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If anybody needs a complete RIV BE OC panel assembly PM me. I should have it back from USPS in a week or so. Even though Ebay said it was mine to keep I tried doing the right thing and shipped it to a NYC address I was given by the lowlife seller that tried scamming me on the defective RIV BE motherboard (that went back to Pakistan). USPS tracking shows it was undeliverable and is on the way back to me. Now he's claiming I used the wrong address even though I shipped it to the address he gave me in NYC. He still owes me shipping fees but wants me to send it to the same bad address at my expense again. Ebay told me Monday to ignore him and do whatever I want with it because the case is closed in my favor.

I'd much rather somebody in this forum gets it than putting it up on Ebay.
 
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If anybody needs a complete RIV BE OC panel assembly PM me. I should have it back from USPS in a week or so. Even though Ebay said it was mine to keep I tried doing the right thing and shipped it to a NYC address I was given by the lowlife seller that tried scamming me on the defective RIV BE motherboard (that went back to Pakistan). USPS tracking shows it was undeliverable and is on the way back to me. Now he's claiming I used the wrong address even though I shipped it to the address he gave me in NYC. He still owes me shipping fees but wants me to send it to the same bad address at my expense again. Ebay told me Monday to ignore him and do whatever I want with it because the case is closed in my favor.

I'd much rather somebody in this forum gets it than putting it up on Ebay.
Your first post stated that the motherboard was shipped from Europe. Pakistan is in South Asia, not Europe. Is this listing by the same seller? https://www.ebay.com/itm/265421930380
 
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How's everyone doing? I know Bobby and couple others had stuff they had just bought or were preparing to tinker with....any Holiday action on pc's going on?
Everything is here for my new 12700K build except for the energy required to do the needed case mod for the AIO then assemble & configure everything. The side effects of the cancer drugs have me seriously dragging ass again and I start more physical therapy Wednesday (that never turns out well for me, I'm close to 70 years old and the PT person is always less than half my age. I'm retired and have more than earned the right to be lazy if I feel like it when I want to. They don't have a clue as to why I regard them mostly as giant pains in the ass. If they make it to my age they'll understand though).

I did go get what I needed to make a rolling platform for the gigantic Cooler Master Cosmos II case this afternoon. Doing that wiped me out but following a nap I'll start on that this evening. After that and doing the case mods needed to externally mount the radiator and fans it should go together fairly quickly. I'll be putting Win 11 Pro on it to start with but have 10 LTSC on hand if 11 turns out to be the dud many claim it is.

My main X79 rig got a complete cleaning and new Seasonic Focus GX-850 PSU last weekend. I built that thing exactly 9 years ago and the only parts left from the original build are the case and motherboard. There's nothing left to upgrade on it now.
 
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Everything is here for my new 12700K build except for the energy required to do the needed case mod for the AIO then assemble & configure everything. The side effects of the cancer drugs have me seriously dragging ass again and I start more physical therapy Wednesday (that never turns out well for me, I'm close to 70 years old and the PT person is always less than half my age. I'm retired and have more than earned the right to be lazy if I feel like it when I want to. They don't have a clue as to why I regard them mostly as giant pains in the ass. If they make it to my age they'll understand though).

I did go get what I needed to make a rolling platform for the gigantic Cooler Master Cosmos II case this afternoon. Doing that wiped me out but following a nap I'll start on that this evening. After that and doing the case mods needed to externally mount the radiator and fans it should go together fairly quickly. I'll be putting Win 11 Pro on it to start with but have 10 LTSC on hand if 11 turns out to be the dud many claim it is.

My main X79 rig got a complete cleaning and new Seasonic Focus GX-850 PSU last weekend. I built that thing exactly 9 years ago and the only parts left from the original build are the case and motherboard. There's nothing left to upgrade on it now.
Awesome stuff! Cancer 's a bitch and so is rehab. God speed on recovery and your mental state as well!

I actually broke down myself and between 200$ gift card at Newegg and saving almost 300$ through Amazon I ordered a 12900k and all pieces I need. Don't have AIO picked out
 
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Hope you're doing well Bobby, just from the human perspective, jumping out of the ironic massivity of the plug and play/online world we engage in here for well wishes.

I have most of my stuff in fellas! Most is from Newegg, got bunch of fans on Ebay because the Silverstones I have are great...but had multiples of them get "stuck" on low speed and with some soldering you could fix that but yeah...not my thing (yet) and almost not worth the effort even for a decently expensive fan. So...I found same fans (essentially) but slightly higher cfm and NO speed control so that won't be an issue, and as a bonus this version does have a reversible flow switch!

I'll post some pictures of the box stack that came in days ago, along with the components, case, etc. Basically I'm missing a motherboard, and cooling system. Mostly doing research particularly on motherboards to get the best ddr4 version I can that has beefy vrm's to OC the 12900k as well as the fast ddr4 memory I got. Also got a pump/reservoir unit to plug into my current X79 system....trying for the highest OC I can get on water and got a d5 pump that does 1,500 ml an hour....versus the 200 ml or so my current setup has. Got a few of the hobbled fans in build so will swap those out as well and get everything as optimal as I can get it.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you! I'm trying to do all this and not neglect my family too much :).
 
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Happy New Year everyone! Hope you are enjoying time with family and friends! Maybe even some time tweaking or playing with your pcs!

I have my case, cpu, memory, psu, mobo, fans and gpu in hand now... Waiting on my aio and 1700 socket for it.
May order few more things but speakers, mouse etc I may just pick up at local best buy... Will post pics soon of my components and later the build as I put it together. Very excited! First time since 2012 I got newest tech available!
 
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I've got a lot of New Years resolutions this year; you know, it was to the point I didn't even bother doing so anymore, but this year I found someone to walk beside me and God and do our best to make it happen.

I know you all have your joys and your burdens and I just invite you to take on 2022 with renewed vigor, regardless of how 2021 was.

Happy New Year all!

Also on a much more tech related note...my build is coming along nicely so far, considering technically I haven't built anything just ordered it and assembled a pile of parts. However as I find time I will post pics of what I'm working with and let you know how it works out...then of course some benchmarking and comparing to this system as it is will be rather interesting....

So far I have the Case, the motherboard, the memory, 1700 socket adaptor for cooler on it's way, fans, aforemention AIO cooler, and the power supply. For now will just swap keyboard/mouse/monitor as needed but first have to get it all together anyway so by tonight the AIO is coming and I believe that will be all I need to put it all together!
 
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I've got a lot of New Years resolutions this year; you know, it was to the point I didn't even bother doing so anymore, but this year I found someone to walk beside me and God and do our best to make it happen.

I know you all have your joys and your burdens and I just invite you to take on 2022 with renewed vigor, regardless of how 2021 was.

Happy New Year all!

Also on a much more tech related note...my build is coming along nicely so far, considering technically I haven't built anything just ordered it and assembled a pile of parts. However as I find time I will post pics of what I'm working with and let you know how it works out...then of course some benchmarking and comparing to this system as it is will be rather interesting....

So far I have the Case, the motherboard, the memory, 1700 socket adaptor for cooler on it's way, fans, aforemention AIO cooler, and the power supply. For now will just swap keyboard/mouse/monitor as needed but first have to get it all together anyway so by tonight the AIO is coming and I believe that will be all I need to put it all together!
It will be cool to see the difference mostly in gaming between 1680 V2 and 12900k 'tho I guess the difference(gap) will depends the most from your GPU and the resolution you playing........
 
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My new 12700K rig is around 90% completed. It's up and running with Win 11 Enterprise on it. All I have left to do is install a few internal fans then put the side panels back on the gargantuan Cooler Master Cosmos II case.

I'm trying to decide what to do with my second Sabertooth X79/ 1680 V2 setup. The mobo has the CPU in it and is sitting in in a drawer in my spare parts rack. I was going to use them to regut my Cosmos 1000 that's been running an ASRock X87 Extreme6/ 4790K setup for nearly a decade now. I have an Asus Z170 Maximus Hero with a 7700K in it sitting here that offers more functionality but not quad channel memory like the X79 has. I'll most likely keep the spare X79 setup stashed for spare parts in case anything dies in my main X79 rig that gets regular use. Then there are my two X99 Xeon rigs plus my Z390 Asus Maximus XI Hero WiFi/ 9900K that are all up and running perfectly. I'm actually out of space to put another complete system into use even though I have everything on hand to do it.

Anyway; best wishes to everybody for a safe, happy, prosperous 2022 and may our mutual computer addiction continue to be a point of friendship for all of us on the extreme fringes of this hobby.
 
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It will be cool to see the difference mostly in gaming between 1680 V2 and 12900k 'tho I guess the difference(gap) will depends the most from your GPU and the resolution you playing........
I'm at 4k... Also looking for remote jobs so often older hardware is frowned upon... Oddly as I type this Amazon just dropped off my AIO!! Yeah I'm just seeing weird behavior with the gpu I have and minus gpu itself only answer is power supply or mobo/platform.
 

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Everything is here for my new 12700K build except for the energy required to do the needed case mod for the AIO then assemble & configure everything. The side effects of the cancer drugs have me seriously dragging ass again and I start more physical therapy Wednesday (that never turns out well for me, I'm close to 70 years old and the PT person is always less than half my age. I'm retired and have more than earned the right to be lazy if I feel like it when I want to. They don't have a clue as to why I regard them mostly as giant pains in the ass. If they make it to my age they'll understand though).

I did go get what I needed to make a rolling platform for the gigantic Cooler Master Cosmos II case this afternoon. Doing that wiped me out but following a nap I'll start on that this evening. After that and doing the case mods needed to externally mount the radiator and fans it should go together fairly quickly. I'll be putting Win 11 Pro on it to start with but have 10 LTSC on hand if 11 turns out to be the dud many claim it is.

My main X79 rig got a complete cleaning and new Seasonic Focus GX-850 PSU last weekend. I built that thing exactly 9 years ago and the only parts left from the original build are the case and motherboard. There's nothing left to upgrade on it now.
Get well soon and i will also pray for your health :)
Since you are already using X79 from 8 years. Just wanted to know how high does the ram speeds go ? Its official 2400mhz max supported on most of X79 motherboards. I am planning to ditch z97 and get a x79 as lga2011 still has more core count and enough juice to be squeezed. There are even 3200mhz ddr3 kits out there and this makes me wonder if what if x79 could reach that far as those dims are mostly supported on z87 and z97 through XMP.
 
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I'm at 4k... Also looking for remote jobs so often older hardware is frowned upon... Oddly as I type this Amazon just dropped off my AIO!! Yeah I'm just seeing weird behavior with the gpu I have and minus gpu itself only answer is power supply or mobo/platform.
Well really depends of the GPU you have but honestly even with the BEST GPU's at 4k I doubt you will be able to see any difference.........

Get well soon and i will also pray for your health :)
Since you are already using X79 from 8 years. Just wanted to know how high does the ram speeds go ? Its official 2400mhz max supported on most of X79 motherboards. I am planning to ditch z97 and get a x79 as lga2011 still has more core count and enough juice to be squeezed. There are even 3200mhz ddr3 kits out there and this makes me wonder if what if x79 could reach that far as those dims are mostly supported on z87 and z97 through XMP.
That ram is rare and expensive also depend is it going to work on all mobos&Xeons and after all I really doubt that will make any difference compared to the slower ddr3 ram or even if it does gains are probably going to be almost negligible.........
P.S.It's much better to get more ram for the price difference in my opinion after all don't forget on X79 you will have 8 slots to occupy
 
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Well really depends of the GPU you have but honestly even with the BEST GPU's at 4k I doubt you will be able to see any difference.........


That ram is rare and expensive also depend is it going to work on all mobos&Xeons and after all I really doubt that will make any difference compared to the slower ddr3 ram or even if it does gains are probably going to be almost negligible.........
Indeed those modules are rare and expensive but were offered by almost every ram manufacturer. These were rare because by the time they were kicking in, RAM was already transitioning from ddr3 to ddr4. Where skylake supported both ddr3 and ddr4 flavours the demand was already in favour of ddr4 desktop kits. Almost near to none were offering ddr3 compatibility but well known did produced some to get the wheels spinning.

G.SKILL which has the most world records also holds ddr3 world record by 4.4ghz which was dominated by YoungPro using asus maximus vi impact (z87)

The point is iv seen overclockers push ddr3 on z87 and z97 but i wanted to know upto what extend does x79 can push ddr3. Your critics were right as there would be hardly any noticable difference yet that is not the obvious reason for OCing.

As far as the support z87 and z97 already support max ddr3 speeds as compared to x79 which is advertised upto 2400mhz only. I wanted to know if someone pushed those limits or not.
 
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Indeed those modules are rare and expensive but were offered by almost every ram manufacturer. These were rare because by the time they were kicking in, RAM was already transitioning from ddr3 to ddr4. Where skylake supported both ddr3 and ddr4 flavours the demand was already in favour of ddr4 desktop kits. Almost near to none were offering ddr3 compatibility but well known did produced some to get the wheels spinning.

G.SKILL which has the most world records also holds ddr3 world record by 4.4ghz which was dominated by YoungPro using asus maximus vi impact (z87)

The point is iv seen overclockers push ddr3 on z87 and z97 but i wanted to know upto what extend does x79 can push ddr3. Your critics were right as there would be hardly any noticable difference yet that is not the obvious reason for OCing.
Well If is it just for curiosity or for some competitive reasons then sure you can go ahead an try it....as far as I know some people in here managed to push memory on 2133,2400 and beyond on good motherboards....'tho I never heard that anyone managed to get 3200Mhz.....so....If you decide....GL!!!
 
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Well If is it just for curiosity or for some competitive reasons then sure you can go ahead an try it....as far as I know some people in here managed to push memory on 2133,2400 and beyond on good motherboards....'tho I never heard that anyone managed to get 3200Mhz.....so....If you decide....GL!!!
I have a klevv memory single sided ram gets to 2800 easily on preset but 2900 is about it and my best performance is at 2666 mhz with micron double sided dimms.

Well really depends of the GPU you have but honestly even with the BEST GPU's at 4k I doubt you will be able to see any difference.........


That ram is rare and expensive also depend is it going to work on all mobos&Xeons and after all I really doubt that will make any difference compared to the slower ddr3 ram or even if it does gains are probably going to be almost negligible.........
P.S.It's much better to get more ram for the price difference in my opinion after all don't forget on X79 you will have 8 slots to occupy
Well it is a 6900xtx so best you can get in the red camp, and not far from best from Nvidia.
 
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Well it is a 6900xtx so best you can get in the red camp, and not far from best from Nvidia.
It will be really cool If you do complete benchmarking comparison test and post that in here but as I said when it comes to the gaming in 4K or even in 1440p I doubt you will be able to notice any difference the gains in FPS are going to be minimal or non existent....1080p is a different story 'tho I believe to benefit in that resolution with that powerful GPU you really need some high refresh rate monitor........
 

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Well If is it just for curiosity or for some competitive reasons then sure you can go ahead an try it....as far as I know some people in here managed to push memory on 2133,2400 and beyond on good motherboards....'tho I never heard that anyone managed to get 3200Mhz.....so....If you decide....GL!!!
Well im still perpendicular to this thread lol. Lets see. Iike wise I never OCed dims myself, used xmp upto 2400mhz though (G.skill ripjaws 2400mhz).
I have seen listings of 3000mhz but those modules are just 4gb single stick sold by various people of various brands compared to my 4x8gb kit.
I have seen people push memory beyond 3ghz on youtube but those dims already have 2933mhz or 3000mhz. Perhaps having a headroom to reach 3.2ghz level. Again Z87/Z97 was used and most of those boards advertise 3200mhz+ (oc). As far as X79 that only advertised upto 2400mhz.
If someone has pushed it further I want to try on mine with guidance.

I have a klevv memory single sided ram gets to 2800 easily on preset but 2900 is about it and my best performance is at 2666 mhz with micron double sided dimms.

Well thats exciting. Which motherboard was used ?
 
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I have an Asus Rampage iv black it's a great motherboard. Amazingly rock stable overclocker...

I'm tempted to find 3000+ mhz rated memory but might be platform or cpu limitation. Not sure my cpu memory controller will do much more under ambient temps....
 
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My new 12700K rig is around 90% completed. It's up and running with Win 11 Enterprise on it. All I have left to do is install a few internal fans then put the side panels back on the gargantuan Cooler Master Cosmos II case.

I'm trying to decide what to do with my second Sabertooth X79/ 1680 V2 setup. The mobo has the CPU in it and is sitting in in a drawer in my spare parts rack. I was going to use them to regut my Cosmos 1000 that's been running an ASRock X87 Extreme6/ 4790K setup for nearly a decade now. I have an Asus Z170 Maximus Hero with a 7700K in it sitting here that offers more functionality but not quad channel memory like the X79 has. I'll most likely keep the spare X79 setup stashed for spare parts in case anything dies in my main X79 rig that gets regular use. Then there are my two X99 Xeon rigs plus my Z390 Asus Maximus XI Hero WiFi/ 9900K that are all up and running perfectly. I'm actually out of space to put another complete system into use even though I have everything on hand to do it.

Anyway; best wishes to everybody for a safe, happy, prosperous 2022 and may our mutual computer addiction continue to be a point of friendship for all of us on the extreme fringes of this hobby.
Just reread this... Holy crap you have a lot of pcs and hardware!
 

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I can finally say, I've found one.....

IMG_20220124_170023.jpg IMG_20220124_170130.jpg

I really do hope it's a fairly good overclocker, I just need to figure out which board to try it in now!! :) Can't wait to try it out :D :D
 
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Benchmark Scores I've actually never benched it!! Too busy with WCG and FAH and not gaming! :( :( Not OC'd it!! :(
Ooooh nice remember you were on hunt for nice X79 stuff for awhile! Pop that puppy in and post us the results!
I'm hoping I've not over paid for it and it works lol :) Just have to remember to get the motherboard down from the loft and fire this bad boy up :) Got a few to test now :)
 
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I'm hoping I've not over paid for it and it works lol :) Just have to remember to get the motherboard down from the loft and fire this bad boy up :) Got a few to test now :)
A few?! Ooooooooh! Nice.

My new 12700K rig is around 90% completed. It's up and running with Win 11 Enterprise on it. All I have left to do is install a few internal fans then put the side panels back on the gargantuan Cooler Master Cosmos II case.

I'm trying to decide what to do with my second Sabertooth X79/ 1680 V2 setup. The mobo has the CPU in it and is sitting in in a drawer in my spare parts rack. I was going to use them to regut my Cosmos 1000 that's been running an ASRock X87 Extreme6/ 4790K setup for nearly a decade now. I have an Asus Z170 Maximus Hero with a 7700K in it sitting here that offers more functionality but not quad channel memory like the X79 has. I'll most likely keep the spare X79 setup stashed for spare parts in case anything dies in my main X79 rig that gets regular use. Then there are my two X99 Xeon rigs plus my Z390 Asus Maximus XI Hero WiFi/ 9900K that are all up and running perfectly. I'm actually out of space to put another complete system into use even though I have everything on hand to do it.

Anyway; best wishes to everybody for a safe, happy, prosperous 2022 and may our mutual computer addiction continue to be a point of friendship for all of us on the extreme fringes of this hobby.
Ok Bobby.... Phil is going with the thread hardware x79... Where's the screenshots and benchmarks etc of that 1700 pin 12700 system? My 12900 is coming soonish but had other things come first.
 
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