo0 System Monitor(yes, really). Despite the funny name, it's quite useful to keep an eye on things and notice any problems before they cause damage(e.g. overheating CPU).

There used to be a CPU temp sensor as well, but it's showing a blank value nowadays - dunno why.

 

[bobbybluz]

I only have one evening of playing around with my new Win 11 build. It's more of a dull thud than a flop to me so far. Tonight I'll see what I can mod on it and see if I can make it usable to my needs or Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going in.

 

[lexluthermiester]

and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero

In many ways, Windows 11 brought the Aero desktop back. Their just not directly calling it that. It's one of the many changes I like about Win11.

Tonight I'll see what I can mod on it and see if I can make it usable to my needs or Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going in.

While LTSC is a good way to go, try to ignore the negative nonsense and give Win11 an open-minded go. Just make sure you disable TPM and SecureBoot. You will still have updates.

 

[InVasMani]

I hated the tile change that they made with Win8 and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero, so on my main(old) desktop I am still using Windows 7 SP1. Yes, I know it's out of date, but still.
Here's my desktop(minus the icons):
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That to the right is a software called Moo0 System Monitor(yes, really). Despite the funny name, it's quite useful to keep an eye on things and notice any problems before they cause damage(e.g. overheating CPU).

There used to be a CPU temp sensor as well, but it's showing a blank value nowadays - dunno why.

Sick ray tracing looks so life like!

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

they don't have to understand, they know they have a monopoly for majority of games. like me, its only place I can play Endwalker. PS5's are sold out everywhere... so yeah... PC is only option, Endwalker doesn't work with Proton/Linux

As in 14 online? Proton DB has it listed as platinum:

https://www.protondb.com/app/39210

If it's an expansion that doesnt work, give it time. Someone will get it working sooner or later, especially since the base game already works, and the game does have a mac version, so getting the codebase to work on linux shouldnt be too hard.

I get it though, I have to maintain a seperate windows install just for halo infinite, and with 11 I cant use my backup system, as it's ivy bridge and cannot support windows 11. Meaning that while halo infinite still supports 10, for now, it's at the end of the road in a year or two. I'll have to buy new hardware, even though there is nothing wrong with the setup as is.

 

[lexluthermiester]

and with 11 I cant use my backup system, as it's ivy bridge and cannot support windows 11.

Nonsense. Windows 11 runs well on every system from a Pentium4 on up. Install Windows 11 with the TPM bypass, enjoy.

 

[bug]

Nonsense. Windows 11 runs well on every system from a Pentium4 on up. Install Windows 11 with the TPM bypass, enjoy.

Technically correct, but still there's no reason to bother. Win11 just doesn't do anything 10 doesn't (bonus points for phrasing). I'm still considering giving it a try on my old Skylake laptop, but I will not mess up my main rig until Micorsoft makes up its mind about these soft restrictions. Save for a few things I don't care to run on Wine, I'm spending most of my time on Linux anyway

 

[lexluthermiester]

Win11 just doesn't do anything 10 doesn't

Nonsense. Win11 does plenty. The UI is much better to use. While it has a few quirks(which are easily tweaked), it is a much better experience. Legacy program compatibility has been improved and

I'm still considering giving it a try on my old Skylake laptop

Do so. You need hands on to understand it better.

but I will not mess up my main rig until Micorsoft makes up its mind about these soft restrictions.

They already have. While 11 will run on unsupported hardware, it will not be officially supported, which just means no official tech support. That's it. Updates still work as does everything else.

Seriously, give it an objective go and you'll see why some people like it.

 

[bug]

Nonsense. Win11 does plenty. The UI is much better to use. While it has a few quirks(which are easily tweaked), it is a much better experience. Legacy program compatibility has been improved and

Do so. You need hands on to understand it better.

They already have. While 11 will run on unsupported hardware, it will not be officially supported, which just means no official tech support. That's it. Updates still work as does everything else.

Seriously, give it an objective go and you'll see why some people like it.

I will give it a try when I'll have some free time on my hands, but you have to realize that even you couldn't follow up on "Win11 does plenty" with anything other than "The UI is much better to use".
Having stuck with Windows since 3.11, I'm used to periodically learning to do the same things in a different way. But since my main driver is KDE, it's hard for an UI to impress me these days

 

[BiggieShady]

Hated what they did with win8 start screen, tiles and all the flatness, win10 brought back start menu but flatness and tiles carried over ... I don't know what it is, subtle gradient borders or bit of roundness, flatness is more palatable now, I actually have no issues with win11 changes - even centered taskbar as default ... works well on bigger laptops with centered touchpads, and I was so convinced I'll hate it - go figure.